The Real Anthony Fauci Book Tour-A True Crime Journey

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The Real Anthony Fauci Book Tour – A True Crime Journey A readers’ adjunct to The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. In traditional publishing a book tour is arranged with the mainstream media for a coordinated splash that will generate high early sales. In this case since the MSM is owned by pharma the book tour footwork was an under the table affair of alternative commentators who would reach into the social media web space since there was an organized blackout forbidding mention of his book on MSM outlets. Joe Mercola, Tucker Carlson, Del Bigtree, James Corbett, and Catherine Fitts all had online conversations about the book and Bobby made a personal appearance before an audience at the Rand Paul Institute. As a public service the transcripts of those encounters are offered here.

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This is an organized collection of the leading book tour interviews in a transcribed searchable format and can be valuable to those who are limited by the neurological spasmodic dysphonia that affects the authors’ clarity of speech. It can also be used as a

readalong assist if you are listening. Listening is recommended to enhance the intake of this important information. Be forewarned this is not an academic transcription, it is designed to maintain the flow of a readers’ thoughts without annoying verbal hiccups that normally occur in conversational English.

Introduction Turning their backs to the foreboding horizon, trusting Americans manned the oars and blindly obeyed his commands—little realizing they were propelling our country toward the desolate destination where democracy goes to die. [from the book] “Dealing with Tony Fauci is like dealing with organized crime, He’s like the godfather. He has connections everywhere. He’s always got people that he’s giving money to in powerful positions to make sure he gets his way—that he gets what he wants. These connections give him the ultimate power to fix everything, control every narrative, escape all consequence, and sweep all the dirt and all the bodies under the carpet and to terrorize and destroy anyone who crosses him.” Jonathan M. Fishbein, MD, DAIDS whistleblower

This book is a true crime adventure of how the NIH godfather joined forces with moneyed sociopaths, the CIA spook pool and partnered with the Red Dragon to cancel the checks and balances that are supposed to protect us by declaring an elaborate fake “short term emergency” that grew and grew, a conspirituality of greedy damaged psyches seeking to gain power and money at any human price including the decimation of democracy. The death count so far is way higher than the casualties of the Korean War. “It’s nothing personal, it’s strictly business.”

Dr. Fauci doesn’t really do public health. By every metric, his fifty-year regime has been a catastrophe for American health. But as a businessman, his success has been boundless.

Chapter Content Review Gates had spent $10 billion on vaccines over the past two decades and I asked Gates, “You’ve figured out the return on investment for that and it kind of stunned me. Can you walk us through the math?” Gates responded: “We see a phenomenal track record . . . there’s been over a 20-to-1 return. So if you just looked at the economic benefits, that’s a pretty strong number.” [$10,000,000,000x20=$200,000,000,000, body count not included] While consensus may be an admirable political objective, it is the enemy of science and truth. The term “settled science” is an oxymoron. The admonishment that we should “trust the experts” is a trope of authoritarianism. Science is disruptive, irreverent, dynamic, rebellious, and democratic. Consensus and appeals to authority (be it CDC, WHO, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, or the Vatican) are features of religion, not science.

Chapter 1: Mismanaging a Pandemic A global chart illustrates that the U.S. was the worst managed I: Arbitrary Decrees: Science-Free Medicine II: Killing Hydroxychloroquine–An effective remedy used in China III: Ivermectin–Another safe and effective treatment IV: Remdesivir–A deadly patented poison sold as beneficial V: Final Solution: Vaccines or Bust–Pharma bucks come from patents Chapter 2: Pharma Profits over Public Health After the vaccines destroy health, pills are sold to restore it, kind of… Four historical chapters where Fauci cut his teeth on human victims Chapter 3: The HIV Pandemic Template for Pharma Profiteering Chapter 4: The Pandemic Template: AIDS and AZT

Chapter 5: The HIV Heresies Chapter 6: Burning The HIV Heretics

Chapter 7: Dr. Fauci, Mr. Hyde: NIAID’s Barbaric and Illegal Experiments on Children. The 1000+ bodies are under an astroturf tarp in New York Chapter 8: White Mischief: Dr. Fauci’s African Atrocities Chapter 9: The White Man’s Burden Chapter 10: More Harm Than Good–Quality statistical studies take years Chapter 11: Hyping Phony Epidemics: “Crying Wolf” –Fear is key to panic Chapter 12: Germ Games–Lots of practice with CIA help brings a polished and lasting coup d’etat

Discussions to expect: • The 50 year history of Tony Fauci at the National Institutes of Health and his collusion with Big Pharma that has derailed America's public health system. • Fauci’s routine procedure of ushering through the approval process remedies that are often more lethal than the diseases they pretend to treat. • How federal regulators’ systematic deception of the public during the pandemic amplified fears of Covid-19 and hiding the actual death and injury count from the vaccines with fake statistics. • Repurposed drugs were denigrated/forbidden that could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives but threatened the Emergency Use Authorization of lucrative drugs and vaccines. • Fauci sanctioned drug experiments on thousands of Black and Hispanic orphans.

• How Fauci’s windfall from the unproven theory that the virus HIV caused AIDS, and the hundreds of thousands of casualties resulted from his promoted drug AZT. • The Global South have been used as a dumping ground for drugs deemed too unsafe for the developed world and a testing ground for drugs not yet determined to be safe enough. • Fauci funded gain-of-function development of enhanced pathogens under the pretext of vaccine research.

None of the 78 childhood schedule vaccines have been time-tested to medical standards for safety and efficacy contrary to claims made by Anthony Fauci.

• Fauci and Gates' "germ games" involving governments, the military, health agencies, and the media in lockstep through simulations to mandate vaccines, lockdown society and coordinate the global dismantlement of democratic governance.

THE INTERVIEWS Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - The Real Anthony Fauci-Joe Mercola Interview https://odysee.com/@yellowgenius:0/%E2%80%9C

Joe: Most of you know, I wrote a book called The Truth About COVID 19. Best-selling book I've ever written that really helped expose the fraud of this pandemic. But now there's a new book, The Real Anthony Fauci, written by Bobby Kennedy. You will not believe the depth that this goes into with respect to identifying and the corruption and the fraud and the deception that's been going on for 50 years of effort. He funded more and was responsible for distributing more than $1,000,000,000,000 of taxpayer funding over those 50 years, essentially creating this cabal with the pharmaceutical companies. And he really is the major catalyst for it. And this is a 100% unbelievable must read books that you need to get and to convince you of that you're going to see highlights of what's in the book in the next hour as I discuss it with Bobby Kennedy. It's highly likely that this kind of a key points, that once this book is published, very shortly, and especially when the Republicans take over some of the House and such,

the investigations are going to show and he's likely going to resign in the not too distant future, largely as a result of what's exposed in this book. So you're definitely going to want to pick up the book and watch this interview. [Out take] Bobby: I have a picture that somebody got from a Freedom of Information request and it is a large mat and has graphed all of the pandemics that he had, pandemics he's tried during his career, all converging with a grand winner being Coronavirus. And he signed it. Somebody on his staff made it. Oh, what is Tony Fauci? Triumph winning March Madness. And it's basically a picture of his career and trying every three or four years a new fake pandemic and finally hitting on all eight cylinders with coronavirus. And it's like, it's a joke and we are the punchline. Everything in Tony Fauci's career is Ground Hog Day again and again he is repeating the same behavior, now it is paying off. And he has this way of talking, never really says anything. And his habit of lying and lying and lying. Seventy to ninety percent of COVID deaths and hospitalizations could have been prevented. And there are hundreds and hundreds of peer reviewed studies that support that. And yet he forbids people from doing it. And that really is a sociopath and shutting down a million businesses, is that really going to save lives? There's no study that indicated we would. We have 4.2% of the global population and we had 14.5% of the deaths. Why is anybody listening to this guy? There's no health minister in the world who has a worse track record than Tony Fauci.

Joe: Welcome, everyone. It's Dr. Mercola helping to take control of your health. And today we are joined by Bobby Kennedy, who really needs no introduction. If you've been following this space. It's been a real activist in promoting environmental issues, but also more recently with the vaccine issue. So we've both been a number one and number two in the misinformation dozen. And we both had the privilege of being censored by, actually banned from YouTube's platform for not breaking any rule except one they invented the day they banned us. We had no strikes, nothing, boom, they removed 20 years of my content, over 15 years, whatever it was, because we were in it from the beginning. I'm just really delighted that Bobby wrote the foreword to my book, which is The Truth about COVID, which did really, really well thanks to all the discrediting. But Bobby's got a new book coming out, The Real Anthony Fauci, and it is unbelievable. He's spent many, many hours really dedicateing a big portion of his life to doing the investigative journalism and pulling out the details. And this is a book you've got to get. So we're going to talk a little bit about it. But I can assure you, with the highest degree of

confidence that we could talk for hours and hours and hours and not cover even a fraction of what's in this book. It is a long book, detailed. It's one that's going to keep your attention and you'll really love and enjoy it. So I strongly recommend it. But we're going to touch on the highlights because we don't have a lot of time and we'll do the best we can. So welcome and thank you for joining us today.

Bobby: Thank you, Joe. Thanks. You know most of the time you do interviews with people who have not read the book. But I know we were sending a new chapter by chapter as I got it finished. You were the first one to read it, and you always realize it is a very long book. It's, I think, 2000 footnotes and 2000 references. And it's just a lot of a lot of detail. But it's a very devastating indictment of Tony Fauci and his career in the way that he has essentially made NIH an incubator and pharmaceutical products and sold the soul of our country for the pharmaceutical industry.

Joe: I don't know there's any better indictment against Fauci than the book you've written. I'm certain there's many articles, but a completely comprehensive, detailed, referenced, incredibly well referenced record of his history of decimating human health, in spite of his charade of being a charlatan, as being this ostensible public health dogooder that's out to save humanity. He's doing the exact opposite. So there's so many places where you can start. I'll let you pick where you want so we can go into it. And I particularly enjoyed the context you put them in comparing them to the Rockefeller and putting that all in because Rockefeller kind of started this over a century ago and Fauci is picking up where he left off.

Bobby: Yeah, It basically is his oil interests had made him the richest person in world history. He's still the richest person in world history. If you look at his wealth compared to everybody else who lived on the planet at that time, he owned 80% of the oil production on the planet. And they realize at one point that. Pharmaceutical products could be synthesized from the byproducts of their process. His father, John D. Rockefeller, I guess you could call it a medicine show.

Joe: Yeah. The true snake oil salesman.

Bobby: Who actually selling literally snake oil and a lot of opium based products and alcohol based products that allowed people to drink, to get drunk, to get high on medicine. And John said that he can make them and they may go across the country and look at all the medical schools. And at that time, about half the medical schools in the country were integrative medicine that favored homeopathy, a lot of herbs and traditional medicine. It was really an American science and I'm sure there were lots of problems with medicine in every kind of medicine. I'm not sure there were excellent. He went across the country and did a report that said that everything should be based on pharmaceutical products, on the kind of products that were being made by his partners. He had huge stakes in pharmaceutical companies and they transformed all of them. They got rid of all of those schools, of chiropractors, for osteopaths, naturopaths, homeopaths, integrated, all medical schools. And the pharmaceutical paradigm did that at the same time in China. And the name is still very, very big in China. I think he started 12 medical schools or hospitals in China and tried to transfer traditional Chinese medicine and get the Chinese do adopt the pharmaceutical paradigm. And in many ways, as I show in the book, Bill Gates and Tony Fauci are the apogee of that trajectory. And Bill Gates summons Tony Fauci to his Seattle Washington mansion on the banks of Lake Washington in the year 2008 into his library for a private meeting and said I want to be partners with you. And their partnership was an agreement to vaccinate the entire population of the world with a battery of new vaccines. And they called the in 2009 they rebranded their partnership the Decade of the Vaccine. And the objective of that crusade was to have mandatory vaccination for every adult and child on the planet by the year 2020. And I show how they use these pandemic simulations working with the very, very closely with the intelligence agencies, with the social media companies, with the with the big media companies, and with the major pharmaceutical companies. And when Gates calls what he does, philanthropy capitalism, it's a way that you can use philanthropy to make money. Oh, he had a foundation that is where he has sheltered $50 billion of taxable money. And he continues to have absolute control over it. And he uses that money to gain control of the public health agencies in our country, the W.H.O.. He's created a lot of this with Fauci, a lot of these quasi governmental agencies that people think are governmental. They're actually front groups of the pharmaceutical industry like GAVI [Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations] and CEPI and Collaboration. And he uses this battery and his control of W.H.O. to set pharmaceutical or medical policy, public health policy around the globe in a way that maximizes the profits from his stakeholding in these big pharmaceutical companies also in a very minor way. He's simultaneously doing the same thing to control the global food supply and GMO crops and huge investments in Cargill and Monsanto, processed foods like Kraft, McDonalds, Coca-Cola. He is the

biggest investor and really trying to change public health and food policies in ways that benefit corporations that he's invested in and partnered with.

Joe: Yeah, so thank you for summarizing that. But the book goes into far more detail with respect to the history of Fauci, because he just didn't turn evil when he met Gates. He had a three decade history prior to Gates, and you document that quite extensively, especially with the HIV. I mean, this is no mystery. This is this is essentially a repeat button, replay button that he's done with HIV. What he's doing here, it's just a bigger scale. So why don't you discuss that? Because if you know that history, it's no surprise.

Bobby: He had just taken over the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and at that time, AIDS hit at 1981 cases and all of that, because the first signal of AIDS was Kaposi sarcoma, which was a type of skin cancer that afflicted gay man. The project when the whole AIDS program went to the National Institute to be separate entities inside of HHS. And when Robert Gallo went in 1983 and looked on together, said, wait a minute, this may be caused by a virus, an HIV virus, because originally everybody believed it was caused by poppers and by the use of these psychotropic drugs. A methadone, heroin, LSD and other drugs, particularly poppers, were part of the gay party scene after Stonewall and all of the people, the original people diagnosed every one of them was a very, very extensive operation. So the original assumption was that this was a chemical problem and it had a chemical etiology. And when look at Aaron and we found that virus and many of the people have AIDS. I think there were 47% of them. And that was an opportunity for Tony Fauci, because he was able to have a battle with National Cancer Institute and say “this is a viral disease, therefore it's an infectious disease and it's under my jurisdiction”. And he was able to win that program away. The same year that billions of dollars began flowing into HIV. And he had to create the agency really from the ground up. The way that he did it was to partner with Glaxo, Welcome company, which made AZT. AZT was a chemotherapy formulation that was so toxic it killed all the rats they gave it to. The inventor basically felt that it was unsafe for any human use. And he didn't even patent it. And very early on, the National Cancer Institute found out that when you put AZT in a culture of HIV, that it kills HIV. Not surprisingly, it killed anything it touched. And so Tony Fauci partnered with us literally. He became a partner. And we guided that formulation through the rules of the regulatory process. And he got a very, very fast track. He cheated terribly on the clinical trials. The clinical trials. It was killing everybody. It literally kills everybody who takes it. But he was able to keep the people in the treatment group alive by giving them huge numbers of transfusions and

blood transfusions to just keep them alive for the eight weeks of that trial continuing. And based upon that eight week trial, he got approval. It was unprecedented in that with any chemotherapy, you're supposed to get somebody for two weeks. And chemotherapy is designed to kill every cell in your body. But hopefully it kills tumor cells first and you can take the person off it. The tumor dies in time or right. And the person doesn't die. If you put somebody on that, a life like Tony doing, every one of them is going to die. And that's what happened. And meanwhile, there were a lot of drugs at that time that were repurposed medications like aerosol pentamidine, many, many, many others, that local community based doctors. And this is going to or treating the AIDS community, we're finding that these drugs treat the symptoms of AIDS and they stopped people dying. Tony Fauci made a deliberate crusade to sabotage those drugs. They were not available to sick people in order to make sure that it would be the only solution. And AZT was the most expensive in history. It was $10,000 for a one year dose. And Burroughs Wellcome, which later became GlaxoSmithKline, doubled in size because of that. And Tony Fauci basically created this template that he would then use over the next 45 years to develop drug after drug is toxic or toxic to kill repurpose medications, to kill early treatment and kill any protocol that competed with his pharmaceutical enterprise. And a lot of people have died.

Joe: Yeah, well, it's more than a lot. It's 330,000 people dead from AZT alone. That's what you wrote in the book. And additionally, the cost of that drug is the analogies of similarities between that scenario and what's happening today are almost identical. Fauci discouraged the use of the drugs, as you mentioned, specifically wants to treat not just the Kaposi sarcoma, but also pneumocystis corona pneumonia, where a simple drugs like Bactrim would work really well. But they discouraged it and they were inexpensive and relatively non-toxic. But it's a similar to the way he's discouraging Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. But the cost is the thing that $10,000 for a treatment for that drug for AZT. It cost them $5, $5. And my guess is that I don't recall reading the book, and you may know is that the research that supported, the development of that drug was probably paid for by the US taxpayer.

Bobby: The entire development of drug was financed through the National Cancer Institute. At one point, the CEO of Glaxo wrote an editorial because people were in the gay community saying, Why is this $10,000 when it's only $5 for them to develop those, $10,000? He wrote this very, very self-congratulatory editorial in The New York Times, the usual stuff, the pharmaceutical industry says it's outrageous prices, which is we've

spent hundreds of thousands of dollars developing these drugs, that it's a crapshoot and many of them don't work and it's hard to get approval. Well, the director then of NCI published a letter to the editor saying, “wait a minute, here's what the taxpayer paid for, everything and Burroughs Wellcome did nothing. And not only that, Burroughs Wellcome would not even test the drug because it was terrified of handling HIV. It told people at HHS that the government agency do not send any samples over to you, do it yourself. So the taxpayer paid for everything and Burroughs Wellcome all they did because of Tony Fauci. All they did was tag him and they killed a huge, huge number of people.

Joe: Yeah. And he's upped his game. So third of a million people. I can do better than that because he repeated the same damn behavior with the vaccines for the jabs for COVID, which essentially it's the same scenario that is taxpayer funded research. And I believe the last projections I saw are an estimate of $100 billion in profits from those jabs in one year. And this is going to be a semi-annual every six month booster requirement. But and no liability, zero liability. Bobby: Of course, as a subsidy. But and I have another chapter that basically is the same thing. It's all about everything. And it is Groundhog Day again and again and again. He is repeating the same behavior now it is paying off. And he has this avuncular manner. And this way of talking where he never really says anything. And this habit of lying and lying and lying, but people believe him because… people call him Tony. You can’t miss the big mistake after mistake. I knew a lot about the inside of what happened during the HIV crisis, because my uncle, Teddy Kennedy, was chair of a health committee at that time. And I and Teddy was the first presidential candidate to court the gay vote. And so we were and I was running part of his campaign at that time. And I campaigned in the Castro with Teddy, the first presidential candidate ever to go into the Castro. And part of our shake hands, make speeches, do stump speeches and say and invite the gay community into mainstream American life. And when he in the House committee, his primary concern for most of the time was AIDS. He recruited the first openly gay chief of staff, Terry Burton, and the first staff member on Capitol Hill for a decade openly had HIV. And he ran it. And they were in constant odds with Tony Fauci trying to get him to use repurposed medicines. And I talk about this in my book. And finally, Tony Fauci was called In front of Congress and was just made… And there is there's a dialogue of what Nancy Pelosi was one of the people who when Henry Waxman and all of these well-known Democratic congressmen who are saying, what the hell are you doing? No, you you've produced nothing. You're totally incompetent. And and after that, his career was over. And he decided at that point, I'm going to work on the AIDS, on getting these repurposed products on the market. And he did that for a couple of years. And he had a project which was a dual track project where they could

without going through the clinical project and FDA with clinical trials and FDA randomized placebo controlled trials. They could get approval for these drugs so that people can get insurance for them and pay for them. Any Fauci named that after Terry Byrne, my uncle's aide. So I was sort of deeply involved in this for many, many years and I've known Tony for a long time and I have insights on who he really is that most liberal Democrats are utterly ignorant of. They look at him, they think he's the savior. He was his steady hand during the chaotic Trump administration who is pro-science, and he is the opposite of everything they believe. He is the architect who turned our public health system over to the pharmaceutical industry. When Tony Fauci came to office in 1968, the chronic disease rate in American children was 6%. By 2006, it was 54%. He does not do public health, and there is no metric at NIH where they look and they say we are improving public health. The only metric they have is how many vaccines that we give? And how many pharmaceutical drugs have we sold? How much of that money are we getting back into the agency? And as I explained in the book, this agency has become an incubator for the pharmaceutical industry. Tony Fauci does with that $6.1 billion budget that he gets from the taxpayer and then another 1.6 from the military to do bioweapons research, which is where most 68% of his salary comes from, weapons research. And that's why he had to do that gain of function shenanigans and he had to do it because he had to hold on to his salary and his salary. Most of his salary comes from the military and from bioweapons research. But the rest of that money, Congress intended him to study American health and to improve it, to try to eliminate infections, allergic diseases, and autoimmune diseases. But instead under his watch, the chronic disease exploded. And he controlled between him and Gates and Wellcome Trust, which is the UK version of the Gates Foundation. They can, by the way, Wellcome Trust is the stock portfolio of Burroughs Wellcome, the company that made AZT, is now GlaxoSmithKline. And between those three entities and they all work in tandem. They talk to each other constantly. They're all friends, deep personal confederates or cronies. I would say they control 63% of the biomedical research on Earth. The fact is they really control all of it because not only did they fund it, but they have the capacity to cut off funding. If there somebody who wants to do then Tony Fauci is supposed to listen. And you're in my generation, Joe. The autism rate is one in 10,000. You will never meet a 67 year-old man with a football helmet, with diapers, toilet trained, nonverbal, head banging, stimming on autism. I've never seen somebody like that my age. And like his generation, one in 22 boys looks like that. Why did that happen? When Congress said to the EPA tell us what year the autism epidemic began? EPA said It's our red line. 1989. Something happened at 1989 that brought us food allergy, peanut allergy, Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy, ticks, ADHD, ADHD speech delay rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases, juvenile diabetes, all of them an epidemic beginning around

1989. Tony Fauci’s job is to say, “why did that happen?” It has to be an environmental toxin. Genes don't cause epidemics and they provide the vulnerability, but they cannot cause an epidemic. You need an environmental toxin. All we have to do is figure out which one started in ‘89 and became ubiquitous the same year. Tony Fauci, if anybody tries to do that study, your career will be ruined. And we know what it has to be. It has to be either the vaccines which exploded in 89 and by the way, every one of those 170 chronic diseases, an epidemic beginning in 1998, and it's listed as a side effect on the manufacturers insert of those vaccines. So that's a prime suspect. There's other things that happened. Glyphosate happened and became ubiquitous.

Joe: But most of that was mostly in the nineties.

Bobby: Glyphosate was very real. It started in ‘73, though. They got a small amount of marketing, but it was small when they got huge in 93, when they invented Roundup Ready Corn and put on everything when they began doing the genetic manipulation. Neonicotinoid pesticides. Cell phones.

Joe: Well, cell phones really wasn't that…

Bobby: That wasn't what the…

Joe: Smartphone was 2010. But what the key thing the key year is in 1986 when they passed the Child Adverse Reaction Liability Act that allowed them immunity against prosecution.

Bobby: Exactly. And that's why in 89, the vaccine schedule exploded because now absolute gold rush. But it was also you also have ultrasound which had at the same timeline, PFOA, which are flame retardants in our kids are swimming around in a toxic suit and it could be all of those things could be one or another. But it's easy to find out. You just do the science and that science is easy to do, but it will never be done as long as Tony Fauci is in office because he doesn't want us to know, because those are the industries he has survived by protecting.

Joe: Yeah. And then in your book, you cite a statistic that I've just been astonished with and many of the interviews I've done since I read that I included and put a plug for your book in because you say that at the time it was $930 billion with a B that he's been responsible for distributing through the NIAID. I'm sure it's over. It's over $1 trillion now, one trillion dollars.

Bobby: As I said beginning in 2000 when we had the anthrax attacks, we signed a biological weapons treaty and chemical weapons treaty in ‘72. And the Pentagon was not allowed to do biological weapons research. But after the anthrax attacks, they wanted to do it very badly, but they didn't want to do it from the Pentagon because it would look like weapons research. But there was a loophole in the treaty that said if you're doing dual use research, in other words, you're doing research to develop biological weapons, but they also could be applicable to developing vaccines. Then you can do it. So they were reluctant to do it in the Pentagon, but they began funneling all the money to Tony Fauci to do it. And he really became part of the military at that point. And he began doing this bioweapons research, and they gave him a 68% raise. Because of his authority over the bioweapons research. And because of that, they give him $1.7 billion a year. And so to hold on to that funding stream, to hold onto his salary, he has got to do gain of function. Gain of function has never provided a single scientific or medical development that has assisted us in responding to pandemics, not one. And as Fauci continues to do it, because it is critical to accelerate and it's critical to that funding stream that it continues to do that. And that funding stream from BARDA and from the Pentagon.

Joe: Well, it would sound like a lot of money. And he is the most highly, paid federal employee, I believe, far ahead of the president.

Bobby: He gets $437,000 a year. The president was the next man is 400.

Joe: Yeah. So he's the highest paid federal employee. But to me, that seems a relatively small amount when you consider the other dollar values involved, because there's patents and there's I mean, when you're stripping $1,000,000,000,000, all you need is a small fraction of that. And he's a smart guy. One thing you cannot take away from him is that he's an incredible politician and he's really smart and clever. You

certainly question his ethics and integrity, but it seems to me, he is smart enough to figure out how to hide this. So he may get the $400,000, maybe a small fraction of what he's really earning every year.

Bobby: Well I was not able to find any money he is getting outside of that now. He's got millions of dollars in awards. Oh, the Israeli government gave him I think $1,000,000. And so he has a lot of other funding. But I think it's important to understand that most people like that, like him, they're not really interested in currency. Nobody really cares about how much cash money you have. They really like money because they want power. And his agency gets the money from the patents. We know he has one, at least one, patent on interferon and that information is almost impossible to get. But that patent gives him about $150,000 a year. He's playing for a long time at it and he gives money to charity, but nobody knows what charity he gives it to. And, of course, the press never asks him anything and he never says. But what he does is he's allowed to do,

[A corrupt drug approval process] Let me tell you how important he is to the pharmaceutical industry. Between 2009 and 2016, there are about 230 drugs approved by FDA, all of which came out of his shop. And so he is an incubator for pharma. And here's what he does. In his lab he has petri dishes filled with every virus, hanta virus, dengue virus, coxsackie virus, Ebola, flu, corona virus.

Bobby: And his scientists are messing around with different molecules and different poisons and they'll drop those poisons into a petri dish and see if it kills the culture. If it kills the culture and he has a potential antiviral drug. So the next step is they give it to rats and see if it kills the rats. And if most of the rats survive, now you have a potential antiviral that may work in humans. So then he farms it out to a big university. Now the university is the person that goes to it. The university is usually a very powerful person at the university like the dean of the medical school or the chair of one of the departments, and they run the clinical trials, which is extremely lucrative. They will do the phase one trial there, and they'll recruit maybe 100 people for the Phase one trial. Fauci gives that P.I., that principal investigator maybe $1,000 per recruit. The university skims off 50 to 75% of that. So now the university is now hooked into the system. Then if it works in phase one and phase two, that they have to bring in big groups of people, 10,000 people, and you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and they have to

bring in a pharmaceutical company and now take control of about half the patent. Tony Fauci’s agency keeps a share of the patent and they can now collect royalties on Moderna vaccine. They get half the royalties and they're getting billions of dollars. And the university researcher keeps some of the patents. So he is now permanently attached to Tony Fauci and will do anything that he says. And the university itself is getting some of that patent. So it's hundreds of millions of dollars that are going to these universities every year in addition to the grants he's giving. And he can cut all that off. If somebody at the university does the wrong study. So and then it has to go back and go through once it goes phase three, it goes to FDA. And he says those are independent scientists at FDA. A panel is called Vrbpac and they're not people who work for FDA. They're outside or abroad. And where they brought in from their Tony Fauci's PI's from all the other universities who are working on his other projects, and they're brought in to rubber stamp whatever drug is coming from Baylor University that week. And they and give it the give it a license because they know that next year their drug is going to be in front of that committee and they are going to want the committee rubber stamped. So that committee never says no. It always greenlights everything. And it's completely controlled by Fauci. He controls the whole process.

Joe: And I just want to sorry for interrupting, but we just have a classic illustration of what you just shared in that this week, that very committee, 17 to 0, unanimously approved the COVID jab for 5 to 11 year-olds. And you've written some brilliant articles on it this week, and I thank you for doing it, exposing the truth of this nonsense implementation and approval and recommendation for approval.

Bobby: And if you look at the pedigrees, those people who sit on the committee. You will see that they have conflicts of interest. They are accepting money from the pharmaceutical companies. They are accepting money from [?] Congress in one report that said 97% of them are getting money from pharmaceutical companies whose products they are approving. They are getting money from NIH that are getting money from Gates. And they're completely bought and owned. And they're not independent scientists. All these are the same people you see on CNN every night. Peter Hotez, Paul Offit, Arthur Caplan, Stanley Perlman, all of these people who are supposed to be experts or independent experts, They're not independent experts. Every expert you see on CNN is on Tony Fauci’s payroll. And CNN will never tell you that. It will say this is an independent virologists, an immunologist at Baylor University or Stanford or Harvard, and they're not

telling you where that bread is being buttered and that the person is buttering it is Tony Fauci with your taxpayer dollars. The whole system is just fixed. And people in this country feel there's a certain group of 33% of the people in this country who are very angry. And the reason they're angry is not because they have to wear masks, and it's not even because they have to get vaccines. It's because they feel they're being manipulated, lied to. Their democracy has been subverted and it's been stolen from them. --Joe: So thank you for sharing that. And this within the last few weeks, there's been your book, you started writing a while ago, certainly last year, but it's emerging. All these lies are coming out. There's a significant portion of the alternative media, at least, that's calling for Fauci’s resignation because of his lying, he is just caught. And all these things that the lab origin theory that he was promoting and his double takes and continually shifting the goalposts. So I'm wondering what your perspective on this is because you've done such a deep dive. What do you think the likelihood of his resigning? Is it probably close to impossible?

Bobby: No, I think it's 100% he’ll resign. I think after my book comes out, what's going to happen is I think for better or for worse, the Republicans are going to take control of the Senate in November and you're going to have hearings. And as soon as you have those hearings, he's going to resign because he cannot he cannot survive at this point with everything people know, with all the lies that have caught up with him, he's not going to be able to endure public hearing. And so I think he's going to become such a liability so quickly. And all of this stuff that comes out now that really probably should not be as significant. It is, but it pulls on people's heartstrings and. I take back what I said because I'm talking about it again, about the horrible, sadistic experiments on animals, the taking of scalps of a fully formed human fetuses and stitching them to rats so that they get to humanized rats that won't reject them, won't produce antibodies as the fetus begins to grow as the fur of the rat so that they can test shampoos and see if they make you itch or cause sores or whatever. And being okay with one of these experiments and there's many and they did a monkey and other animals too, but there are 14 healthy beagle puppies. They severed their vocal cords so that they wouldn't the scientists wouldn't have to listen to their agonized barking. And Tony Fauci put $450,000 of U.S. taxpayer money into this experiment. And then they put the beagles for 96 days, they put a cage over top of their head, like a netting over top of their and a box that's filled with carnivorous flies that eat their faces off over 96 days and the animals then euthanized after this miserable existence.

You wouldn't do that to any sentient being on the planet. Nobody, nobody who was not a sadist and had a soul would allow that experiment to happen. And yet Tony Fauci deemed that the best use for $450,000 of US taxpayer money with all of the screaming needs in public health, all of the people who are suffering, all of the people who are dying, all the people have no access to health care because they can't afford it. And he made a decision that the best use of that money and, it's not just $450,000, millions and millions and millions that he put into these sadistic experiments were torturing animals to death.

Like you'd see in a schoolyard with little boys who don't who don't know any better and need to be told. You don't do that to another creature. And Tony Fauci doesn't have that instinct. It is lacking. It's a kind of sociopathy. And we see that it explains what he done during COVID where denying early treatment to millions of Americans who are sick and forcing them to suffer and die in their homes or on ventilators and Remdesivir, which is a deadly toxic drug in hospitals, rather than get treated and be healthy. And punishing, silencing, censoring, these types of things and discrediting any doctor who tries to say, wait a minute, I've been treating patients and my patients aren't dying because I'm using not just hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, but an entire battery of repurposed drugs that we now know treat virtually all COVID cases. Seventy to 90% of COVID deaths and hospitalizations could have been prevented. And there are hundreds and hundreds of peer reviewed studies that support that and yet he forbids people from doing it. That's really that is a sociopath.

Joe: Yes, there's no question. And in addition to the drugs, of course, there are nutrients that we know that make big benefit like vitamin D and zinc.

Bobby: And during the beginning of the pandemic, he said that, he said, “What are you doing? You’re not taking vitamin D” he said. But did he ever tell the American public to take vitamin D? The other half is conversation. Saying you've got to lose weight. The people who are going to die are people who are overweight. You've got to get sunlight. You've got to get outdoors. You got minimize stress in your lives. And we have to take care of each other. We have to quarantine people who are sick and show them the best care possible. And no, he had no empathy and shutting down a million businesses. Is that really going to save lives? There's no study that indicated it would, and there's certainly no indicator, As I point out in the book he has the worst win/loss record of any country in the world. We have 4.2% of the global population and we had 14.5% of the deaths. Why is anybody listening to this guy? There's no health minister in the world

who has a worse track record than Tony Fauci. There's countries in the world, many countries that had 1/100 of our death rate per million population. And guess what? Those are mainly the African countries and Asian countries that, as a matter of course, are giving Ivermectin for river blindness and giving hydroxychloroquine for malaria control.

Joe: And they're not obese. They're not obese or eating Western foods. And now they have sun exposure. So I'm just delighted to hear that you're convinced that he's going to be forced to resign. Could be a good result partially of your book. But I see the decimation he's imposed upon this country with his policies. It's surprising that that won't be appreciated, but will likely get him terminated. His involvement in this this animal research that you just described, that that's probably going to be his death because people will not tolerate that. And it seems that you just can't get around that. You can't deny it..

Bobby: But also, Joe, in my book I do a chapter on those animal studies in that same chapter, which is called Dr. Fauci. Mr. Hyde.

Joe: Great title. Great title.

Bobby: I tell there much more of the story, which is the experiments that he was done doing on blacks and Hispanics. We know at least 85 children died. And what he did is he arranged for the foster care programs in New York and six other states to be turned over to the pharmaceutical companies to test his new chemotherapy drugs for AIDS, for HIV they were testing. They wanted to test them on children to open a new market, and they wanted to do tests on maternal transmission. It couldn't do maternal transmission in this country, except for a few black people in Tennessee and elsewhere. And I tell the story of one of those black moms who were killed, who probably didn't even have HIV who and then they lied, the entire staff lied to her and her family for years until an AP reporter got their internal emails and showed that they knew that their drug killed her and they were denying her compensation and blaming it on the HIV. At the same time, they were doing these studies at an Asian foster home in New York City, and these children had no guardians. It was illegal to do studies. To do clinical trials on children you need to have a guardian appointed who puts their interest first, ahead of the drug companies.

Fauci didn't want that so he allowed these studies to go forward without a legal guardian for any of these children. So they had no parent watching out for them. The people who worked in Incarnation House were not doctors or nurses, so there were no medical professionals. They were mainly Dominican immigrants who were deeply compassionate, who discovered in the middle that they were actually being hired to treat these children as guinea pigs, and they were killing huge numbers of them. Many of the kids didn't even have HIV, so they had no possible benefit from the drug, which is illegal. And Fauchi got away with it. Ultimately, there was a congressional investigation for a brief time, but like everything, I guess, narrative, it kind of peters out. But the record is worse. Many of these children, the BBC did a documentary on these kids back in 2004 called Guinea Pig Kids. And they interviewed these children, a nine year old kid or a 12 year old kid, who said, “I took the drugs. They made me feel sick. I was vomiting, I couldn't eat. I was tired all the time. It was painful and I refused to take it.” And when you refuse, they sent you down to another of Tony Fauci's P.I.s at Columbia Presbyterian, who had them install a feeding tube to force feed these children these toxic chemotherapy drugs that they refused to take. And so you have a scene where one little kid is mourning like a 12 year old is warning a nine year old. “You've got to do it. You've got to take it,” to the kid that doesn't want it. “Take it, you got it, take it or they'll put in a feeding tube like they did to me and those kids.” And Celia Farber was really a brilliant researcher on my book, really helped me. She did an article. Also she went up and found the cemetery in Hawthorne, New York where they were disposing of all the bodies. And it's called Gates of Heaven cemetery. There's a big pit with an Astroturf carpet on top of it and inside the pit when you left the carpet, there were hundreds of tiny little coffins just piled haphazardly. And there is a list of all the kids and there was like maybe 1000 people on that list, children. Children don't die, it's very rare for a child to die. And this is like an assembly line of death. And she was able to find a number of those specific names from specific Tony Fauci experiments that were on that monument list. Anyway, it is a horrific story. It's as bad as people get. Is what he did to these black and Hispanic children is even worse. And the next chapter in my book, which is called White Man's Burden, shows that when he wanted to open another market for these toxic chemotherapy drugs of maternal age, showing that women who had AIDS and/or pregnant that he had a drug that would block transmission to their child, their unborn child. You couldn't do those kind of experiments in this country because you're causing so many by giving pregnant women the most toxic compounds known to man, compounds that are designed to kill DNA and human cellular structures. It's not a good thing when you give them to pregnant women. And so they went to Africa to do these experiments and the mayhem and the carnage and the death and the cover ups and the corruption that they employed that finally came to light and I show how Fauci when

people should have gone to jail. And how he managed to manipulate President Bush into cooperating with his coverup. Bush didn't know what he was doing, but Fauci was an expert on technocratic manipulation of the president, which has come in handy again and again, again to bail them out of these criminal activities.

Joe: Well, I'm just delighted to hear that he's not likely going to continue in disgrace. So after exposing and uncovering and sharing some of the highlights and believe me, folks, there's much more in this. And if you aren't inspired to read this book from what Bobby just shared, then I don't know. I have second thoughts, but I'm just curious where you would place the biggest sins or evil that he's done. Is it some of the any of the ones you previously described or another one in the book? Or would you place it at what he's done with this pandemic? Bobby: Yeah, I think this is the culmination of his career. And he's been building what I…. I have a chapter called Pandemic. Infectious disease mortality simply stopped happening in our country in the second half of the 20th century. Because of nutrition, sanitation, hygiene people are still getting measles, but it was a rash. It was subclinical and mumps and chickenpox and all these diseases that had taken life earlier in history. They simply stop killing people by the 1960s. And infectious diseases became such a low, low priority that these agencies were really endangered. In fact, in the Reagan administration, they were going to abolish CDC because there was no infectious disease mortalities anymore. And so you had internal discussion where they keep saying, we need a pandemic to scare people, we need a Spanish flu pandemic. And Fauci tried their first fake one in ’76 and the they ended up administering 40 million vaccines. And they had an epidemic. And the pandemic, in fact, was a swine flu pandemic that ended up killing a total globally from this pandemic, the entire global death rate was one person, a soldier from Fort Dix. That was it. And yet they made it a global panic and they put billions of dollars into these companies. That's where they invented the free vaccines during that pandemic. Now is the first time they ever did it. Then 47 people died and they said, oh my God, we've killed 47 people and they pulled it.

Joe: 47 people, 47 people.

Bobby: Now, we've dealt with this in one year, 70,000 men, minimum men. Most never reported. So then they did it again in 81. The next one was the bird flu pandemic in 2007. Jeremy Farrar was the head of the Wellcome Trust and was a collaborator with

Fauci in concealing gain of function linked to rotavirus. It was the first call that he made after he realized. Oh, we probably created a virus and we’ve got to hide that with Jeremy Farrar over the next six weeks. We now have e-mails of how he was manipulating the W.H.O. and creating all of these phony articles for The Lancet, Nature, which create an orthodoxy that says anybody who mentions functional studies is a conspiracy theorist. And that held for two years. Now it's beginning to break down. He was the guy who he found a doctor in Vietnam. He is a biologist living off of the Wellcome Trust money and working with the Chinese. And he found a girl got sick after her duck had died. And then was for some reason the duck was unburied. And that story became bird flu. Now, bird flu is really dangerous. Bird flu, when it gets into humans can kill 50% of the people it gets into. But it's not transmissible. It's very, very hard to be transmissible, but theoretically, if you have a bird flu that became transmissible, they put it that way. So this was the thing they were all waiting for and hoping for. And I sound like I’m being cynical, say, but when you read my book, you'll see they were all hoping for it. And so Jeremy Farrar said, “Here it is.” And they went crazy again. They gave a liability shield to the pharmaceutical industry, they pumped billions of dollars into these new drugs. They forced everybody to take their vaccine. And it turned out to be, I think, maybe two or 300 people around the world died of it. It turned out to be a fake pandemic. Joe: Yeah, but President Bush projected 2 million deaths. Bobby: That’s what Fauci mentioned at his presidential show. And then in 2009, they do another swine flu epidemic. And again, it turns out to be a complete fraud, utter fraud and a big scandal because W.H.O. forced all of these developing nations and European agencies to sign sleeper contracts that required them to buy a whole bunch of vaccines from GlaxoSmithKline if W.H.O. ever declared a full-on pandemic. And they changed the definition of pandemic so there didn't have to be any deaths. You can have a pandemic that was just a case of no deaths, nobody dying. And that's what they did. And it turned out to be huge [fake]. And the vaccines may cause major neurological damage all over the world. And they had to do it again. And that was a fake pandemic and that was just a lie of Tony Fauci making a big scare with Ebola. And now that Corona virus and all the lessons they learned from all the other fake pandemic called corona virus. And I want to make clear, I'm not saying that coronavirus is not a pandemic and kill a lot of people. It does. But we've all been manipulated by and exaggerated cases that an obscuring of the data, all of the manipulations that they've done to us, which everybody already knows about. But at the end of that chapter. I made a picture that somebody got from a Freedom of Information request, and it is a March Madness graph of all of the all of the different pandemics he's tried during his career all converging with a grand winner being

coronavirus. And he signed it. Somebody on his staff made it, Tony Fauci's triumph winning March Madness. And it shows what is basically a picture of his career and trying every three or four years a new fake pandemic and finally hitting on all eight cylinders with coronavirus. And it's like it's a joke. That's the punch line. And we are the punch line.

Joe: Well, I can't thank you enough for doing the hard work. And I want to emphasize that word hard and diligent work and discipline that it took to commit to the many hours. I mean, I know personally you've had to cancel some meetings that we had because you have the book deadlines. So it's there. It's a wonderful book. Now I want to encourage everyone to pick up a copy of this because there's a threat. The threat is [something] you read about on my site before Senator Elizabeth Warren issued a letter to the CEO of Amazon to ban my book, to burn my book, The Truth about COVID 19 along with several other congressmen. So she may do the same thing for this book, but hopefully she won't, because this week, you and I and my publisher, Chelsea Green, filed a lawsuit against Elizabeth Warren for an injunction to prevent it from doing this in the future, so she will not impact your book.

Bobby: There's actually really good case law on this. The law in this country says that in the First Amendment. Under the First Amendment, Facebook has absolute right to censor. It’s a private, essentially a printing press, and they can put what they want on and they can invite their own guests and they can exclude guests. They don't have to give any reason. But. when the government tells them to censor, then it becomes illegal. And that's all the state actor theory, because a private company can censor you, but the government cannot. And if it appears that the government is censoring you, that's illegal. And so I'm suing Facebook on that issue in the Ninth Circuit. Now that we're going to go to that, I'm sure that will end up in the Supreme Court. If they grant us this other this other issue, I think the case law, our case that Joe and I have against Elizabeth Warren is even stronger because here is a powerful public official who is ordering a private corporation which is largely dependent on federal regulatory policies and federal largess has to censor people who disagree with her political position. And that that's why we had the revolution against England. We said the king should not be able to silence people and his ministers should not be able to silence people, and members of parliament should not be able to silence their political opponents. I think Elizabeth Warren's position on this is really frightening because I don't even understand how a Liberal Democrat, the Democratic Party that I grew up in is a party that for which free speech was sanctified. The ACLU offended the Nazis when they marched in Skokie, and I defended them. And I know what they're saying is repulsive to me, but I

need to live and die for their right to speak, their right to say it. That's how we live in our country. Our country is our democracy….

Joe: That's how we used to live.

Bobby:... is dependent on the free flow of information. And when you have an important Democrat, you know what? I want to ask Elizabeth Warren, do you believe in democracy anymore? Because she clearly does not have faith in the people of the United States to be able to make up their minds about or critically think about decisions. She thinks that they need to be manipulated. They need to be protected from information that she considers dangerous, and it evinces a complete failure of faith in the demos and the people and democracy. And there's a lot of troubling things that have come out of our new reliance on these social media platforms in our country and democracy around the world need to struggle to figure out how to deal with that. But censorship is not the answer, and she ought to know better. And the fact that there's many people in my party who believe that censorship is okay, 78% of that of my party has lost touch or lost faith in democracy. It's hard to call yourself the Democratic Party when you don't believe in democracy anymore, when you don't believe in the people.

Joe: So have you changed your… I mean, it's a really interesting commentary on the party. So are you considering switching parties or...

Bobby: Oh, I don't have any of these people that… The people who were in the Democratic Party are run by fear and their fear has overcome their capacity for critical thought. But I don't think we can abandon them as Americans. And I don't know. And I think my job is to try to bring them back around and try to be a bridge between people of goodwill all over this country who believe in their heart in the values of American democracy. And I try not to be political because I think politics polarizes us. I think the elites want us fighting each other and they want us polarized. They want us labeling each other. And I think what we need to do is to reach out to people who are friends or acquaintances or misguided and begin recruiting them into acting… into democracy.

Joe: That's a great recommendation. I'm wondering I know we're close to the end and if you have any final recommendation as to what you would advise to address this whole issue, because it's probably the most significant issue we've ever faced in our life.

Bobby: Here's what I'd say. Two points, one is that we're now at a critical point where there are about 2.26 million children with.

Joe: Tens of thousands.

Bobby: Of children in clinical trials. 20 people died in the vaccine group and only 14 in the control group. So according to Pfizer's own data, if you take the vaccine, you're 48% more likely to die. You're likely to die of COVID, but four times more likely to die of a heart attack.

Joe: That wasn't the child that either that.

Bobby: A child was even worse because there's only 1300 kids in that cohort. And we know that one of them was Jennifer Gary and Jennifer Gary is permanently paralyzed and she is living off a feeding tube. And Pfizer reported her injuries as a stomach ache. You know they were lying. Now, if one out of every 1300 kids is paralyzed in the clinical trial. You can project it out to 6 million. This is 26 million, tens of thousands of people who are subject to this kind of increase. This is very reckless. Again, it's sociopathy. Here's what I would say to people. We have to stop this and we all have to die. We cannot let them do this. If you are a parent and you give this your child, you are not doing your job. If you're a doctor, you are committing malpractice with this. We all need to resist. I would say every American who sees what's happening now start engaging in civil disobedience every day. And that may mean going into a store and telling them if they demand a vaccine passport. You are not going to patronize or maybe resisting on the job. And do not quit. Do not quit. Make them fire you because then you are lost. Make them fire you. Right now, the best thing to make them fire before trying to take an emergency use authorization vaccine because there are no approved vaccines in this country available to any American. It was a myth. It was a hoax. It was a chicanery for them to say, oh, we approve this vaccine. We'll tell you we do not make government available in the United States. Why

are they trying to go after our kids? Here's why. The vaccines can only get liability protection once they are approved. The only way they get liability protection is if you're on the child vaccination schedule. And then once the CDC votes them on the child vaccinations. They get liability protection even for adults. So they need to put them on that child schedule so that they can start selling them in this country because they're not going to sell them until they get liability protection. So that's why they're going to have kids need it to get that liability protection. And we need to stop them from collateral damage caused to an entire generation of children, 26 million children. A lot of vaccine has been tested on 1300 kids with catastrophic result. The other thing I would say, and this is in line with what I was talking about with you earlier about how do you persuade people to open their eyes to what's happening? How do you wake them up?

Joe: That's the question.

Bobby: I talked to a friend of mine who is a Jungian psychologist and social psychologist the other day. And he said, the worst thing that you can do is somebody who is part of the orthodoxy is to try to persuade them directly. If you run at them and challenge their beliefs, ridicule them, you're not going to get anywhere. There is a way to get them to open their eyes. And that’s with the Socratic method, which is to ask them questions about their belief, to challenge them gently with questions, and ask them if the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, how do we justify mandating? How do we think you can end the pandemic? If a vaccine is tested on 1300 children, is it right if The Lancet says that not a single child anywhere in the globe, healthy child, has ever died from COVID 19? There are children who died, but they are all have really heavy duty co-morbidities, very overweight, diabetes, asthma, etc.. How do we justify giving this to a healthy child when they have no risk from COVID and yet they do have a vaccine? And you ask me, why should we run with this gentleman's contract? I saw that as one of the things I'm trying and something that we could try as well.

Joe: Well, that's really sage advice. I can't thank you enough for your dedication, your commitment, and your putting together this book as a resource. Again, I strongly recommend it. It's clear you definitely set the standard at this point. And my book was a good primer, but it was literally one sixth the size of your book and you've got a lot more work that went into it to document this and hopefully it will be the catalyst to have Fauci resign at some point in the near future. So thank you for everything you've done. And

actually I should mention that you've got an unbelievably great website. I subscribe to it every day. So many good articles. The defender.

Bobby: Thank you.

Joe: Yeah. So it's a great, great site.

Bobby: Thank you for everything. Good. You've been doing this for a lifetime and you've been fighting back, and they're really trying to show you now. And I'm really proud to be your friend and to be in the trenches with you.

Joe: Yeah, well, likewise. It's a team effort, and I firmly believe that ultimately we win in the end, but there's going to be a lot of challenges and life is probably likely going to get worse before, especially with this. It's hard to go to sleep at night just knowing the past and what's likely going to happen. I just don't see any intervention. And so many children are going to die and suffer needlessly because of this. But it is what it is and we've got to go forward. And I really thank you for compiling the data and giving us a strategy that we can make a difference. Thanks for everything.

Bobby: Thank you,

Tucker Carslon RFK Jr. Interview of Nov. 15 2021 https://www.bitchute.com/video/8UZ5naTp1lhq/ https://brandnewtube.com/watch/tucker-carslon-rfk-jr-interview-fullinterview_dGjzO9mcVO5Y1kP.html (It was censored/deleted from Youtube and reposted elsewhere)

Tucker: I just rewatched the entirety of this interview that we're about to play with Robert Kennedy Jr. and to be completely honest, the first couple of minutes, if you're not used to the way his voice sounds, you can think to yourself, I'm having trouble understanding this. Our strong advice to you is to keep listening. It is worth it. There's a lot in here and you should hear all of it. [There appears to be an low level annoying studio echo that dissipates a few minutes into the show.]

Welcome to Tucker Carlson today. Our next guest, Robert Kennedy Jr, doesn't need much of an introduction. He's been familiar to most Americans for a very long time. I

would just add two things. One, he is one of the bravest, most impressive people I personally have ever met. And two, he is a remarkable journalist. Twenty years ago, when his first cousin, Michael Skakel, was convicted of murder and sentenced to 20 years to life. Bobby Kennedy Jr wrote maybe one of the great magazine pieces of all time, 2003 in The Atlantic, convincing many skeptics, including the one now speaking, that actually this was a miscarriage of justice, effectively proving his cousin's innocence in that case against a surging tide of media opposition. That rarely happens in journalism. And it suggested a kind of rigor of thinking and intensity and commitment to the facts that he has brought to his latest book. And that's the subject of today's interview. The book is called The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health. We are honored to have Bobby Kennedy Jr in the studio with us today. Bobby, thanks so much for coming on.

RFK Jr: Thanks so much for having me.

Tucker: So, I mean, this is the question I think everyone asked when they first read about you. Why would you do something like this? You're well known. You could spend the rest of your life just, I don't know, being vetted by famous people. There's absolutely no reason to stick your finger in the eye of the people who run the country by writing a book like this, but you did in any way. Why?

RFK Jr: Well, I think what's happened in this country is this bizarre imposition of totalitarian controls, the deconstruction of the Constitution, the rise of censorship, the rise of a suppression of religious freedoms, property rights, closing a million businesses without US compensation or due process, the abolition of jury trials, which guaranteed the 7th Amendment for any vaccine company that hurts you, all of it, and the rise of a kind of track and trace surveillance state has been troubling to people, both Democrats and Republicans, people who support vaccines, people who oppose them are looking at and wondering what's happened. And I felt like I was in a unique position to interpret and to explain to people what had happened. I've been working in environmental lawyer for 40 years. I understand all of these mechanisms of corporate capture by which regulatory agencies assert control over the regulated industries, assert control over the agencies that are supposed to regulate them and essentially turn them into sock puppets. And I've been working on vaccine issues since 2005 and the kind of regulatory capture that you see in this case is really captured on steroids because these agencies, FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies and…

Tucker: The FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies!

RFK Jr: And it's like the EPA got half its budget from the coal companies, if you can imagine that. I spent probably 20% of the lawsuits, of the hundreds of lawsuits that I brought, and I'm a lawyer, against EPA for sweetheart arrangements, for giving permits to oil companies that were illegal. And if you can imagine how much worse that capture would be if half of EPA's budget came from oil and coal companies. That's what you're dealing with in pharmaceuticals. Not only that, CDC, which is another one of the HHS agencies, spends $4.9 billion annually of its $12 billion budget buying and distributing vaccines. So it's really a vaccine company, it's not a regulatory agency, that's about 40% of its budget. And NIH/CDC has vaccine patents, so the vaccines that it's pushing, it has 57 vaccine patents it's making royalties on. And NIH has thousands of patents, many of them for vaccines. For example, Tony Fauci's agency owns half the Moderna patent and some billions and billions of dollars on sales of the Moderna vaccine or Tony Fauci's top aides also have patent rights to Moderna. So Tony Fauci can kind of assign patent rights to his favored loyalists within his agency. And they then get to keep $150,000 a year for the rest of their lives on a product they're supposed to be regulating. Tony Fauci owns patents on drugs he has developed. And so the regulatory function is an essentially subsumed by the commercial and mercantile aspects of vaccine production and vaccine manufacturing and vaccine uptake. And if you within HHS, the way that you get promotions and raises and salary, bonuses, etc., is by contributing to the crusade for vaccine uptake. You do not get promoted for finding problems with vaccines and that's actually what we as a taxpayer are paying these regulators to do, but they're not doing it. And so I had kind of a unique perspective on what was happening at the beginning of 2020 and was able to kind of predict how they were going to handle this, how they would suppress. I've known Tony Fauci for years.

Tucker: You know Fauci personally?

RFK Jr: Yeah, I've met him personally, but my family has these deep entanglements with these health agencies. My uncles literally wrote the legislation that created a lot of these agencies. My Uncle Teddy for 50 years was the chair of the health committee. So he was writing the budgets for Tony Fauci and Francis Collins and all these agencies are one of the key institutions within NIH and are named for members of my family. Shriver, my grandmother, Rose Kennedy and we've had these deep entanglements. So

I know Tony Fauci, but I also am very conscious of the fact that these officials really do not do public health so much as pharmaceutical production. Tony Fauci has transformed NIH into an incubator for pharmaceutical products. Oh, he's supposed to be doing, what Congress intended him to do is to try to track the etiology of allergic diseases and chronic diseases and infectious diseases and then figure out how to do the kind of science we need to stop those. Since he came in in 1968, we've gone from about 6% of Americans to having chronic disease by 2006 at 54%. What do I mean by that? What I mean by chronic disease? There's three major categories and obesity. One is neurodevelopmental diseases, ADHD, ADHD, speech delay, language tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD and autism. If you're my age, I'm 67 years old. I never heard of any of those diseases when I was a kid and I didn't know anybody. I've been around. I was at the spearhead of working with people with intellectual disabilities. My family started Special Olympics. I never saw an autistic kid prior to 1989. I still don't know a single person my age, who has full blown autism. And by that I mean nonverbal, toilet-trained, head-banging, toe-walking, in my generation, it's about one in 10,000 who have autism. In my kid's generation, according to the CDC, it's one in every 34, one in every 22 boys. Tony Fauci’s job Is to figure out why that happened.

Tucker: Those are amazing statistics.

RFK Jr: When Congress said to EPA “tell us what year the autism epidemic began” and EPA scientists came back and said 1989. Also they said there's a red line that year. In 1989, a lot of other stuff started like food allergies. I had 11 siblings and about seven first cousins. I didn't know anybody with a food allergy, peanut allergy. Why do five of my kids have food allergies, eczema, the allergic you have the neurodevelopmental disease, you have the allergic diseases like asthma, anaphylaxis, food allergies, peanut allergies. Food allergy exploded beginning in 1989. Then the last two categories, autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes. I didn't know anybody who had diabetes when I was a kid.. Today there are diabetic kids in every classroom. There's about 70 autoimmune diseases that have become at some level epidemic since 1989. Tony Fauci job is to tell us where they're coming from. We know it has to be an environmental toxin because genes do not cause epidemics. They may provide a vulnerability like you need an environmental toxin and there is limited number of them. There's a guy called Phil Landrigan, a very famous toxicologist in New York. And he looked at this cascade of chronic disease that began in the beginning of the 1990s. And he looked at the timing for exposures to certain environmental toxins, and he came out with about 11 of them. Essentially it has to be one of these because the only ones that

became ubiquitous across all populations, you had the same impact on Cuban children and Key Biscayne, Miami and what kids in Homer, Alaska all the same time. What could that be? It could be glyphosate, which is the product and roundup, which became ubiquitous around that time. It could be neonicotinoid pesticides, it could be PFOA, which is a flame retardant, which also became ubiquitous. It could be cell phones. It could be wifi. It could be ultrasound. He comes out with about 11 of those, but one of the keys has to be vaccines because the vaccine schedule. We went from having three vaccines I took when I was a kid. I was fully compliant, to the 72 doses of 16 vaccines that our kids now are mandated to take if they want to stay in school. And really it began in 1986 when they passed the Vaccine Act and gave complete shield from liability to all vaccine companies, that if you're a vaccine company and you injure somebody, no matter how grievous the injure injury, no matter how reckless your conduct, no matter how negligent you are, no matter how toxic the ingredient, nobody can sue you. So there's no deposition, there's no discovery, there's no class actions, and there's no incentive for you to make that product safe.

Tucker: May I ask, is there any other manufacturer, distributors or any other product that has that kind of liability protection?

RFK Jr: There is liability protection. There is a cap with nuclear power plants, and that's called the Price Anderson Act at Congress. The insurance company wouldn't insure them, which was the problem with the vaccines. It wasn't a bunch of hippies looked at the vaccines and said, they're dangerous. It was the insurance companies said you are too dangerous for us to insure. What happened is a Pfizer, which was then called Wyeth, product in the early ‘80s when they started ramping up vaccines and it was a diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccine, a DTP vaccine. They knew that there was an injury rate because people started reporting injuries. But CDC was telling the world it was one in a million serious injuries. Their internal documents show that they believed it was one in 15,000 permanent brain injury or death. But then NIH and Wyeth and UCLA funded a study at UCLA where they really did a controlled study and they immediately found it was one in every 300 kids. The result of that, Pfizer, Wyeth at that tim,e was saying we are paying $20 in downstream liability for every dollar we're making a profit. They went to the Reagan administration and to the Democrats in Congress, everybody was at fault, and they said, if you don't give us blanket freedom from liability, we are going to stop making vaccines and you will be out of a vaccine supply. So Congress, Reagan, everybody was reluctant to do it. But Reagan actually said to the companies, why don't you just make the vaccine safe?

Tucker: A good question.

RFK Jr: And Wyeth said because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. And that phrase “unavoidably unsafe” is in the preamble to the Vaccine Act. And it is also part of the Supreme Court case in which that essentially sort of gave legal sanction to the freedom from liability. So once that happened, there was a gold rush because the vaccine company said, “holy cow, now we've got a product that is free from the biggest cause for every other… every medicine kills somebody. There's vulnerable subgroups, and it is for most medicines, it's their biggest cost, paying those liabilities. So now the company said, “holy cow, now we're completely free from that cost.” They also are the only product that never has to be safety tested and the reason for that, it's an artifact of the CDC legacy as a public health service, which was a quasi-military agency. That's why people at CDC have military ranks like surgeon general and they wear uniforms and because it always had the health agencies are very closely aligned with the military. And the vaccine program was conceived as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country. So they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agent, we could quickly formulate a vaccine distribute it to 200 million American civilians with no regulatory impediments. And so they said, if we call this medicine, we're going to have to do test it like you test medicines, which is usually a five year placebo controlled, randomized, double blind study. And you do it for five years because many medicine injuries have long incubation periods or long diagnostic horizons. So you need that long period of time to really make a cost benefit analysis over the long term saving lives. They said we can't afford to do that. So their solution was we won't call it a medicine, we'll call it a biologic, and we'll exempt biologics from safety testing. Now, none of the 72 vaccines that are currently mandated for our children has ever been safely tested against a placebo in pre-clinical trials. I made that statement for many years and Tony Fauci said that it was wrong. I met with Tony Fauci in 2016 and Francis Collins, with somebody from the Trump White House present and I was with Del Bigtree and Aaron Seery and Linton Redwood, who is a nurse practitioner. And I reiterated that statement to them. There has never been a single pre-clinical trial, a randomized controlled placebo testing for any of the 72 vaccines. They said in front of the White House observer, “you're wrong”. And I said to them, “then show me one”. So I knew they didn't exist unless they had them locked in a safe, because I'd asked them on Freedom of Information request and they hadn't been able to produce them. They just said, you're wrong, we'll get them to you and they never did.

It's the last I heard from them. So we sued them Del and Aaron and me for Icahn, we sued them. And after a year of litigation in 2017, HHS came back and said, “You're right, we've never done any”. So nobody knows the risk profile for any of those vaccines. So nobody can tell you with a scientific certainty whether any of those products are causing more deaths and injuries than they're averting. People say, I'm anti-vaccine, I'm not. I'm pro-science and pro-safety testing. If there is a vaccine that is shown to work in a preclinical or in a randomized placebo controlled trial, I 100% would support it. And by work, I mean that after five years vaccinated cohort is healthier than the unvaccinated cohort. That's really what we need to know.

Tucker: So we ask you question so that you are effectively defending science, the scientific method, the free inquiry, that's the basis of science. I couldn't agree with you more. At the beginning of this whole thing. I asked the obvious question, but the VAERS numbers like what? What? Every medicine kills somebody. That is demonstrably true. Advil kills people. So like, what's the harm demonstrated harm of this vaccine? Nobody wants to ask that question. Nobody wants to hear it posed. People become hysterical on both sides, if you ask that question, what you've been the borne the brunt of that hysteria for years. What is that about? What's the psychology that leads people to say, “I don't want to know about the downside”?

RFK Jr: Well, let me talk, because you mentioned the VAERS number. VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting says what the HHS rationale is that, yes, we didn't do adequate safety trials. They are abbreviated.. They're too short to actually do safety trials. But if they are and they were stratified and there weren't certain age groups, you don't know what the risk factor is, really know, what the risk factor is for older people. It turns out if you're over 70, you're risk from COVID is a thousand times greater than if you're under 70. So and that's really important when you craft public health policy. I have that kind of information, right, because your strategy for children should be completely different than your strategy from adults. We didn't have that kind of stratification in that study where you could look you could look at each of those cohorts and make those kind of calculations. What the HHS and the public health agencies [say is], we will figure that out, post licensing, if we start giving these vaccines to millions of people and we will then see if people are harmed. The problem is the system, the surveillance system that they have, is the only one that they've had for years. Now the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system, which we'll call VAERS, has collected a humongous number of injuries. It's a voluntary system, so the doctor or somebody injured has to call in and it takes about 30 minutes to to go through the process and there's no real penalty if you skip it. So a lot of doctors don't recognize vaccine injury.

They don't have an incentive not to report it because they just if you're a kid, the shot and they said it's going to save his life and if instead he's in a wheelchair or crippled, they don't really want to acknowledge it was the vaccine. They just say that happened.

So that happens. That kind of non-reporting is epidemic. But nevertheless there have been 17,000 deaths reported on the COVID vaccines. And that's more deaths in the last eight months than all of the deaths from all vaccines. The billions and billions of vaccines combined over the past 30 years. this vaccine is appears to be killing more people than all vaccines combined. There's more reports of following vaccination. Here's the problem. The VAERS system doesn't work. It is designed, in fact, to fail. It's designed to undercount injuries by as much as 99%. Why do I say that? Because HHS did a study on the system in 2010. People can look it up. It's called Lazarus et al, and they published it. And they spent millions of dollars on this study and they looked at one HMO. And what they did is they designed a machine counting system. How does a machine counting system work? The HMO has all the records of all the medical claims of all patients, and they have the vaccine records down to batch numbers. So every vaccine that patient took, they know. So it's quite easy to use an AI cluster analysis and compare whether people who got this vaccine are getting more diabetes or autism or ADHD or rheumatoid arthritis or autoimmune disease, whatever, you can do it in an instant.

So they designed a system like that and they used it on the Harvard Pilgrim HMO in Boston, and then they compared it to what VAERS was getting. And what they found was that the vaccine injuries were actually very, very common or happening in about one out of every 40 people per vaccine, and that VAERS was missing more than 99%. So the conclusion that study is fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries are reported. Now, the interesting thing is they have a machine counting system and they were going to roll it out to all the other HMOs. But when CDC saw the results of frightening, alarming results. It killed that study and they refused to answer the phone calls of Lazarus and his team. And Lazarus and his team were people from Harvard and they were members of another health agency that is also within HHS. So the CDC stopped talking to its fellow agency because it didn't like the news they were trying to get. It's called the Agency for Health, Health Research Quality, AHHRQ. And how do I know this? Because if you look up the Lazarus study, the last lines in a CDC, when we showed them the results, they were very proud that they had done this. And CDC showed them when they showed the results to CDC, they said the CDC officials in charge of this project refused to answer our phone calls afterwards. So they just shut

them down because they saw something that they did not want the public to know about vaccine safety.

Tucker: So in the book you and even in the title of the book, you make the connection between Tony Fauci and Bill Gates. So for our viewers who are not familiar with that connection, can you give us a sense of what it is and why it's why it matters?

RFK Jr: In 2000, Tony Fauci flew out to Seattle, Washington, and he had this meeting, this very strange meeting in Bill Gates’ $85 million mansion on the banks of Lake Washington. And Gates brought him into his library and he said, “I want to propose a partnership with you”. And the partnership was to try to vaccinate all of humanity. And they ended up calling that in 2009, they rechristened the program The Decade of Vaccines. Gates went to the UN and gave this speech in which he promised to vaccinate essentially all of humanity with a multiple battery of vaccines by 2020 and he began asserting, using his philanthropy to create a series of other quasi-governmental agencies CEPI, GAVI and a number of others. And then to gain control of the W.H.O. He calls what he does, philanthropic capitalism. It's not about philanthropy. It's about enriching the capitalists. What he does is he buys and, he does this in a number of areas. I show it in the book. He does it with food. He did it with the core curriculum. He has large stakes in companies that could benefit from a change in governmental policies, a worldwide change in governmental policy. So he owns stakes, very, very large stakes, almost all the big pharmaceutical companies. And he gives essentially about $1,000,000,000 to the W.H.O. every year, but through Rotary International, through GAVI, through and through the Gates Foundation. But there's sort of accumulative is even larger than the US, which is the second biggest. That gives him control over those policies. The analysis of W.H.O. say there is nothing that goes through W.H.O. that is not vetted first by the Gates Foundation. And W.H.O. controls the money and it funds the health agencies at most African countries. So they are completely reliant on those annual checks from W.H.O.. And what Gates and W.H.O. do, or W.H.O. and Gates has a lot of people on W.H.O. do not want to do this. He's taking them away from their traditional occupations, which was economic development and hygiene, food supply, food production, and local democracy and local control. So W.H.O. does very little of those things now, and they really focus over 50% of their budget, focus on one vaccine, one only the polio vaccine, which is a flawed vaccine. The polio vaccine, according to W.H.O.'s own number, causes 70% of the polio on Earth every year. So it's not a successful vaccine. But what he does then is he through W.H.O., W.H.O. will go in and

say it is an African country. If you want your annual check from us, here's what you've got to do. You have to show an 80% uptake of the DTaP vaccine. In fact, saying we don't use in white countries the United States. That's the vaccine that was killing one out of every 300 kids. We got rid of it. Europeans got rid of it. But Gates has 161 million African children that vaccine every year. And what he'll say is he'll say, W.H.O. will say this country, you don't get your HIV money, you don't get your systems money to run your health agency unless you can show us you've vaccinated 80% of your kids. And that's a hypothetical number, but it will be something like that with a DTaP vaccine. So those countries that are forced to buy that vaccine and they have to purchase it ultimately from one of the companies that Gates is heavily invested in. And Gates is a $33 Billion Corpus and he's put in the Gates Foundation. But it's still his money. He's still controlling it. And it's now tax deductible, it's shielded from taxes. And he is now deploying it to change government policies in a way that enriches companies that he's elsewhere invested in. And he does the same thing with food. He switched many, many millions and millions of Africans from subsistence farming that they've been doing successfully for 10,000 generations. The GMO crops heavily, lots of inputs, chemical agriculture, carbon based fertilizers that all have to be imported by his companies, like his huge investments in Monsanto, in Cargill, and then in the processed food companies, and buying those commodities cheap like Coca-Cola, McDonald's and Kraft Cheese, those kind of things. So the more you look at it, the more corrupt it gets. His deal with Tony Fauci, which I go into in detail, what the result, the outcome of that bargain, and the lives and health of millions and millions of Africans and South Asians has been absolutely catastrophic.

Tucker: Why do you not to get to motive. This is an exhaustively reported book that I can't recommend strongly enough. But I have to ask, what do you think motivates apart from the profit that you just explained, there does seem to be an ideological fervor behind these vaccination campaigns. It seems there's a religious quality to it. Am I imagining.

RFK Jr: There's that quality to it, right. To the orthodoxy? What motivates it is pretty simple, which is power, which is motivated bad behavior and good behavior, for a sense since human beings have to eat. And in fact, that's why we got kicked out of it. So it's not a mystery that people want to accumulate power. Bill Gates isn't interested in money in terms of currency. He's not sitting there making big piles of bills. People accumulate money so that they can have power over their lives, over their environment, over their health, their food, but ultimately over other people. If you're a sociopath or if you're even

people who are very, very well motivated want to have power because they believe that that they have a unique opportunity or unique ability to improve people's lives, whatever. One thing I don't do, there's 2200 footnotes in that book, everything is cited and sourced and what I do is I show conduct. I do not try to look into people's heads.

Tucker: No, no, I noticed that.

RFK Jr: But you're asking about the orthodoxy. And you and I actually talked about this at another time. Why do people have this religious fervor when it comes to vaccine? Why can't I sit down with my friends, my liberal friends and have a fact-based conversation. Why do I have to be silenced? Why do people consider me dangerous or that you're taking a huge risk by putting me on this show? Why can't we do what you're supposed to do in a democracy, which is to ultimately to find common ground with people who disagree with you, not to love your enemy, to have fact-based debates and that are congenial and that maybe can resolve and maybe not resolve issues. And instead, you run anybody who tries to talk about these things and runs into something that looks like an old style medieval religious orthodoxy, which is the repetition of the shibboleths. Follow the science, protect granny, being selfish and a total unwillingness to talk about facts, a total unwilling and imperviousness to factual argument. And not only that, but it's just a ferocious anger that you are dangerous because you have a different point of view than I do. And that kind of orthodoxy has occurred throughout time. We are kind of designed to embrace orthodoxy, we're hardwired for orthodoxy from 20,000 generations. We are raised up and wandering the African savannah and tiny groups following a powerful leader at war with all of our neighbors and having to embrace unit cohesion through a uniform cosmology. And anybody on the outgroup is evil and dangerous. And anybody on the in group, no matter how badly behaved they were, they had to be defended. And it's tribalism writ large. And that's what we're looking at. We're looking at this polarization and tribalism. And I believe a lot of that is strategic. What I try to do is completely divorce myself from the politics and talk to Republicans and Democrats, because I think what we're seeing now is this imposition of these controls that have benefited these elites. There's 500 new billionaires since the lockdown started. There's been a shift of $3.8 trillion in wealth from working people globally to this top rung of billionaires, most of them Silicon Valley people, or from this communications grid, who are either way tied to the intelligence agencies through a variety of different entanglements. But it's Gates, it's Larry Ellison, it's Sergey Brin from Google, it's Mark Zuckerberg, it's Bloomberg, mainstream and social media. And the weird thing that people don't seem to

say is that these people who are cashing in with hundreds of billions from lockdowns are the same people who are censoring criticism of the lockdowns and have...

Tucker: There’s a closed loop isn’t there.

RFK Jr: It's a closed loop and the best thing for them is the Republicans and Democrats are fighting with each other and blacks and whites are fighting. And the polarization and the anger and the bitterness at the ground level is occurring and nobody is noticing. They are feeding on the corpses of our obliterated middle class and gorging themselves.

Tucker: I'm. I'm pulling back from pounding my fist on the table in agreement. I guess the upside of this sad moment is people's minds have gotten open to the point where they can hear what you're saying, which I think is absolutely provably true. So in the book, you use the phrase coup d'etat against democracy repeatedly work me into a frenzy as I was reading it. Explain, if you would, what you meant by that.

RFK Jr: Well and I'm sure that it's a little earlier, we've really seen the systematic demolition of our Bill of Rights and literally, it's systematic. And James Madison, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson all said, we put freedom of speech in the First Amendment, because if a government can if they can get rid of that one, then they have license to take it to commit any kind of atrocity they want. If you can't criticize them, they’re going to destroy you and going to expand their power till there's nothing left for you. Freedom of speech. Nobody ever has been able to point to a single mistake I ever made on Instagram. We put a huge amount at Children's Health events, huge amounts of resources into fact checking, more than any, as far as I can tell, any other publication we have on our board, a Nobel Prize winner who discovered the HIV virus in 1993, the former head of the National Toxicity Program on our Advisory Scientific Advisory Board, 312 PhD scientists and M.D.s. And they look at what we're doing and we fact check it rigorously. We have an entire team that does that. Everything I ever put on Instagram was sourced to a government database or to a peer reviewed publication, but I got thrown off for “vaccine misinformation” because that term does not have anything to do with whether it's a factually correct or not.

It's simply a euphemism for anything that departs from government proclamations and corporate profit taking. If you threaten those things, then you are “passing on misinformation”. So anybody who wanted to criticize the government they got rid of, that's why we had the revolution, so that we could criticize the government. And we put that first and yet it's gone. Then the next thing they go after the other half of the First Amendment, freedom of religion, they close, every church in this country for a year and they keep the liquor stores open, by the way, without any hearing, without showing any science, without notice and comment rulemaking, no discussion, no debate, to keep the liquor stores open as essential businesses. Now, I have no problem with that, but with keeping the liquor stores open. But the “liquor stores” are not in the Constitution. The churches are and we shouldn't be able to close those lightly without having a debate about it. Then they go after property rights. They close a million businesses without due process or just compensation. That's a violation of the Constitution. They get rid of jury trials, Sixth and Seventh Amendment. Here's what the Seventh Amendment says. “No American shall be deprived of their rights to a trial before a jury of their peers in cases where controversy is exceeding $25”, that's it, the whole amendment. So there's no pandemic exception. And yet anybody now who claims to be doing a countermeasure, it's not just the vaccine makers who you can't get a jury trial against if they kill you, but if you go into a hospital and you slip on a slippery floor that somebody negligently put bacon grease on, you can't sue for that. So anybody who's involved in this project, jury trials have been abolished. They got rid of the prohibitions against warrantless searches and seizures and we're now all part of this track and trace surveillance state and on. And they literally have gotten rid of every amendment they've got due process. Due process. And here's what due process says. If you want to pass a law in this country, if Congress has said, okay, we vote for Congress, we don't like it, we can vote them out. But if an agency passes it, they have to do certain things to make sure there's democracy involved. They have to put a notice of the rulemaking. If published, the proposed rule, they have to publish an environmental impact statement explaining all the science behind the proposed rule, citing this that is citing their rationale and economic impact statement, saying how each person in society will get hurt, and a regulatory impact to make sure that costs meet the benefits and they have to have notice and comments. Oh, we get 30 or 60 or 90 days where everybody sends in letters and says, this is going to, for example, I could say I own a kayak company. I can't put masks on my clients because it could kill them if they fall over, I should be exempted.

So those are the kinds of things you do in notice and comment. And the government has to respond narrowly to all the rules. It only does what it's intended to do and doesn't affect other people. And then you have a public hearing where Tony Fauci could bring in his experts to say why masks or why lockdowns work, why social distancing works, and we get other people who oppose him can bring in theirs. And you have a case that's published and everybody watches it and then there's an appeal. None of that happened. It was just a doctor who has never treated a COVID patient saying one week masks don't work and a month later everybody putting them on, and not citing one study to justify that change. It was government by dictate. And so during that first year, we literally got rid of every amendment to the Constitution except the Second Amendment. It's the only one that's left. And what I tell people is “we have to love our freedom more than we fear a germ.” We have to, and I would even remind people that even if this was the deadly disease that they say it is, there's worse things than death. And there was a whole generation, and that may sound cold and people will get mad at me for saying it. But we're lucky that there was a whole generation of Americans in 1776 who said it would be better to die than to not have these rights written down. And they gave that. And they gave us a gift of that Bill of Rights. And then in one year at the bidding of a doctor, because he's telling us you need to do this to save them and orchestrated fear and all of the weird stuff they did with the numbers, which is not what public health is supposed to be doing. In one year all of those rights have been taken away from us. And we Democrats and Republicans need to stop fighting each other and we need to start fighting the bad guys, the people who are taking away everything we value, everything. There's no such thing as Republican children, Democratic children and our kids deserve to have the same Bill of rights that our parents gave us. And people need, whatever their fears are, they need to put those aside and demand that we get those things back.

Tucker: I think it's a really moving summation. It's not just and we could go on forever, but just sum it up for us. This is not just a domestic phenomenon, the old system being swept away because of COVID.This is, you describe it in the book, as the end of liberal democracy globally.

RFK Jr: And I think I do a job in that book that nobody's ever done before. And I think it will become clear to people when they read the last chapter of this book, how this happened, how all of these liberal democracies across the globe pivoted simultaneously to obliterate constitutional, as I said, a coup d'etat against democracy globally and to

impose totalitarian controls like nobody has ever experienced. People would sit around and say, how do they all know what to do at the exact same time? And I show that in this book, exactly. They had been planning it for 20 years. And this is going to sound like paranoid conspiracy theory. But I document exactly what happened, names, dates and the involvement and really deep involvement of the intelligence agencies, of people from the bioweapons divisions of our militaries across the globe, who are more aligned with China, the bioweapons developers and China and the United States were more aligned and loyal to each other than they were to the nations that they're supposed to be defending. It is a very odd phenomena, but I show how it happened meticulously, and I would urge people, just if you if you read nothing else, read the last chapter of that book. It's called Germ Games, and you will understand how your government turned against you.

Tucker: Yeah, I read it last night and stayed up till two in the morning, upset me. I got to ask one last question that's not germane to any of this, but I just I just can't control myself because it's something of interest to me. So the Warren Commission, which was the commission that investigated the murder of your uncle in 1963 in Dallas, produced a massive volume of paper. Nearly 60 years later, some of it is still classified. We just learned that it will not be, it was supposed to be released years ago, and it still hasn't been released. Given that virtually everyone directly involved is dead, why do you think those materials are so classified?

RFK Jr: It is a mystery, clearly as you and I talked about. It's not, it can't be that they're protecting an individual. They have to be protecting institutions. It's weird because I didn't agree with Trump on a lot of stuff. Trump was willing one of the things about him, he was willing to defy institutions and break things. And he did not like the CIA. He promised he was going to release it and then he didn't. And I’d like, if I ever run into him again, I'm going to ask him why? What did they tell you that made you change your mind? And, of course, I don't I have any idea what Biden's thinking on this is, but they all promise they're going to release it and then they all stop. And our country really took a turn at that point in history. And it's really important for Americans to really understand what happened. And the Warren Commission was a whitewash. There's almost no Americans other than highly placed people in The New York Times who believe the Warren Commission. And so I hope at some point we do find out something about the truth.

Tucker: Do you think we will?

RFK Jr: I don't know. I've given up making predictions, Tucker.

Tucker: I honestly I just want to say it again. Of all the people who need to write a book like this, you're in last place. You had no reason to write this, but you did anyway. And I'm just really, really grateful for your bravery and the meticulousness of your research and your willingness to come on today. So thank you.

RFK Jr: Thank you for your courage and having me on because I haven't been on a TV show like this in 15 years.

Tucker: We didn't think twice. I was so impressed by it. The name of the book is The Real Anthony Fauci. Absolutely worth reading. Bobby Kennedy, Jr., the name of the guest. Tucker Carlson, the name of the show. New episodes every Monday, Wednesday and Friday on Fox Nation. We'll see you every weeknight. 8 p.m. on the Fox News Channel.

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A 45 minute interview with Del Bigtree on TheHighwire

Del: I think one of the greatest examples in many ways is one of the most famous families we have, and that's the Kennedy family. I've had the honor and pleasure to be able to call Robert Kennedy Jr, a very close friend of mine, and I've sat in conversations with him when he's talked about what it was like to grow up in the Kennedy family. His grandfather would make them stand at the end of the table and recite, having memorized very long poems before they'd be able allowed to eat at dinner. And his own father would drive through impoverished neighborhoods and say, These are your people, these who we protect, not the people that can protect themselves, those who are not capable of handling their own issues or need to be helped. And so in that family, look at how many senators and politicians that run different sporting events and take care of handicapped. I mean, is it genetic? I mean, is that genetic? Is it just simply because if you're born a Kennedy, that means you just do something? Or is it how they're socialized in that family to make a difference? Maybe we all can take a little playbook from that and say, you know what, I want my kids to be active. I want them to

be out there. I want them to be able to speak their truth. Well, nobody does it better and probably the statesmen of this movement is Robert Kennedy Jr. And he made his way into Europe just recently, just a few weeks ago to speak in Italy. And this was that profound, prophetic and dynamic moment.

RFK Jr: No government in the history of mankind has ever relinquished power voluntarily. The power that they have taken away from us over the past 20 months they will never give back. They have taken away our freedom of speech. They have closed the churches. They have taken away jury trials against companies no matter how negligent they are, no matter how reckless they are, no matter how grievous your injury, you cannot sue that company and taken away our property rights in the United States. They closed a million businesses for a year with no just compensation and no due process. They have taken away our right to be free of warrantless searches and seizures and surveillance by the government. This is a global coup d'etat against liberal democracy across the planet and all of these rights that were taken away from us, these governments, and it was temporary, it was only two weeks it would be over. In truth, you can all see what is happening. They are taking those rights and they will never give them back unless we make them.

Del: But we've watched him speak to thousands of people all around the world, of course, here in the United States of America. He's really the statesman, I would say, both for the vaccine risk awareness movement, of course, one of the greatest environmental attorneys that the world has ever known. But the reason I want to talk about him today and have him on the show is because of this, The Real Anthony Fauci. I just read this book and I honestly cannot say enough. This may be the most important book of my lifetime. And I really mean that. We have been discussing on The Highwire, Tony Fauci, as we've gone through this pandemic. There's been a lot of conversations about what is it he's doing, how much he's manipulating, the lies and the deceit. But nothing puts it together in a way like they have in this book. It's now the number one seller on Amazon, best seller on the New York Times list, Wall Street Journal, all of that without any help from the press, all on the backs of people that keep sharing. This is my honor and my pleasure to be joined right now by Robert Kennedy Jr. I mean it I tweeted out myself that in the future, the history books will record two groups of people, those that read this book and those that did not. And here's a spoiler alert. The people that are going to write those history books were the ones that read it because they're the only ones that are going to survive. It's so important. And so to begin with, why this book, of all the things you could write about, why Tony Fauci.

RFK Jr: You know that I've been doing environmental law for 40 years, so I had a kind of a special insight on the dynamic of the agency culture, which most Americans don't know about. Most Americans are idealistic, both liberal Democrats, conservative Republicans. And they may be skeptical about public officials, but they kind of believe in their hearts that the public officials really are at some level public servants and are trying their best to do the right thing. And I had that unique insight because I've tried over 500 lawsuits on environmental issues, and probably about a fifth of those, about 20%, were against government agencies like EPA or like state environmental agencies, because all agencies ultimately become sock puppets for their industries that they're supposed to regulate. And with the public health agencies, they suffer agency capture on steroids because of these unprecedented, unmatched financial entanglements that they have with the pharmaceutical industry. FDA gets 45% of its budget from pharmaceutical companies, CDC gets 4.9 billion of its $12 billion annual budget buying vaccines and then distributing it. So it really is a giant vaccine company and the mercantile aspects of that have subsumed their regulatory responsibilities. NIH, which is Tony Fauci’s agency owns thousands of patents from pharmaceuticals that they helped develop.

And the individuals within those agencies are collecting up to $150,000 a year in royalties from multiple patents, each one for life. So these are not public health agencies anymore. They are subsidiaries of the pharmaceutical company, and Tony Fauci does not do public health. He does pharmaceutical development and pharmaceutical promotion. And what I'm saying right now to you is going to sound like

exaggeration or hyperbole to many, many Americans who hear that. But as you know, from having lived in this space for some time, but also having read that book, this is a speculation by me is not exaggeration. These people have nothing to do with public health. They are the opposite of public health regulators. They are promoting pharmaceutical products and they are increasing their power, their wealth and then some.

Del: You know, I had an honor very early on in my journey with this vaccine discussion when you gave me a call and asked me to be a part of the commission you're putting together because of the meeting we're going to have the National Institute of Health was set up by Donald Trump. Reed Cordish was the one attending there. And we put together a PowerPoint that you delivered masterfully in front of Francis Collins, head of the NIH, Anthony Fauci, and then other luminaries of our virology and autoimmune disease departments, as you would. And when I left that meeting, I know that we were all sort of saying to each other as we had laid out all of our problems with the vaccine and the safety trials and things like that, all of the childhood vaccines. And I remember saying to each other, if we had any doubt about the position we had after leaving that meeting, we all just felt like this is real. We really have a problem here. These people are blind. And when I got back home, I said to my wife, because it was the first time--I really didn't know who Anthony Fauci was. But I said to my wife, all these people that I was sitting across from, I felt like they really believed that they were doing what was right for the public, that they somehow just didn't ask themselves the right questions that would put any sort of pressure on their value system. Or maybe we haven't done the proper safety studies or as you so eloquently put out, why aren't you doing it vaccinated versus unvaccinated study with your own databases? But I said to my wife, there was one guy in that meeting that wasn't like the rest. I truly believe that I was sitting across from someone that was evil, his intentions. He seemed to, unlike everyone else, really know what was going on, really being manipulated in the conversation. And I said, it's this guy named Anthony Fauci. He wasn't to me as big a deal as he is now. And I was a little bit too young to be paying attention to the AIDS crisis, which you cover so well in this book. But my question to you is, you lay this out. And I was saying right before we got on here that with this book, I would recommend people buy sheetrock and some putty because you're going to put a. To your wall from the frustration you feel that a man like this has been manipulating science the way he is. Is Tony Fauci evil?

RFK Jr: Well I really try to avoid speculating about what's going on in his head or why the things that he's supposed to do. I try to be really disciplined about writing the book and just kind of record the facts. But if you look at the facts, it's very, very clear that he suffers from some kind of sociopathy. There were some lack of empathy, some lack of basic human morality because he makes a decision. There's a German word, *death killers” During the Nazi era, there were people who worked in the death camps and they actually killed people. They put people in ovens and the gas chambers, etc.. But the worst of the bureaucrats, according to people like Hannah Arendt, were the people who herded from behind desks whom heard it from a distance. Who made these vast decisions which had consequences, homicidal consequences for thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of people. And then they went home and played with their children and kissed the dog and loved old people and children and all this. And they were they Hannah Arendt called those people death killers. And it's a mystery to me about why the people end up like that. That's Tony Fauci. He has made decisions which he knows, he has to know, are lethal to people. But he, I assume, is an excuse in his head and he is developing a medicine that is good for all of humanity at some point. And therefore, his decisions to sacrifice, that certain people are collateral damage, in his experiments are somehow morally justified. And after that meeting that you and I had, it was a he came up to me after that meeting and he pulled me aside in the corridor and he said, Keep doing what you're doing. You're doing you're doing a good job and you keep pushing us. So what he said to me, if you remember when we were in the meeting, we said to him, because you and I have been saying for two years, we figured this out, They've never done a placebo controlled study. Tony is constantly talking about we need a placebo controlled study before we do Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. They’ve never done a placebo controlled study on any vaccine prior to approving it. Not one. And incidentally, they also didn’t do it on masks or lockdowns or social distancing. He only needs those for things he doesn't want. At that meeting, he had publicly been saying for years. Del Bigtree and Bobby Kennedy are lying. We do placebo controlled studies on every vaccine. In that meeting you and I said to him and Aaron Siri, we said “can you show us those studies?” And he said, “We don't have them here and they were looking through their files. If you remember that? Del: Yeah, I do. RFK Jr: And they said, we don't have them here with us. We can send them to you. So we said, okay, we'll use them. And there was the reason they were being kind of civil to us is there was kind of a “referee” in the room from the White House, from the West Wing, that said it wasn't part of the health establishment, but they wanted to look at what would happen when our story met their narrative. And to try to figure it out. So they were on their best behavior that day because they were performing for the guy in the White House. And we said, “do you have these studies?” They said, “yes, we do have

them. We just don't have them with us.” So they said, “we’ll, send them to you”. And of course, it is anything. And you and I and Aaron Siri sued them and said, “okay, show them to us.” And then after a year and a half of litigation on the courthouse steps, they came out and said, “Yeah, we don't have any, we've never done a placebo controlled study of any of any of the 72 vaccines that we have mandated for our children.”

Del: Yeah, none of the singular vaccines. None of the program of the entire group of vaccines. You got into this in some detail and you got into some things that I had suspected, but put it together really well. This is something we kind of all know by watching the high wire. But I want to show how you lay it out in this book. So clearly in this one section of the book, you're talking about antibody dependent enhancement, which has been really important to us from the moment this happened in Wuhan. So here's what the book says:

In an April 26, 2020 interview with Pharma Troll Dr. Zubin “ZDogg” Damania MD, Merck's top vaccine promoter, Dr. Paul Offit amplified these concerns:

Binding antibodies can be dangerous and caused something can cause something called Antibody Dependent Enhancement. And we've seen that. I mean, we saw that with the Gates funded dengue vaccine. But with the dengue vaccine in children who had never been exposed to dengue before, it actually made them worse when they were then exposed to the natural virus. Much

worse. Vaccinated children, children who were less than nine years of age, who had never been exposed to dengue before, were more likely to die if they've been vaccinated than if they hadn't been vaccinated. You go on to then say that he wasn't the only one. And even Tony Fauci, during his March 26, 2020 White House coronavirus briefing, acknowledged the perils of pathogenic priming, which is another word for Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

The issue of safety is something I want to make sure the American public understands. Does the vaccine make you worse? And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone. They get infected with what you're trying to protect them with and you actually enhance the infection. That's the worst possible thing you could do, vaccinate somebody to prevent infection and actually make them worse.

And you sort of conclude with a list of issues. And you said, right after that: 1) Dr. Fauci's first approach was to abort the three year clinical trials at six months and then vaccinate the controls, a preemption that would prevent detection of long term injuries, including pathogenic priming or the Antibody Dependent Enhancement

You want to describe this now? What you show over and over again in this conversation is Fauci is well aware of these sort of long term or mid-term issues, this one that's got us all the most concern, which is what they saw in all the animal trials where you give the vaccine to the animal, it looks like they're safe. Then you draw antibodies. They're

producing antibodies. But when they challenge the animal with the actual virus, the vaccine doesn't block it or neutralize it. It seems to help the virus into the cells leading to organ failure and death. Now, what you pointed out and what we sort of suspected is then Fauci designs a trial in which he acts like he's going to address all of our concerns. But this would be a concern that would be six months, maybe a year down the road in a human trial. But what does he do? Just a few short weeks after that second vaccine shot, he grabs this tiny little bit of data, says this is all we need to prove that we're 95% effective and then then calls emergency use authorization and then erases the control group and gives them all the vaccine. I didn't know he had done the same thing with AZT and so it's like he selects what is going to be his favorite player and then designs a trial to make it look good. And with AZT, he knew that there were long term effects. In fact, it had failed as an Ebola. It was it was having long term effects when there were other drugs that were available that were safe. And yet and then we saw it again with Remdesivir. Remdesivir is a failed Ebola drug. Apparently, Ebola was better to handle on its own than the toxicity of this Remdesivir drug. But he repurposes it for this relatively benign illness for about 99% of us. But that that whole plan in which he designs a trial and then cuts it short before you would see the long term results, I thought this was the first time it was being done. And you show this incredible. It's not even a history. It's like a playbook that he uses over and over again.

RFK Jr: Yeah, that's exactly right. He terminates the study after eight weeks. It was going to be a three year study. He unblinds all the controls declares that it's so successful that it's unethical to keep it from the controls and then he erases the control group and he didn't tell anybody. But people found out later is that AZT was so hideously toxic. It's like Remdesivir. The NCI, the National Cancer Institute, when they developed it, threw it on the junk heap. They developed it as a cancer chemotherapy drug. And cancer chemotherapy drugs poison every cell in your body and will kill you. It will kill 100% of the people who’ve taken it if they take them for a long period of time. What you hope is if you give it to them for two weeks and hope it kills the tumor before it kills the person. And so AZT was so toxic it killed all the mice in the experiment. They threw it on the junk heap. Early on GlaxoSmithKline found that when they put AZT in a culture with HIV, it killed all the HIV. Not surprising. It kills everything, Tony Fauci felt that it was the only AIDS drug, and he had to do the same thing he did with the vaccines. He had to kill all of the repurposed medications, and he had to keep the people who were getting AZT were dying so fast that he began sneaking them transfusions.

So a lot of those people were getting blood full blood transfusions every day to keep them alive for the eight week period so he could declare victory. Then he got permission to use the drug. He walked through FDA like he does through a fixed FDA panel that's made up of his paid investigators. And then he mandated it for everybody, not only who has AIDS, but people who are deemed by PCR test to have HIV, many of whom would never get sick. And virtually everybody who was on AZT died. Most of them died within a year. Almost all of them died within two years. He killed with AZT probably 330,000 people during the 1980s and early 1990s. The other thing he did though, which is part of the playbook that you're talking about, is he suppressed all of the drugs. There were local doctors who were treating AIDS patients in New York and San Francisco and Dallas, etc. They were finding a lot of drugs that worked for the symptoms very, very effectively. Aerosol density was one of those. It had tremendous efficacy. But the AIDS patients, most of them were impoverished because they couldn't work, were unable to get it because the insurance companies would not give it to them because it wasn't approved by FDA. They were begging Tony Fauci to get FDA approval and he refused. He said we don't have for controlled trials. And so that's what the film Dallas Buyers Club is about. If people Matthew McConaughey and a lot of other people with the AIDS who discovered that AZT was killing everybody, who was who was taking it, then they were they were going to Mexico, to Canada, to Europe. They got these drugs that actually worked, smuggling them back in the United States and distributing them to AIDS patients. And Michelle Wallack, who wrote that, initially made Toni Fauci the antagonist in her script. He was the villain in the film. In the end, when they made the film, they took him out of it. He was the guy who was killing all these AIDS patients by denying them a drug that local doctors had proven worked. My uncle, as I show in the book, Teddy Kennedy, was deeply involved in forcing Tony Fauci finally to approve this other medication was the exact same thing he's done with Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, killing these drugs because they compete with the vaccines that he knows his buddies are going to make money from.

Del: You said it exactly right. He only likes a placebo based control study when he's going to use it to destroy your ability to use a product.

RFK Jr: He didn't. He didn't use a placebo for Remdesivir.

Del: No.

RFK Jr: Remdesivir was as you point out, Remdesivir was a drug that was developed by Gilead. It was actually, again, created by the National Cancer Institute, by NIH. And then and then given to Gilead, which is Bill Gates's as a huge investment. And then Tony Fauci tried it on Zika. He tried it on Ebola. And in December of 2019, remember, this is one month before the pandemic urgency is declared. It was in a trial in Africa with four other drugs where they were treating Ebola patients. Ebola patients, 50% of them die. And the Safety Monitoring Board stepped in and said, you've got to pull the Remdesivir out of the trial. I think 30% of them died after they took it for five days. They said it's too dangerous to give to Ebola patients or 50% of them are going to die.

A month later Fauci takes that drug that he knows is too dangerous to give to Ebola patients and he puts it in fake trials for COVID and he approved that for drug emergency use authorization without having a study published. With having no data that showed that it prevented a single death and he had to go in twice, fraudulently changed the study protocols to show that it reduced hospital stays by three days. He could not show that it prevented death. The W.H.O. and the Chinese then published studies almost simultaneously saying not only did it prevent death, and these were actually very powerful studies, really good studies with real placebos. They said not only does it not prevent deaths, it does not reduce hospital stays. Nevertheless, only Fauci got this drug approved. The reason he got it approved is because you could only give Remdesivir with intravenous, which means it can only be used on hospital patients, which means it would not compete with vaccines. He had to kill Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, because under the federal law, you cannot give emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an drug approved for any purpose that is demonstrated to be effective against the target disease. So if anybody had shown Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or if let's say, if Fauci had the knowledge that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine…

Del:, Clearly we have hundreds, if not thousands of studies at this point around the world showing exactly that. But he's not he's not giving it the check of approval.

RFK Jr: There are 285 studies, most of them peer reviewed, that show Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, collectively reduced hospital stays by 80%, reduced deaths by 80%, 80% of the people who died from it in this country did not need to die. And that's why we use Remdesivir in this country. We had a monopoly on it for the first year because he convinced Trump to buy 100% of the supplies. Well, that's one of the reasons we had the highest deaths, Death from Remdesivir looks like death from

COVID. It's kidney failure. It's pulmonary edema. All the things that COVID does to kill you, Remdesivir does that to kill you. So none of the doctors knew what their patients were dying of. And this is the same thing that happened with AZT. At the end of the year. the United States had 4.2% of the world's population and it has 20% of the world's COVID deaths. We have the highest body count of any country in the world.

The Chinese used early treatment, including chloroquine, which is the cousin of hydroxychloroquine to eliminate the pandemic. And in two months the pandemic was gone from China. They had used all of the things that our doctors like McCulloch and Peter Kory, MD were telling the government, “these things work”. Antibiotics and inflammatories, anticoagulants, steroids, monoclonal antibodies, all of and Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, if you use those things, it’s a manageable disease. It's like a seasonal flu. He blocked all of those things in order to make way for his vaccines. And that's what he did. And that's why the Chinese had a population death rate where three people died from COVID per million population. Our population death rate was 2200 per million. We had the worst body count on earth. I don't know how he has a job today. He has the worst record of failure of any health minister on the globe, and it was all about pushing his drug Remdesivir and vaccines.

Del: Which makes me want to challenge your original statement when I brought it up. And I know you're trying to be nice and you're trying to be objective, but you said you believe Fauci that he's got some sort of sociopathic tendencies, but that he believes he's helping people. I actually disagree with that. And reading your book and how well you laid it out I believe that I believe that probably is true about Paul Offit. I believe that's

true about Stanley Plotkin. I think Stanley Plotkin, who's the godfather of the vaccine world I think he genuinely knows I'm killing some children. He has said we're at war with nature and there's casualties to that war. But he's trying to get to a place where one day, I think Stanley Plotkin believes we'll be able to vaccinate for every illness in the world, will have beat God, will beat nature, and therefore we'll never be able to die again or some crazy thought like that. But it's well intentioned. Fauci is much different. Fauci is taking products he knows work. He sees the evidence like hydroxychloroquine, like Ivermectin. In the case where AZT was out there, many of the drugs that they were out there that we were having success with and he does the same playbook. I will not even recommend those until I see a double blind placebo study. He knows they're off patent so they can't make enough money for the pharmaceutical industry to do $100 Million double blind placebo study or whatever that would cost huge numbers if they're going to do it right. And so he knows he basically buries those treatments that would cost you pennies on the dollar. And then he supports a product like Remdesivir that he knows cause organ failure with AZT. He cut the trial short because he knew it killed people. As you said, he's giving transfusions to keep them alive and not giving transfusions to the control group so they look like they're dying.

This is a manipulative, scary, scary human being. When I read the book, I thought.when he said “the attacks on me, quite frankly, are a attacks on science” and we all laughed. What an egomaniac? It's actually true. I now recognize after reading this book that Tony Fauci is the one that embraced the scientific method. He took away all the double blind studies. He's the one using billions of dollars to hand to the universities. If they make him happy, then he'll give them another drug to work on. But if they don't make him happy, he pulls the funding. Those professors get fired, those scientists get fired because they were challenging the system. He is literally controlling the education

system. He's controlling what drugs come through the pipeline. If you don't make the Godfather happy, then you don't get your next drug sold. I mean, he is moving billions of dollars to erase scientific competition and any questioning of the orthodoxy, it's so terrifying. But beyond that, I just want to move on to one other point, because I know you've got to run. We all saw these.

RFK Jr: You have convinced me, Del. But one thing is right. He has destroyed science and he has made science a religion. And so it's all there's no citation. He never cites the study. It's all about appeals to authority. “Science is what I say it is”. And he has all these acolytes around him or depending on his funding, who genuflect to that kind of a dogma, that theology. And one of them is a good example, Peter Hotez, who is venomous, little toady for Tony Fauci, and he's actually lobbying to make it a felony, a federal crime imprisonable by more than a year to criticize Tony Fauci. Oh, and Tony is encouraging this kind of adulation and adoration by the public, and it's really bizarre that he gets away with it. He said last week, once again, “people who question me are questioning science. They're anti-science”. It's like Louis the 14th said, “I am the State” and he's saying, “I am science.”

Del: Yes. And I think he is responsible now for at least hundreds of thousands of deaths during this pandemic. I think his effect on the world, you could probably argue millions now that are being denied working probable treatments that show success around the world. AZT, throw on another half a million or so people that died that didn't need to because they were denied life saving products while he pushed a deadly product on people. But we all saw these images recently when it looked like he was really getting in hot water. Right at the moment, this gain of function conversation came up. Then all of a sudden these video images came out where he was torturing beagles. And somehow it's almost like I think he threw that out there, like, let me deal with Beagle. Torture over going to jail for crimes against humanity or being linked in some way to the release of a virus that I might have had something to do with. But this part of your book, I heard a lot of talk back then. Well, he did it to children, too, but we couldn't really find those sources. You actually dug that up. I want to get in this part of the book because I think it's critical to show how sick this world really is. [p. 471] “Between 1985 and 2005, NIAID and its former partners conscripted at least 532 infants and children from foster care in New York City. As human subjects of clinical trials, testing NIAID's experimental AIDS, drugs and vaccines, ICC in the Medical Research Center that conducted the trials received substantial payments for hosting the

experiments from both the National Institute of Health and the manufacturer of the drugs. Among those companies were Merck, Bristol Myers Squibb, Micro-Genesys, Biocine, Glaxo, Wellcome, and Pfizer. The Vera Institute of Justice, relying mostly on city ACS documents, confirmed 80 deaths and that many other children suffered serious harm. The child welfare files contained information, indicating that some children experienced serious toxicities or side effects from trial medications, such as reduced liver function or severe anemia. These toxicities were consistent with the toxicities described in published articles about the trials. Fauci pooh-poohed all those deaths, recalls Vera Sharav. *The very best thing you could say about Dr. Fauci is that he failed to get involved when problems emerged on his management watch.” You go on to list out of 532 children, participate in clinical trials or observational studies died while in 80 of the 532 died, 25 of the children died while enrolled in a medication trial. 64 children participated in 30 medication trials that were not reviewed by a special medical advisory panel. He was doing this without any purview or vision from medical authorities for ethics.

And 21 children participated in trials that the panel had reviewed but had not recommended. And then in a different section of the book, you sort of reference this again. And there was this this paragraph just ripped me apart. “If the children refuse the drugs, they're held down and forced fed. If the children continue to resist, they were taken the Columbia Presbyterian Hospital where a surgeon puts a plastic tube through their abdominal wall into their stomachs.

From then on the drugs are injected directly into their intestines. He did this to Latino children, mostly African-American children, those who had no parents. Their parents were drug addicts, were put in foster care. And he used these innocent children as guinea pigs and essentially murdered them in trials with products that already had terrible side effects and knew about it. I mean, it's so incredible. “In 2002, two children ages 6 to 12 had debilitating strokes due to drug toxicities. The six year old went blind. They both died shortly after. Another 14 year old died recently.” I mean, just indiscriminately, essentially killing children that were in poorer areas or in foster care. How is this guy still here? How have so many politicians looked the other way on this evidence that's been presented to them?

RFK Jr: Yeah. One of the worst things about those experiments now is that it turns out many of those kids, if not most of them, did not even have HIV. So there's not even a pretense that there was hidden benefit for these children, just being guinea pigs for these drugs. These kids were chosen because they didn't have parents to protect them. And the law says you can't do that. The law says if they don't have parents, the state has to appoint a guardian. And the guardian cannot allow experimentation on those kids unless there's a clear benefit from the medication to the children. And that's the only way that you can legally do it. So Tony actually made sure that none of those kids had guardians, which is illegal, and then he hid what he was doing from the boards. He took foster homes in six states and he turned over to the pharmaceutical industry. He made sure that the people who are running those foster homes did not even have medical training. Most of them are immigrants who came from the Dominican Republic and knew nothing about medicine or responsibilities and they were sickened and they realized slowly what they were involved in doing to these children, that they were torturing these children. And there's videos of these children in old BBC documentary that will make you cry. I promise you, you can’t look at these without weeping. One of these kids, a 12 year old who's trying to protect the eight years old and he has a tube in his and he's not like I tried to fight. I mean, that's what they do. If you fight them, you can't fight them. You need to just take the drugs and the kids didn't want to take them because the drugs were making them horribly sick. And Celia Farber was this amazing researcher who worked on this chapter for me and did a lot of the original research on it. She actually went up to Hawthorne, New York, to the Gates of Heaven Cemetery. She found the cemetery where Fauci was disposing of the corpses of these children who died from his illegal experiments. She found an open pit. It was actually covered by an Astroturf carpet. She opened the Astroturf carpet and she saw hundreds and hundreds of tiny little coffins stacked

haphazardly upon each other, because these are children who have no parents and nobody was there to protect them. And Tony Fauci treated them as collateral damage. And his objective was to enlarge the market for these pharmaceutical companies who he had partnered with by allowing HIV, these toxic, toxic chemotherapy drugs to be given to children. And then next experiments, which are in the next chapter, which are equally horrendous, is his experiments on Africans to try to open markets for the maternal and child transmission of AIDS. So he was giving the most toxic drugs known to humanity, to pregnant women, and their other babies, many of whom did not have HIV. To see what the tolerance levels were, in other words, not to try to help them, but to see how much they could take before their babies were born or before they would die. He is a monster.

Del: So to finish this up, really, and I know you got to run, I was amazed at how you sort of show this cycle happening over and over again, the way that he chooses the products. He denies the products would help people. There's a moment in the AIDS story where he is clearly… everyone's turned on him. Even the politicians that, I don't know if they're bought out or whatever, been on his side, they're turning on him, the entire gay community. And it looks like his days are numbered. And he does this about face. I don't want to give it away, but he really managed to sort of in his slippery way, bring everybody together in a kumbaya moment and make them think that he's going to be their savior. And he slips out and you think, how is that possible? It was so clear the death and destruction he had caused, the uselessness of his department and how dangerous he was. We find ourselves in that moment again, where it seems obvious to a growing multitude of people in this country and around the world that not only does he have the highest death rate in the greatest hospital system that's ever existed in how you can explain that, I have no idea. But we see the destruction of our use of treatments that could work instead Remdesivir that so many people are calling us and saying, my brother, my father, my mother was fine until they put her on the Remdesivir and now she's dead. Is he going to get away with this? I know you've been wanting to go after him. I feel like you want a lawsuit. This book is…I don't know if this is just your loss at the beginning of it. Is he going to get away with this because he didn't have you on his ass then and he didn't have me on his ass? Are we going to get this guy Bobby.

RFK Jr: I know you are doing this, and CHD [Children's Health Defense] is using the book as a template for litigation and we're meeting with attorney generals, we have

attorneys who are preparing the suits and you know, at some point we are going to bring Tony Fauci to justice.

Del: That's fantastic, Bobby. It's a tour de force. The real Anthony Fauci. I cannot say enough about his book. I wouldn't be telling you to get this if I didn't mean it. Get yourself a copy. Get everyone a copy for Christmas. Get your governor a copy, walk in your senator's office and say, explain this and then I will reelect you. If you do not read this or understand what's happening in our health agencies, then you will never be elected by me again. We have got to get this out to everyone. We know this is a game changer, Bobby. It is so powerful, so impactful. Every chapter ends with nearly three pages of citations, which I love, because now I can prove I can go in and find the evidence that's here in The Real Anthony Fauci. Robert Kennedy Jr. you are a hero. I am so honored to know you. The times we've gotten to work together have been highlights of my life and I look forward to the moment where we get this guy and put him behind bars because that's where he deserves to be.

RFK Jr: Thanks for everything.

Del: All right. Take care.

The Real Anthony Fauci Robert F Kennedy - Corbett Report interview November 19, 2021 https://odysee.com/@mattbralow:b/THE-REAL-ANTHONY-FAUCI-WITHROBERT-F-KENNEDY-JR:8

RFK: So I would say this is Armageddon. It is the apocalyptic forces of ignorance and greed and totalitarianism. And this is the final battle. We need to win this one. James: Welcome friends. James Corbett here. Corbett reports. In a conversation that is being recorded on the 19th of November 2021 here in Japan, and throughout the past couple of years of this generated crisis, I have received, as you might imagine, many, many requests to do some sort of deep dive or exposé on the face of this generated crisis in the United States. Anthony Fauci. But as a Canadian in Japan, I have never felt it is that I am best situated to do such a deep dive. Luckily, I can do the next best thing,

actually an even better thing. I can bring on someone who has done exactly just such an exposé and has just released that to the public. I am talking about, of course, thought criminal extraordinaire and proud member of the disinformation dozen. I say that ironically, of course, Robert F Kennedy Jr of Children's Health Defense.org who has just written The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health. Mr. Robert F Kennedy, Jr. Thank you very much for joining us on the program today.

RFK: And thank you for having me, James, and also thank you for all of your extraordinary work for keeping the public informed so that we can actually maybe restore some democracy to the world.

James: Well, I appreciate that. Let's start by talking about the sort of the cultural moment that we're in, in which I note as we're recording this conversation, it's the 18th of November there in the United States as we are talking. This book The Real Anthony Fauci, is currently the number three bestseller on Amazon right now, which people should not be lining the pockets of Jeff Bezos, obviously, but I think speaks to the fact that obviously something is happening in the zeitgeist right now where this information, speaking obviously specifically about Anthony Fauci, but in a similar way, I would say to my Who is Bill Gates documentary using Fauci as a hub from which we can explore many spokes of the crisis that we're living through right now. Obviously, people are hungry for this information at the moment. But first, can you just speak to why you decided to write this book specifically about Fauci?

RFK: But I think for the same reasons you've been exploring what we've seen over the past 20 months, a coup d'etat against liberal democracy globally. And one of the key players is kind of medical cartel and medical technocracy. There's a there's an entire coalition of what I think we are all starting to see sinister forces, pharmaceutical companies, the intelligence agencies, medical bureaucracies, social media titans and the mainstream media that are all wrapped up in the military. If I didn't mention them that are all kind of wrapped up and the obliteration of constitutional rights globally and the subversion, the use of a health crisis to impose totalitarian controls. And one of the ways they've been able to get rid of it is that it's kind of avuncular presence is the face of the technocracy, in the face of that of the militia and the obliteration of constitutional rights as avuncular, steady, authoritative medical figure. Anthony Fauci, who is and the leading pan germ of the medical establishment for 50 years, he's kind of the J. Edgar Hoover of Public Health without J. Edgar Hoover’s a bad reputation. And he has been

the trusted adviser to six presidents and is a person who is widely applauded. And his opinions, as little as his medical opinions, as little sense as they make, are treated literally as gospel by the mainstream press, the social media globally. And many, unfortunately, people of my from my political party, from the Democratic Party, who really see him as almost a demigod. And because of my peculiar history, which I have spent 40 years litigating on the issue of regulatory capture. I wrote over 500 lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and big corporations, and probably a quarter of the lawsuits that I brought have been against government agencies like the EPA that are subject to this dynamic of regulatory capture, which is very, very well documented in peer reviewed publications and the popular press. But it's the mechanism by which regulatory agencies become the sock puppet of the industries that they're supposed to regulate. They become really kind of subsidiaries of those industries. And Tony Fauci is kind of the spearhead of an agency that has experienced regulatory capture in a way that is on steroids. And part of the reason is that these unprecedented financial entanglements between the pharmaceutical companies and the agencies that they regulate that we do not see in the environmental space. EPA is a captured agency. It does the bidding of big oil, big coal, the chemical industry, the big industrial agriculture. And I spent a lot of time suing them when they did sweetheart deals to issue permits that were illegal. But in the pharmaceutical and the medical sphere, you have these financial links. For example, FDA receives 45% of its annual budget from pharmaceutical companies. The NIH has thousands of pharmaceutical patents, and the CDC spends about $4.9 billion a year out of its $12 billion budget, so about 40%, close to 40% buying and then distributing vaccines. So it really is the front man. It is the biggest vaccine company in the world. And the metrics that are used within the agencies to measure of whether or not you're going to get promoted and whether you're going to get advanced or whether you're going to get your bonuses and salary raises, almost all of them have to do with how well you promote vaccine uptake. People do not get rewarded in those agencies for finding problems with vaccines. They get rewarded for covering up problems. And then some of the agencies directly profit from vaccine sales. For example, as I said, NIH owns thousands of medical patents, including half the patent for the Moderna vaccine. So it stands to make that agency make billions and billions, Tony Fauci's agency, billions and billions of dollars, if they succeed in getting that vaccine approved and mandated, etc.. And Tony Fauci was able to choose, to designate four of his high level employees who each get individual patent shares, and they will collect $150,000 a year for life if the Moderna vaccine is approved, which it has been. So it's kind of like I said, it's like if EPA got half of its budget on the coal industry or from the oil industry, and that the amount of money that went into his budget was based upon sales of coal and oil would really contaminate, it subsume the regulatory and the mercantile impulses and the commercial impulses would subsume the regulatory functions and that's exactly what's happened.

They are no longer regulatory agencies. They are not public health agencies. They are vaccine and pharmaceutical companies. And Tony Fauci, as you know, his agency in particular no longer does public health. And he doesn't do public health. He does pharmaceutical promotions. He will never talk about the improvements in public health that have occurred since he came into office 50 years ago. And it's not a good story. We've gone from 6% of the American public having chronic disease when he entered to by 1986, he became the boss, the big boss in 86 and 11.6% or 11.8% of Americans had chronic disease and today, 54%. So, and by chronic disease, I mean neurological diseases, ADHD, ADHD speech, a language like Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, allergic disease like peanut allergies, food allergies, asthma, anaphylaxis, and then the autoimmune diseases like juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis. When Anthony Fauci took over that agency nobody had even heard of those diseases, really. You know, one in 10,000 people my age have autism, one in every 34 children, people my kids age have full blown autism. And Tony Fauci, his job is to make sure that doesn't happen find the sources of those chronic diseases. Where did food allergies suddenly appear in 1989? Why do we see all these people with celiac disease and peanut allergies beginning in that year? Why don't we see rheumatoid arthritis and juvenile diabetes? Clearly, there is an environmental toxin. Genes do not cause epidemic. They may provide the vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin and his job is to identify the toxins so that we can then eliminate it. That's what he does. And as a result, we've seen this dramatic explosion, a decline in public health. We have the worst infant mortality rate of the top 25 nations. When he came into office, we were with healthiest people. Today, we're the unhealthiest people in the industrialized world. We're 79th in terms of the overall public health metrics. We consume three times the pharmaceutical products of any other Western nation. We pay the highest prices and we are by far the sickest. And it's largely, as I show in the book, Tony Fauci is responsible. He's not the solely responsible. He, however, could have prevented the whole thing. His job was to identify those problems and lead the way to do eliminating them. And he could have done that. And that's not what he's doing. He's turned that agency into an incubator for pharmaceutical products. Between 2009 and 2016, or some 240 products approved by FDA new drugs. That all came out of his shop. He has a seven he has a $6.1 billion budget, which he distributes to colleges and universities, to drug research for various diseases. He has another 1.7 billion that comes from the military that essentially is to do bioweapons research and that's why he had to do the gain of function. He was locked into that because 68% of his personal salary comes from doing that military bioweapons research, which used to be called dual use. It's illegal for anybody to do bio weapons development and manufacturing, but there's an exemption in the 1972 Act for research and development that is for dual use, in other words, it's research that could be used for

useful for developing bio weapons, but it also is useful for vaccines. So if you can say I'm doing vaccine research, then you can do bioweapons research. Back to our bioweapons research. And that's what he did. After the anthrax attacks in 2001, the Pentagon and the CIA began pouring money into bioweapons research, and the Pentagon was nervous about doing it itself because of the ban, the prohibition on it. So those cohorts began funneling money to Tony Fauci to do it because he could legitimately say, well, I'm not really doing bioweapons research, I'm doing vaccine research. And then a bunch of his little bugs escaped in 2014 from his lab and from other people's labs. Three hundred scientists signed a letter to President Obama asking them to stop Tony Fauci. And that's when he began funneling a lot of this money to the Wuhan lab and partnering with Chinese military scientists and teaching them not only how to how to develop, how to take bat coronaviruses and make them transmissible and pathogenic and virulent to human beings. One of his chief scientists, Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina, had developed a technique called the no-see-um technique [U.S. Patent 7618802] for hiding the engineering evidence of the human engineering of those viruses. And Baric, who is funded by Fauci, then shared that research with Sheng Jin, the Chinese scientist, his Bat Lady, and was able to master the technique. These people are all publishing on this stuff and they weren't embarrassed about it and the Chinese were very, very open that this was weapons research. They didn't pretend it was vaccine research. They were like, this is weapons research and we are glad we're able to do it. And Fauci was giving them millions and millions of dollars. The biggest contributor was the CIA, which gave about $69 million through USAID to do that kind of research. And then the Pentagon through DARPA, which gave about $39 million to do that, and the three of them were all working in tandem, U.S. agencies with smaller amounts coming from Homeland Security and the other agencies, and they were teaching the Chinese how to how to weaponize bat viruses.

James: Well, let's stop for a moment because describing Anthony Fauci as the J. Edgar Hoover of Public Health is such a perfect description that I'm going to steal it, because I think it gets to the heart of what we're discussing here, which is that this man has somehow or other managed to take over a relative backwater of the Washington bureaucracy. As you point out, in 1984, who was talking about NIAID? No one, it was a nothing agency. It is now …

RFK: Because infectious disease had basically stopped causing mortalities after the Spanish flu. And the Spanish flu was not a flu as Tony Fauci himself wrote in 2008. He really documented the fact it was a bacteriological infection. So there's no reason to be scared of it anymore because it can be obliterated in two days by antibiotics. So really in this century you've seen the complete decline of infectious disease mortality. By 1980 infectious disease mortalities were such an infinitesimal threat to Americans that the Reagan administration was talking about abolishing NIAID and CDC here and in those agencies they were talking about, we got to find a pandemic in order to justify our existence. And I show in the book again and again they fabricated pandemics. They fabricated a flu pandemic in 1976 and in 2005, an avian flu pandemic, swine flu in 2009, complete fabrication. And in 2005, one person died in a pandemic and they spent $40 billion on vaccines and had mandatory vaccine programs globally. And they do this again and I show again and again. Zika was a phony, Tony Fauci, phony pandemic. Zika was completely not associated with microcephaly and he went to Congress and said, like kids to be born with small heads and he got $2.2 billion, his agency to get a vaccine and as it turns out it was no threat to anybody and definitely did not cause microcephaly. It was all fabricated. And he's done this again and again and again, the same playbook to use it to clamp down totalitarian controls and to sell pharmaceutical products that use these fake pandemics. And I'm not saying COVID is fake because it isn’t, but the response to it has not been a medical response. It's been a militarized and a monetized response that is very, very much pre-calculated. James: Well, let's get into the specifics of how this type of scare can be manipulated, because that's something that we need to wrap our minds around to understand what's happening right now. And in Chapter four of your book, in fact, several chapters deal with Fauci's involvement in the AIDS crisis and AZT and that scandal. But in Chapter four of your book, you specifically go through how the AIDS crisis that Fauci was at the helm of there in the 1980s was essentially the template for what was to come during the generated crisis of the past two years. And you talk about pumping up pandemic fears to lay the groundwork for larger budgets and greater powers, incriminating and elusive pathogen, fanning hysteria by exaggerating disease trends. Transmissibility periodically stoking waning fear levels by warning of mutant super strains and future surges, etc., etc.. There's a list of about 20 different ways in which the AIDS crisis can be seen as a template for what has happened over the past couple of years. Can you elaborate a bit about that?

RFK: One of the things that he did during the AIDS crisis, he captured, he was able to go through a struggle with National Cancer Institute because the initial signal of AIDS was Kaposi's sarcoma, which is a cancer. And so the AIDS went to the National Cancer Institute, and he was able to use studies that show that maybe it's a viral infection

caused by HIV, to get control of all that new funding. And he went up to billions of dollars and that really made him the boss. But what he did, he didn't know how to develop drugs, and the NIAID no capacity at that time to develop drugs. National Cancer Institute did, had new big labs, and it was developing cancer drugs. His agency didn't know how, so it really had to rely on a private pharmaceutical company, which is now Glaxo Wellcome-SmithKline Beecham. Welcome had a drug that appeared to kill HIV. It killed HIV because it killed everything that it touched. It was a really toxic chemotherapy drug. It was so toxic, it killed all the mice in the chemotherapy experiment and the guy who developed it actually threw it on a junk pile and didn't even bother with it because he said this can never be used. Chemotherapy, you give it for two weeks and it kills every cell in the DNA in human bodies. But you're hoping that it kills the tumor first before it kills the person. It was Toni Fauci’s idea to give that chemotherapy to people for life, which, of course, it means their life was going to be extremely short, which is exactly what happened.

And he had to shorten the experiment, the clinical trial, because within six weeks it was killing everybody and the clinical trial and the way he kept them alive was by pumping the people in the in the AZT group with daily in some cases blood transfusions and not giving the transfusions to the HIV infected people in the placebo group. Transfusions kept them alive, allowed him to claim this was a miracle drug, and he got it approved at record time. It was a rush emergency use approval. And at the end, he declares it's a fact that it's unethical to continue the trials and we're going to unblind them and give it to all the people in the placebo group, exactly what he did with the vaccines. By that time there where community doctors all over America that were finding repurposed drugs that were really effective against the symptoms of AIDS, things that actually killed people, the pneumonia and all of these other symptoms that killed people. And he had to in order to get his idea approved for emergencies, he had to kill those drugs. So he suppressed them. He punished doctors who were… he wouldn't he wouldn't allow FDA to approve any of them. He would not allow Fast-Track approval. My uncle was fighting with them and fighting with them. Ted Kennedy, who was the chair of the health committee to force him to do a Fast-Track approvals for those drugs these wonderful community doctors were using.

And what happened is people who had AIDS were quickly recognizing that AZT was killing their friends who got on it. And they were desperate to get these other drugs. And so they had these buyers clubs that popped up all over the country. And the movie Dallas Buyers Club was originally written about Tony Fauci as the villain, because he was the one that was preventing all these people from getting their hands on these

working medications because there was no profits in them for the drug industry. And so you had these buyers clubs where people are going to Mexico and they go to Europe or they go to Canada and they get these drugs and bring them back and distribute them to people. And so it's the same thing he did now with suppressing ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, monoclonal steroids all of the things that we know are very effective against COVID, anti-inflammatories, the anticoagulants, the antibiotics that work actually work, vitamin D, the zinc and all those things get suppressed. So there is only one solution. Back then it was AZT for AIDS. Today, it's the vaccine. It's always a deadly experimental drug that wipes out disease and he has to abbreviate the clinical trials and declare it's a success.That's just one of the times he's done that again and again and again and again throughout his long career.

James: Right. As you say in the book, it's a well-worn dog eared playbook that he's playing from precisely because it has worked in the past and it's continuing to work to this day. As you say, his avuncular attitude, and it sort of deflects all the criticism that never seems to really land on him. But you paint a very vivid picture in this book of a particular instance of how Fauci has wielded his power over his fiefdom to suppress dissent against him. And that was the story of Dr. Peter Duesberg. Tell people about how the career of Peter Duesberg was completely derailed by Fauci.

RFK: Well, Duesberg was probably was the most brilliant virologist in the world. He'd won more NIH awards than anybody else. He'd won virtually every award that could be won in virology. And he was clearly going to win the Nobel Prize for finding an oncogene, which is a cancer causing gene and which he discovered. And it launched an entire discipline in virology. And then he himself went back and looked at it and he said, this doesn't make any sense from an evolutionary point of view. And he wrote the paper that exploded his own theory and lost him the Nobel Prize. But he didn't care about anything except integrity. And he was really, and he is still alive, this incredible and highly, highly respected scientist. And he did not believe that the deaths that were being attributed to AIDS from 81 to 84, he did not believe that they were being caused by HIV. He believed that they were largely the result of poppers and a whole constellation of drugs, of heroin, speed, methadrine, cocaine that were part of the abstract imposed on a gay lifestyle. And if you looked at it, what he was saying is now accepted science. It's Kaposi's sarcoma, which was AIDS, is no longer even listed as a symptom of AIDS. It's now understood that it is an environmental result and that it's caused by poppers, which is Pentyl nitrite, which was a ubiquitous drug that was used in the gay community. It was sold in every gay bar. And at the end of the night, the gay bars would declare last call for alcohol, last call for poppers. It was sold in the bathhouses and the nightclubs and

everything else. And all of the people, 100% of the people originally diagnosed with AIDS were popper users. And so he, Duesberg, did this exhaustive research and published a groundbreaking paper and then became a huge critic of Fauci. And I show in my book Fauci was able to use strategically placed money, he has control of all of this research, $6.1 billion in research grants to get the universities to shut him out, to get him denied all awards, invitations to conferences, to punish his graduate students so nobody would take his courses and to destroy his career. And he succeeded in doing that. He really isolated and he made Duesberg a pariah. And he refused to debate him. He refused. He silenced him. And that's the problem. Whether Duesberg was correct or not, I don't reach a conclusion on that specifically. I don't know. But Duesberg’s arguments make a lot of sense if you read them and his book is absolutely persuasive. That doesn't mean… there were tens of thousands of articles on AIDS and HIV, and I haven't read them all, so I'm not eligible or competent to make a judgment. But what I do know is that science is dynamic and there ought to be debate. And at any time somebody says there's a consensus in science, that person is a liar and they're manipulating because the phrase scientific consensus is oxymoronic. I was part of the legal team on the Monsanto case where we won $2.2 billion. We won three cases in a row. And then we settled with Roundup. And in that case, Monsanto came to court with top scientists in the country from Harvard and Stanford, and they made very, very convincing presentations on what they said was consensus science. And then we brought all our scientists from Harvard and Stanford who were looking at the same data and coming up with a different conclusion. And under cross-examination, we were able to prove that their scientists were wrong, are right, and persuade a jury to give these huge judgments. And so medicine is about consultations, about debate. It's about conversation. It's not about one guy standing up there and say, this is the answer. And if we want good policies for everything in a democracy and we need it free flow of information and we need ideas to triumph in the marketplace. And what Fauci has succeeded in doing in this country is really shutting down debate completely. And this extraordinary capacities that he's developed, relationships with the media, the social media, and the whole army, the medical cartel and intelligence agencies to literally shut down debate on any issue that he wants to simply proclaim as truth.

James: Let's move on to another part. I know we have limited time today, and I want to cover what you talk about in Chapter seven of your book, because I'm sure everyone by this point has heard, and if not, they should at least look it up about BeagleGate, as it has been termed, and the horrific experiments on animals that were funded through Fauci's agency. But not a lot of people have probably heard about what you cover in

Chapter seven of this book, Dr. Fauci. Mr. Hyde. NIAID's barbaric and illegal experiments on children, which for me personally, as a father of two beautiful, wonderful, healthy children who I love more than life itself, this chapter was the most difficult to read through. But perhaps you can share some of this information with the listeners.

RFK: Well, it's part of a pair of chapters. One of them about his experiments on children with these novel chemotherapy drugs that they were testing out for AIDS in the United States, and then the other one on children and pregnant mothers in Africa. And they were both just equally horrific. And in the United States, the only way he got most of his experiment or he's targeted throughout his career, blacks and Hispanics for these kind of medical experiments. And in this case, he was able to get control of foster homes in seven states and essentially turn these pharmaceutical companies loose on these children. And the experiments that they were conducted were absolutely barbaric and the children were tortured. They did not have legal representation, which is illegal. They did not have guardians. You cannot put a child into a clinical trial in this country without an independent guardian. And he made sure that those kids did not have guardians and they were literally tortured to death. The children who refused, who stopped taking the drugs because they made them so sick, many of these kids did not have HIV or they were getting no benefit from these drugs. They were just being used as guinea pigs. And the children who refused or were noncompliant were sent to Columbia Hospital and had feeding tubes installed in them so that the drug companies could continue to administer the drugs even when the kids fought back. And at least 85 of these kids died during the experiments. Celia Farber was an incredible researcher who worked with me on this chapter in the book, actually found a graveyard up in Hudson Valley, north of New York City, in Hawthorne, New York. It's called Gates of Heaven Cemetery, where there was a pit. It was covered by a Astroturf carpet, and it had hundreds and hundreds of tiny coffins haphazardly piled in that pit with the bodies of these children. And we don't know where a lot of those kids came from, but we know that at least 85 of them, at least, where it came, were there were casualties of Tony Fauci's experiments. And then after New York, he took that roadshow to Africa and ended up killing a lot of pregnant mothers in Africa and getting away with it because of the power of his agency, his contacts. His whole thing fell apart at one point. But he was able to use his contacts with President Bush there, really to get him out of a jam. And I talk about that. I detail it, as you know, there's 2200 footnotes in the book. Every statement in there is sourced inside government databases or to peer reviewed publications or to good sources. So the story's incredible. I think the most poignant story in the book is in the last chapter, which is called Germ Games, which talks about the orchestrated, planned use of pandemics to clampdown totalitarian control. And it was a surprise to me. It was all new research and

nobody has seen this before. But the deep, deep involvement of the intelligence agencies and in pandemic planning, which is weird because the CIA is not a health agency. It doesn't do public health. It does coup d'etat. A lot of people know about event 21, which was this extraordinary pandemic planning event, a simulation that was put on an October 2019. It was hosted by Bill Gates and by Avril Haines who was a former deputy director of the CIA. She's now the head of the National Security Agency, the top spy in our country. And the people were it's an extraordinary group of people. They were simulating a coronavirus pandemic worldwide in October 2019. What we now know from the National Security Agency is that the pandemic almost certainly escaped from the Wuhan lab on September 12th, and it was circulating already in Wuhan a month before this pandemic took place and the Chinese knew about it. And at the simulation, it was George Gao who was the head of the Chinese CDC, and then they had representatives from the drug companies, the social media companies, the mainstream media companies like Bloomberg and The Washington Post and health agencies. And they're simulating a pandemic and they're not simulating how do you get vitamin D to people and how do you get zinc and how do you stockpile kerosene? And how do you create grids of hooks, the $11 million in the world to figure out what protocols are working and what repurposed medications are working? How do you quarantine the sick and not healthy, how to preserve the constitution? None of that was discussed. It was all how do you use the pandemic as a pretense to clamp down totalitarian controls and obliterate and deconstruct democracy? And the last simulation, which is called the seminar Floor, was all about how do you get the social media companies to censor any discussion of a lab generated coronavirus epidemic? It's pretty amazing when you like you're thinking, do they think we're stupid? What I found out in the book was that that was not a one off event, that they had probably around 20 of these events. I document, I think 14 of them beginning in 2000. They're called Operation Lockstep. It's how do you get all of the countries, all the liberal democracies in the world to pivot and turn into dictatorships overnight? And they're all, every one of them, many of them are sponsored by Gates and at Johns Hopkins population center. But all of them, the one thing they all have in common is a huge, huge presence by the CIA. And they are all orchestrated. All the scripts are written by them. They're famous people involved in many of them, Madeleine Albright, Senator Frank Church, other senators and Congressmen, Gates. And they involved hundreds of thousands of people. So they involved not only health workers, but from the utilities, from the oil companies, from the police, firefighters in all the cities around our country, Canada, the United States or Europe, Australia. And they did them all simultaneously in all these countries. And it's really chilling, I think, for people to read.

James: Yes, and I was impressed by the thoroughness of that chapter, actually. You uncovered a lot of detail about a lot of these different drills going all the way back to Dark Winter, which I'm sure my audience will be familiar with by now. But you have a lot of detail in there and how that then relates to the anthrax attacks of a few months later that were miraculously predicted by several of the people associated with Dark Winter. RFK: But the anthrax attacks happened. There were Senate hearings on the dark winter anthrax attacks. It had prepared the whole country for an anthrax attack weeks before the anthrax attack. And it turns out the anthrax attack, although they blame Saddam Hussein. and we went to war, it turned out when the FBI completed its investigations, it came from the one of three US military labs. And I talk about who the identity is of the people who were highly likely to have been involved. James: Exactly right. And you talk about the TOPOFF drills, which I haven't heard talked about since the 2000s. You even brought up, one that I had never heard of yet from Mars 2017. So I'm learning new stuff from that chapter as well. So lots and as you say, 2200 footnotes in this book. It is a treasure trove for researchers like myself, and I'm sure I will be making use of that research in my coming [Corbett] Reports. So thank you for doing that research. But let's take a look step back to sort of the bigger picture of what this book is about and what it represents because hopefully, I would sincerely hope, that this best-selling book will have an effect towards exposing Anthony Fauci and what he has been involved with over the years, the blood that is on his hands. And hopefully then, of course, prompting a resignation and a disgrace of that career. I would sincerely hope that, but I would assume that's not the end goal of all of this, because, as I'm sure you know, if you got rid of Fauci, there would be 100 many Faucis willing to take his place. So what is that end goal? What are we actually reaching towards when we're confronting this coming biosecurity state? RFK: Well listen, I talk about the Milgram experiment as to about how the intelligence agencies and agencies really develop these extraordinary techniques for using fear to disable critical thinking. And if you look at the whole rationale behind this pandemic, all of these rationales collapse when you look at them. Why are we mandating vaccines that don't prevent transmission? What is the possible reason? And that's just one of many, many absurdities of what we're doing today. But people who are subsumed in the orthodoxy, which is the product of orchestrated fear, misinformation and propaganda, need to be woken up. And you have, as they learned in the Milgram experiment, 33% of people will violate their own conscience, their own deeply held values if they're ordered to do so by a medical authority. And I was able to connect for the first time in the Milgram experiment to the CIA and to the CIA ties. And it's one of the things they learn. When you put everybody under house arrest and you impose this kind of Stockholm syndrome that makes people grateful to their captors and believing that the only way to survival is through absolute obedience and compliance. Those fear levels keep people

in this state of mass psychosis or hypnosis. And what we need to do, James, and I know this is what you've been trying to do for years in your work and me as well is just to wake people up, because, as you know, liberals in our country do not believe in censorship and they do not believe in mandatory medical products and giving things to children that are not proven to be good for them. And all of these, they don't. James: Blindly trust Big Pharma, right. Or the intelligence agencies, right. RFK: It goes against all of their values and all of their expressed aspirations of the party. And it's a war on the poor, let's face it. Many, many more people have died. And we made this deal in early 1999, globalism telling the developing world, if you hook into our economies, you start producing commodities rather than subsistence farming and we're going to lift you all out of poverty. One year we shut down a whole global economy and we tricked them into joining it. And now they can't sell any of their products. There's 100 million children around the globe that are put into starvation or a food insecurity that is going to disable them for a lifetime with malnutrition or likely to lose everything else. That functionality is a far worse tragedy, are more deaths and from the lockdown than from COVID, and they're definitely young people as opposed to older people. And where I live, the death rate from COVID in my community, which is Brentwood, is one third the death rate in Compton. So all these liberals who think they're doing the right thing by putting on masks and staying in their house, they're killing people in the poor neighborhoods who are being just destroyed by this lockdown and they're not making those connections. And what I think we need to do is to wake people back up. And once they wake up and they'll do the work for us of restoring democracy, but we need to wake them up and the other side knows the peril for them and that's why they're going out of their way to silence us, because they cannot afford to have those people woken up. It won't just be disgrace and firing for Fauci, it would be Nuremberg trials and playing rock.

James: Yes. The charges that you not only bring but document and really prosecute in this book are extremely serious. And if we take them seriously, yes, there are some serious consequences to what's coming here. So having said that, I fully agree and I'm on board with that agenda. Having said that, I opened today's conversation with a sarcastic reference to the disinformation dozen, which you've been enshrined in. Because obviously my audience, my regular audience will see that for the nonsense that it is. However, even within our movement question mark of people who supposedly would be on our side, I guarantee you there will be people, even in my own audience in, in the comment section screaming that Robert F Kennedy Jr is a controlled opposition and James is a shill for having interviewed him, not really recognizing that we are in, I think, the most profound peril towards human liberty that we have seen in our lifetime,

facing the construction of a biosecurity state that is going to undermine all of the tenets of Western jurisprudence that we have taken for granted all our lives. We are in the fight for our life, and people are busy fighting each other, more so than fighting the real enemies here. And I want to direct people to a speech that you gave at the Ron Paul Institute in Washington recently, Pandemic and the Road to Totalitarianism where you I think reach out and make that call for unity. Can you share some of your thoughts on that?

RFK: I would go even further than you, just because I think this is a historical jeopardy to humanity that we've never seen before. The Black Plague and World War II are arguably rivals for it. But I would argue that is the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity, because the essential ambition of the totalitarian state is to control, not just conduct, self-expression and thought. And for the first time in history, because of the technological revolution, the capacity for totalitarian forces to literally control every aspect of human expression and even human thought is now unprecedented. You know that Bill Gates brags that he's going to be able to watch what he has, 60,000 satellites, every square inch of the earth, 24 hours a day. At least in other parts of the history, you can run and you can hide and you could collect forces and begin an opposition and we can't do that anymore. And the Chinese have already deployed this vast array of facial recognition that claims to be capable of reading guilt on people, of looking at facial expressions from a distance and deciding whether somebody is guilty. So it's literally pre-crime. It's like Minority Report. And that's where we are today. In Hitler's time, you can run for a border. You could, there were ways that a certain number of people were going to escape and they're going to regroup. And there was opposition from other countries. And today we have this situation where the U.S. military and the CIA are conspiring with the Chinese CIA if not the Chinese CDC and military scientists developing bioweapons together and lying, conspiring to lie to the public of U.S. federal officials who we know we have communications between Fauci and the Chinese instructing him what to do and what to say in order to hide the origins of this virus. So we have U.S. federal officials who are conspiring with Chinese military officials to hide truth from the American public. And you look at Australia and Canada, these irrepressible democracies, are now totalitarian regimes where they're literally building concentration camps. So I would say this is Armageddon is the apocalyptic forces of ignorance and greed and totalitarianism. And this is the final battle. We need to win this one. James: I agree with you. This is the fight for the future of the human species, because we are at that level where totalitarianism on a scale never before imaginable is now not only imaginable, but is being implemented. And if we spend our time fighting with each

other, then we then we lose and we can't afford to lose this. So I really hope that people will understand the gravity of the situation. And I think you lay out a good chunk of that in this book. It's ostensibly about Anthony Fauci. But as I say, that is just the hub from which you can explore many different spokes. Finally, before I let you go, I would be remiss in my duties if I did not ask you about something that's in the news at the moment. I'll note a couple of years ago, myself and James Pilato of MeteorMoney.com were covering on New World next week an Instagram post that you made in which you were talking about the compelling evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was not the murderer of your father, but it was Thane Eugene Caesar. And I will link to that edition of Neural next week if people are interested. But obviously right now, as we are recording this conversation, I believe Sirhan Sirhan is still waiting to hear whether or not he is going to be granted parole. What are your thoughts on that?

RFK: Sirhan Sirhan obviously took some shots at my father, but it's also very clear that he did not fire the shots that killed my father. And anybody even looks at the art. And Thomas Noguchi, who's a classic coroner, iconic author who did not believe that Sirhan could have killed my father. There were 77 eyewitnesses in the kitchen. Sirhan was six feet in front of my father at all times. He fired two shots at my father. For both of them we know what happened. One of them hit the UAW leader in the head who's still alive and fighting for Sirhan because he knows that Sirhan did not kill my father, my father's closest friend. The other one hit a doorjamb behind my father and was later recovered by the police and then destroyed. Sirhan was then grabbed by Rosey Greer, Rafer Johnson and four other men and created a dogpile. They put his arm behind him and they could not get the gun out of his hand like a superhuman strength. And he fired six other bullets and emptied the chamber. All those bullets hit people, so all the shots are accounted for. My father was shot by four bullets from behind. One went through his shoulder pad. One went into his neck, his spinal cord. One was fired directly behind his ear, into his head, and one into his back. The ones that went through his body were fired at an upward trajectory and went into the ceiling, the one lodged in his brain. And we have that and we know it does not match his guns. Thomas Noguchi's autopsy found that which was is called in the medical literature, the perfect autopsy, because he did not want to happen to my dad what had happened in Dallas where everybody had questions. He flew in the best coroners from all over the country to sit in the theater, including the chief coroner from all the armed services, each one of the services, the Marines, the Army, Navy, Air Force to sit in the theater and watch him. And what he found was that all four of those shots were contact shots. In other words, the barrel of the gun was touching my father's skin or clothing. They each left carbon tattoos and his skin, and that whoever fired those shots was standing directly behind my father holding the gun against him. And the man who was in that position was huge, intense. Taser

was the security guard who had my father's elbow and who directed them toward the table where Sirhan was. Sirhan was clearly a distractor and everybody was looking at Sirhan. And while these shots were fired, as my father must have known that Caesar was shooting him because he turned and pulled off Caesar’s clip on tie and he turned slightly, always facing Sirhan. As he fell and fell, he had Caesar’s tie in his hand. He fell on Caesar and when Caesar got up. He was seen by a dozen witnesses with his gun out. He later claimed that he had pulled the gun out to fire at Sirhan, but he's changed that story again and again and again and he disposed of the gun and lied about it. And Lisa Pease when she did her book [A Lie Too Big to Fail] on my dad this year, which is a wonderful book. It made some controversial allegations, but I think her research is really impeccable. And she was able to find employment applications of Caesar in which he admits that he worked for the CIA. His ostensible job was at the Lockheed plant in Los Angeles. He had gotten the security job a couple of days earlier. And he had been the one who directed my dad toward Sirhan. Oh, and as you know, the police collected all the photographs that were taken in that room that night, 2800 photographs, and destroyed them before the trial, before Sirhan's trial. They switched bullets to make it appear that the bullet that killed my father was from a fake thatwas fired from a gun in their repository and the LAPD police that were specifically assigned to investigate his death were all CIA people who had been pulled out of service in Latin America and brought up to serve on this special unit. And it was called Special Unit Senator and they did a cover up.

James: They certainly did. At the very least, there is no doubt that there was a cover up involved. And I will you raise Lisa Peace's new book, which I know about. I haven't read, so I will read that and hopefully get her on to talk about the case in more detail. But I wanted to bring people up to date on that. Obviously, again, as we sit here recording this conversation, Sirhan Sirhan is potentially going to be released on parole, so obviously in the news at the moment. Other than that, most importantly for today's conversation, how do people get a copy of this new book, The Real Anthony Fauci? And please don't say Jeff Bezos and Amazon.

RFK: I will not. The best place you can get it from our point of view, is from your local bookstore. You can do that by walking in or you can go online. Most of them have online presences, but the reason that's important is because The New York Times does not pay attention to, we need to get on The New York Times list, which we should, because we sold a huge and unprecedented number in the first week. So we should if The New York Times is on, as they put it, as a number one bestseller. But they do their list in a strange way, which is they base it on sales, not on Amazon, but on independent

bookstores. So if you can buy the book from an independent bookstore, it is going to help us a lot. And we actually have a list on our website on Children's Health Defense website of the stores that are the best ones to purchase it from. And it's like the Harvard coop and that wonderful bookstore in Portland. I forgot the name of it, but it's I've been there many times, but the sort of well-known independent bookstores around the country, that's the best place you can do. But if you want to know what you can do for the resistance right now, buy a copy of the book. I make no money on the book. I donate all my profits to the Children's Health Defense. But we need people to read the book. We need the media which shuts us out on everything else to have to acknowledge that this is a bestseller and that people are reading it and that there is an alternate story narrative out there that people are interested in and force the mainstream media to confront that fact. And the best way to do that if you have family members who don't agree with you like me, if friends don't agree with you, one of the things that you can do is to send them this book for Christmas. And next time they disagree with you, just say, have you read that book? So it's something everybody can do. And I know we have a lot of overlapping friends, and you've been out there longer than anybody and you've educated a lot of the world James and I have a really deep, deep gratitude for you, for everything you've done, that deep, deep level of research. But more important than anything else, your reliability as a researcher, I really have tremendous respect for your precision and your discipline about making sure that what you write about is as close to truth as we can that is that available. And I think all of us at our best are engaged and search for existential truths and people right now have their minds clouded by fear, by propaganda. And you are really you're a beacon of clarity in a world that is filled with confusion and lies right now. Oh, thank you.

James: Well, I very much appreciate those words. I am just a flawed human being doing my best, but I do my best to be accurate when I can be. So I do very much appreciate that acknowledgment. And I will, of course, direct people once again to Children's Health Defense, where obviously not just your work, but the work of teams of researchers and writers are doing diligent efforts that we often highlight on New World next week. So I will direct people there and to the book itself. I think we'll leave today's conversation there, but hopefully we can have you back on in the future to continue talking about this. The most important event of our lifetime. Robert F Kennedy, Jr. Thank you for joining us today.

RFK: Thank you very much, James.

Pandemic and the Road to Totalitarianism

Ron Paul Institute public talk by RFK Jr https://archive.org/details/robert-f-kennedy-jr-at-ron-paul-institute-conference-onpandemic-and-the-road-to

Moderator: I'm not going to make a long introduction to this next individual. We all know him as a true modern day hero going against the tide, not afraid, fearless and we are so grateful that he's agreed to join us. Robert F Kennedy Jr.

RFK Jr.: Thank you, everybody. I want to thank all of you stalwarts for coming here. And I want to thank particularly Ron Paul for hosting you, for keeping the flame for his lifelong commitment to civil rights, to its constitution. And there are many, many areas of differences in our political opinions over the past 40 years that both of us have been in politics. Both of us share that reverence for the Bill of Rights. I think ultimately it's that retreat fortress where all of us are holding up. I want to talk about the thing that we have in common, which isn't the Constitution. I gave a speech in, I think last August was the beginning of the pandemic. I talked about Hermann Göring's observation at Nuremberg

where he was on trial and he was eventually executed. He said at the time, he didn't say Nuremberg transcripts. He said in a private conversation with a psychologist called Gilbert, who was given access to the prisoners. And that discrepancy, by the way, has been exploited by the modern propaganda juggernaut. I think these fact checking organizations, which of course, are funded by Bill Gates, by Facebook, by the medical cartel, by the State Department, saying that he never said these words at Nuremberg.

But, and it's true, he didn't say them in the transcript of Nuremberg. They were recorded by Gustave Gilbert. And what he said is--Gilbert said to him “how did you do this to the German people?” And he [Göring] started explaining all their propaganda techniques. And Gilbert interrupted him and said, “that couldn't happen in a democracy because there's free choice, there's critical thinking”. And he said, “You can do this in any system. It doesn't matter whether it's democracy or monarchy or communist system or a fascist system. All you need to do is invoke fear. You tell the people that they are under attack that you're the only one who can save them. Anybody who disagrees with you is a threat to the Commonwealth. And they will do anything that you tell them to do.”

Hitler was democratically elected by the most well-educated people on the planet, the highest level of education and some of the most tolerant people in Europe at that time. The reason there were so many Jews in Germany is because Germany was very bad at the Jews long before Hitler, much less bad than the Eastern European countries like Spain or the other countries from which they fled to come to Germany. And so you had a people that historically were tolerant, open minded, questioning and critical, and probably the public was the strongest democracy in Europe.

And Hitler was elected. He did not take over. He was elected by people. He had 3% of the vote in the previous election. And then he won the majority and because he was able to manipulate the use of fear. And we've seen one of the alarming parts of this pandemic for those of us who are little conversant with the kind of medical paradigms that are being invoked right now, to understand with such clarity the manipulations that are taking place, the chicanery, the hiding of real data obscuring of all of these of true facts and figures that we could use to make rational policy decisions. How do case fatality rates relate to the seasonal flu for each age group, who is dying, at what age, who is not, who is what are the real death counts from COVID? CDC has admitted that of 96% of the people, only 4% of the people who are characterized, who it classifies as having died from COVID, died from only COVID at the average number of potentially fatal co-morbidities. The remaining 96% is 3.8. The people who died, 96% of them died

for other reasons that might have killed them. And the manipulation of the death certificates, the manipulation of the PCR test, all of these manipulations that are all designed, the AIDS funded projection from the London and from NIH and Washington, which they use to manipulate the lockdowns, which we now see were 40 times the death rate that actually was imposed by COVID.

So all of these mechanisms appear to have been deliberately manipulated to put our population in a state of fear. And what happens when you have a population in fear? You have the complete obliteration of critical thinking. And then people stop asking questions. And it is a biological impulse. We retreat to the hardwired impulses, hardwired into us during the 20,000 generations that the human race was wandering, the African savanna and small tribes, tribal groups at war, embattled, besieged all the time. And the only way to survival was to follow a strong male leader, to embrace a common orthodoxy that would provide unit cohesion, and then to practice blind obedience to the leader. And that's where we all go in times of fear, unless we have something else that says to us, “I'm going to question this. I'm going to start questioning these things.” And when you start doing that with your orthodoxy, the official orthodoxy is the whole thing falls apart. But we've all seen this kind of bewildering imposition of totalitarian controls in our society, which we've never seen, and attacks on the United States Constitution that are unprecedented in American history. Remember during the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln tried to end in habeas corpus, just one provision of the United States Constitution. The court said, you can't do that. There is no emergency exemption in the United States Constitution and there's certainly no pandemic exemption. And it's not that our framers did not know about pandemics. It was a pandemic during the Revolutionary War of smallpox that brought the armies of New England to a standstill for three months, and they all knew about it. And it was another pandemic during the American Revolution of Malaria and Washington. ironically used the Janjaweed tree, which is the modern analogue of hydroxychloroquine to end that pandemic. And so they knew about what pandemics were, but they didn't put the United States Constitution and all of these rights will be suspended as soon as we have a pandemic. James Madison said the reason we put the right to free speech in the First Amendment is because all of the other civil rights and human rights and constitution rights are based upon it. If a government can hide what it's doing by censoring its opponents and silencing dissidents, it has license to do anything that it wants. So they conspired with the social media and the media. We now have the emails that show Fauci corresponding with Zuckerberg, telling him what to shut down and what not to shut down. And they shut down the critics. And once they did that, once they imposed

censorship and they closed debate off on the public square, they were able to go after all the other amendments. So they went after religious freedoms. They closed the churches in this country, every church in this country for a year and they kept the liquor stores open as essential businesses. There's no there's no protection of liquor stores in the United States Constitution. There is protection of churches. And they abolished religious exemptions. They got rid of jury trials. One of the first things that they did, the Seventh Amendment right to jury trial, seventh Amendment says under no conditions will Americans be denied their right to a trial by their peers in matters exceeding $25 in value. And yet anybody who claims, any corporation that claims to be implementing a countermeasure is now immune from lawsuits. No matter if a vaccine maker, Remdesivir maker, no matter how negligent that company is, no matter how reckless their conduct, no matter how grievous your injury or death, you cannot sue them. And that, again, is novel in American history. All these companies now and I saw it yesterday in the Theranos lawsuit that the judge has banned unvaccinated jurors. And that ultimately, we all know, is a political implication. You're getting rid of all the black jurors. 70% of blacks are unvaccinated and you're getting rid of any juror who knows how to do critical thinking. Rights of association and rights of assembly, telling us we had to social distance from each other. We can't gather in crowds. Imagine this. They got rid of property rights. It closed every business, a million businesses in this country without due process and without just compensation in direct violation of the Constitution, of due process, notice and comment rule making. We know how you pass rules in this country. In a democracy, Congress can pass rules. It can vote, it can deliberate as they see fit. A regulatory agency cannot do that and an executive cannot do that because the courts and we all were frightened to death. We're creating these unelected officials. We have to have some democratic control. I've been suing people for 40 years, governments, the EPA, the Interior Department and all the state EPA's are doing kind of regulatory favors for industry without going through the regulated process. Here's what you have to do when you pass a regulation. You have to propose a rule. You have to publish a proposed rule. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to get everybody to wear masks. You have to publish an environmental impacts and a regulatory impact statement, an economic impact statement saying, here's the science that we use to support that rule. Here's the justification for it. Here's the people who will be hurt and the financial cost of those people and other costs. Here are the groups. Here are the advantages and the benefits of that rule. They all have to be quantified and they have to give the public a chance to comment, notice and comment.

The public then writes and it says, “Wait a minute, I run a wilderness kayaking group you're going to put out of business and destroy. And there's no reason to mask. There's no science says that masks in these outside settings are going to help. Why don't you examine my business?” Every business has a right to write in and say, or we can do this, we can do that, we can mitigate the risks. So let's change the rule to accommodate that so it's as narrowly tailored as possible as the law requires. None of that happened. And you have a public hearing where Tony Fauci brings in all of his science. That's the same as work, none, and all of his scientists that he relied on. And he is not going to be able to find one because we will destroy them in depositions and embarrass and humiliate them. And we get to cross-examine them. And I cross examined hours and then the administrative law judge rewrites the rules according to so that they aren't arbitrary and capricious and then recommends them. And if they don't reflect the evidence, we can sue the agency. So there's all these democratic protections. All of that was waived. All of these things were imposed upon us by fiat, with no discussion, no science cited. And also all this track and trace surveillance is violating our right to not have warrantless searches and seizures.

You go through the entire Bill of Rights and with one exception, that the Second Amendment, they have all been obliterated. And the weird thing to me is I grew up in a liberal milieu where everybody I knew was saying, one thing we got to do is protect the Constitution and have my side, even ones who are advocating censorship and these kind of controls and the erosion and subversion of our traditional Bill of Rights is really, it is surreal. And we all read Kafka when we were growing up. We all read Orwell, we read all these Robert Heinlein, all of these stories, these parables about the imposition of totalitarianism. All of us knew what right was from wrong. And it's hard to see how people have forgotten those things. One of the things, and I'm writing this book now, about to publish this book on Anthony Fauci and part of my journey in writing that book, it's taken me over a year of really intense research, was it took me kind of an eye journey to try to explain how this could have happened in America. And one of the things that I discovered during this process is what's happening now, this lockstep imposition of totalitarian controls, not just in America, but in every one of the liberal democracies in the world and all of the other countries in the world. China moved into Hong Kong and banned the last Democratic newspaper. And everywhere in the world we see these we see liberal democracy and constitutional rights disappearing. And it all happened at once as if it was planned. And I don't

consider myself a conspiracy theorist. And it's tough to imagine how anybody could have planned this. But then I stumbled on these simulations, and many of you saw this simulation that took place Event 201 in October of 2019. So we now know that the virus was began circulating around September 14th. And so this took place after the virus was already circulating in Wuhan. And the people who took part in that simulation were the deputy director of the CIA, Avril Haines, who's now the number one person in control of the National Security Agency under Biden. Bill Gates, of course, who financed it, people from the social media groups, people from the biggest pharmaceutical companies, Johnson & Johnson, people from global PR, corporate PR agencies and health officials from all over the world, including the Chinese. And what were they simulating? They weren't simulating a pandemic. They weren't simulating a medical response to that pandemic. They were simulating a militarized response. How do you use that pandemic to particularly in that Event 201 to impose censorship globally? And that's what they were modeling. And if you go look particularly at episode four, it's all about, and oddly, their preoccupation was, how do we stop people from talking about the fact that this virus may have been lab generated and released? So they're talking about that in October 2019. And I'm not making this up. You can go to the simulation and see this. How do we shut these people up? George Gayle, the head of the Chinese CDC, is saying we need to stop people from talking about that issue. But as I looked at that issue, I found that there was another one called SARS where they did the same thing. They're not talking about how do you quarantine the sick and care for them. Instead, they're how do you lock down the healthy? Something never been done in history. How do you force people to wear masks? How do you force people to comply with social isolation? How do you bring in the military? How do you silence all dissent? And we're talking about how do you get people to take vitamin D and how do you build their immune systems and tell them don't lose weight to exercise? 80% of the people who die were overweight. And it was probably a lot more than that because they were counting people who died from lightning strikes and car crashes. And how do you develop therapeutic drugs off the shelf? Therapeutic drugs! The most obvious thing to do to is to create a communications system between among the world's 11 million doctors, people that are frontline treating the disease so that every successful treatment protocol is called in and other people are given the opportunity to repeat it and then ways to assess which ones are working, which ones aren't and really rapid.

Let's keep controlled trials in hospitals all over the world and to create field clinics where you're treating people who are not sick but are infected, so they never have to go to the hospital and develop protocols so they never have to leave their homes. So you want to avoid hospitalizations, one, because that's the reason they gave for shutting down society, two. If you can treat somebody before they leave their home. Every time somebody leaves their home who's sick and going to the hospital really sick, that is a superspreader event. That person is spreading the disease to Uber drivers, to doctors and nurses, to family members, to people on the street. You want to treat them at home. To give them the things that we know kill, viral replication, zinc and anything that enhances zinc, like hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin and 100 other remedies that we now know dramatically reduce the spread of this disease. And what was our [Event 201] protocol? Our protocol is to do none of that, no treatment until you go to the hospital. Then your treatment are two things that are bound to kill you, ventilators and Remdesivir. And Tony Fauci knew that Remdesivir would kill you. He knew that because in 2019, he tried to use it for Ebola. In 2019 he tried it and within five days of treatment, it gave lethal side effect to 54% of the people and the Safety Monitoring Board ordered him to terminate the use of that drug. And he threw a phony, contrived, absolutely fraudulent story that he manipulated and orchestrated that drug be made a standard of care. It is homicide. And if you look, how does it kill people? Three ways, kidney failure, heart failure and all organs collapse. And what happened to the people who died in the pandemic? What were they dying of? Kidney failure? All the doctors said, you heard it again and again. We've never seen a virus that attacks the kidneys, because it wasn't the virus. It was the Remdesivir. And he denied them deliberately, purposely access to the things that we know work, because 248 studies show they do, which is Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and all the others, even monoclonal antibodies which they know work. They denied all the people that were in the nursing home where they could have given it to them. So something about this smelled. It was it was suspicious and weird from the beginning. But what I found during the course of my research is that those simulations were not just confined to Event 201 and SARS. I found over a dozen of them where they did them at least once every two years from beginning in 2000. Most of them were top secret. But they involved hundreds of thousands of people. They were doing these simulations with all the police forces, many of the big city police forces in our country, with frontline doctors and nurses, with medical officials, with big corporate officials from the energy industry, from the medical cartels, from the pharmaceutical industry. And they were involving not just the United States, Canada, Mexico and all the nations of Europe were all participating secretly and drilling this again and again and again.

And if you look at the techniques that they were using. Here's some things they had in common. Virtually every one of those simulations involved representatives from the CIA. And the scripts for them were written by people associated with the intelligence agencies. Almost all of them had a well-known American or European leader. Heads of Denmark, Sweden, Sam Nunn, Madeleine Albright, Gary Hart would be at the head of them. And that gave them kind of an imprimatur of gravitas and legitimacy. So all of these frontline workers who are being asked to do weird things, not your patients, but sensing people, they all now have in their head, this is what you do with a pandemic. This is a legitimate way to respond to the pandemic, the only way to respond. It's not to make people better. It's not to treat their illnesses. It's not to keep them alive. It's to clamp down. It's totalitarian controls. I wrote a book about my family's 60 year battle with the CIA. It's called American Values. And in researching that, I went out and purchased at great cost, some of them cost me thousands of dollars, the CIA manuals for manipulating large populations. And they wrote a series of manuals for the techniques that are useful when the intelligence agencies want to go into another foreign policy arena, go into an indigenous society to destroy local businesses, to isolate, destroy institutional structures, destroy social structures and social relationships, to obliterate the economy, to create chaos, to then create enough people in that country who will allow a foreign entity to come in and clamp down centralized control. And almost all of the techniques that are outlined in those manuals are the same techniques that they were practicing it simulations, simulations year after year after year with hundreds of thousands of people. And, for example, in the CIA manual the CIA conducted these well-known programs were called by various names. Operation Artichoke, MK-ULTRA, etc., in the late fifties, sixties and seventies, and we developed ways of manipulating human beings on an individual basis and on a mass basis. And the most potent technique, incidentally, that they learned again and again and more potent than physical torture was isolation. If you can isolate people and they did this the sensory deprivation tanks, but also just locking people in solitary confinement. You can get them to do almost anything you want after a certain period of time, it will drive them mad because social animals, we’re social beings. And when you tear that social fabric, it makes people desperate, fearful and obedient to do anything. Another technique is called Stockholm Syndrome, which is a way of putting individuals or large parts of humanity on lockdown for long periods of time. And it induces a kind of mass psychosis that makes them grateful to their captors, makes them empathize with their captors, renders them obedient, believing that obedience is the only path to salvation, absolute obedience, and it obliterates critical thinking.

During this period, the CIA was funding these kinds of studies at many, 149, universities, including McGill University in Canada, Universities at Berkeley, Harvard, Columbia, many, many others all around our country, and even some universities in Central America, Guatemala, etc.. And they were using prison populations, they were using military people, they were using the subjects from mental institutions, people who were expendable, whose disappearance would not be noticed. We don't know exactly which of these projects were funded by the CIA because that was never released in the family jewels disclosures in the 1970s when these investigations were done and all the material was subsequently destroyed, or most of it. But there were these mind control experiments that all the colleges and one of the ones that almost certainly was funded by the CIA, scholars believe, is an experiment called the Milgram experiment. Many of you have heard of Milgram experiment, and you can look this up. As a young psychologist or social scientist called Stanley Milgram, and he recruited subjects from every walk of life blacks, whites, the cross-section of America, factory workers, construction workers, university professors, students, etc., housewives. And he would put them the subject in a room and set them at a table where they would twist a dial and the dial would supposedly administer electric shocks to a person sitting in the next room who they could not see. They could hear the screams and the pleading and the crying, the agony that they were causing and the begging. And they had a guy who was dressed as a doctor in a white lab coat who was telling them, turn it up higher at different intervals. And many of the people who were turning it up were crying because they didn't want to do it, because it clashed with their essential values. It clashed with their conscience. They had to override their conscience. And the doctor would order them to do it. We'll tell you this, at 67% of the people of the Americans who are liberal or conservative, etc., who were told to do that, turned that dial up to 450 volts where it said on the dial, “potentially fatal”. So they were willing to kill somebody if a doctor told them to do it. And that's a really important lesson for today, because what did they have? They don't have science. They don't have any success. Tony Fauci gave us one of the worst, the worst record arguably in the world, preserving life. We have 5% of the population in the world and 25% of the deaths in the richest country in the world. How is that possible? We have 1600 per million die in our country. There's African countries where they take hydroxychloroquine once a week where they had one in a million die. That’s a thousand times greater than these poor countries that, at first, they were telling us were going to bear the brunt. Here are the people who are going to need the most help and they don't want our help because they're doing it right.

And so we have a doctor with a worse track record, a doctor who came in in 1968 when 6% of the American public had chronic disease, which he's supposed to prevent allergic and immune diseases, autoimmune diseases which he's supposed to prevent, and today under his watch 54% of our children have those diseases. He has failed upward his entire career. [loud applause] And so he's telling us here's what you've got to do. He has a schoolboy's allergy to citation. He never tells us. Here's the science that says this. He just says, this is what the science says. And one day, the science says masks don't work and two months later it says, strap on two of them. There's no science cited. Lockdowns work, no science. And so all of my colleagues in the Democratic Party are saying what? We've got to trust the experts. But that trusting the experts is a function of religion, not science. Science is about skepticism. It's about questioning. It's about cynicism. It's about not believing anything you're told. It's about showing me the evidence. I was on the trial team that tried the Monsanto case. And in the Monsanto case, Monsanto came in with the greatest experts in America, people from the Harvard School of Public Health, etc.. My wife, who is not an attorney, came and sat in on the trial one day when Monsanto had its experts. At the end of the day, she said,”why are you even doing this, this poor company? Why are you abusing them to me?” And I said to her, “Wait till tomorrow when we cross-examine them.” At the end of that day, she said, “What a bunch of liars.” So every case, I've been involved in 500 lawsuits, and every one of them involves the defendants. The corporations come in with their experts and we come in with ours. And in this case, we had Harvard experts, too. And in the end, the jury believed our experts and they gave us $2.2 billion. So this idea that you trust the experts, it's an oxymoron. There's no such thing. Every major medical theory, whether it's heliocentrism or evolution, it started out as a minority position that was ridiculed and gaslighted and laughed at and marginalized, and then it was accepted as fact. And so we need to respect each other's opinions. We need to respect critical thinking, and we need to be nurturing that, not silencing it. And yet we have these political lists. And when you go to your doctor and he tells you you've got a big problem and I need to do surgery on you, what do you do? You say, I want a second opinion. And we should be doing the same thing with Tony Fauci. By the way, there are many medical experts out there who are saying the opposite to him. There’s Peter McCulloch and Peter Berg and Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale. And I can go on, Ryan Cole, all of these people who actually treat COVID patients and save their lives and are achieving results with those patients that Tony Fauci never dreamed of that we could have. And they are all saying 80% of Americans who died did not need to die if you had done these commonsense, proven protocols and that's what they're saying. And what is the

response? It's not debate. It's not let me see your evidence. It's these people are dangerous. They need to be silenced. And that's not America. What all of us need to understand is that our country is under attack right now. We have lost, as you know. What is our country? Is it just a place where you can come and accumulate a big pile for yourself and whoever dies with the most stuff wins? Or is it the landscape? Is it the Purple Mountains Majesty? Is it the population, the diversity, etc.? It's all those things. But more than anything else, it's our Constitution. It's the statement of shared values. It holds us all together as a people. And we're saying to the rest of the world, we believe something in our country more strongly than anybody else believes, which is that we have to love our liberties more than we fear a disease. [loud applause] What I tell my children who have sometimes questioned me. I've said to them because they hear CNN all the time and they read The New York Times. And they say, well, this is going to kill people. And I say there's a lot worse things than dying. And that may seem cold, but there was a generation of Americans in 1776 who said, you know what, it's worth dying to give my children and their children and their children a bundle of rights that will guarantee them liberty forever. And so they laid down their properties, their livelihoods, their lives to provide us with that constitution, which we have given away for free to a lying doctor in one year after 200 years of preserving it. And we need to understand that these are things that we need to be fighting for right now. I've told people for many, many years. People have come to me, famous actors and athletes, and said I don't want to challenge the vaccinated protocol because it's going to destroy my career and doctors. And I've always said to them, well, there is ways to work around it, to be part of the battle without sacrificing your livelihoods. The time has come now where we all have to stand up and we all have to be committing civil disobedience every single day peacefully. And that means when you see somebody with a baby walking by, you tell them, don't give a COVID vaccine to that baby because baby has no chance of dying of COVID and they have a big chance of getting injured from vaccine. And we provide cards that talk about the facts and you can get those. You can hang them out, you can put them in restrooms, you can put them on bulletin boards. You can tell your doctor to his face. Show me the evidence. You can be confrontational with people. You can be gentle. You can say what you mean without saying it mean. But you need to start talking back and you need to start talking up. And the more people that do that, you know what? There's a lot of converts coming over to our side. There's no converts going over to their side. And the way that they have robbed people of critical thinking is by repeating the same message over and over and over again. And there is peer reviewed evidence that shows that works, advertising works. That's why it's a $100 billion industry. If you repeat a message, no matter how ridiculous it is again and again, people tend to believe. The way that you shatter that paradigm and that orthodoxy by repeating the opposite

message, the truth, and letting somebody hear that when they're out on their morning walk and they're walking their baby in the stroller through the grocery store. When they're in the doctor's office listening to the doctor fire you while you talk back to him and making trouble everywhere you go and standing up, because people are going to hear you and then they may not convert at that point. They hear that two or three times. And they're going to say, maybe I ought to look into this. You know what happens when you start looking into this? It's down the rabbit hole and you're like, Holy crap, I can't believe what they did to us. So anyway, I want to thank all of you. We are fighting now. This is the American Revolution all over again. It started out with a small group of people. And it wasn't just a revolution where people gave their lives for this country. And the Civil War is 669,000 people died to preserve our nation and they gave up their lives with great bravery. And we need to now be willing to give up something, to make sacrifices and to win this battle against these elites and these globalists who are trying to take away everything that is meaningful to us, our freedoms, our pride in our country. And I can say to you, I'm very proud to be in this room with all of you. You know what the Milgram experiment showed at 67% of the people in this country, your neighbors, good Americans will allow their conscience to be overridden, will trample their own values if they're told to do so by a voice of authority, and particularly by a doctor and a medical coat and the people, the 33% that didn't are the people sitting in this room. And you need to be proud of the fact that you are not in that group that electrocuted somebody. My father told me when I was a little kid, he read The Diary of Anne Frank to me and my siblings. And he said people kept saying at that point in history, a lot of people were talking about the Nazis and what how the German people, this could this have happened to them. And my father said this is not anything to do with Germans. We all have this disease. They can do this to any of us. And he said, “You kids need to ask yourself if this ever happened in the United States, would you be the people who hid Anne Frank or would you be the people who turned her in?” And you guys have all answered that question. You're the ones who would have hidden Ann Frank. And you need to be proud of that. You kept your values, your critical thinking when they were under terrible, ferocious assault. And what I will pledge to you is that I am proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with all of you and with my friend Ron Paul and fight this battle, the second American Revolution. And I can tell you right now, I do not know whether we're going to win or lose. And I can tell you the only thing I can control is a little piece of real estate inside my own shoes. And I can tell you that whatever happens, I will go down fighting and that I will die with my boots on. Thank you. [wild applause]

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Jerm: My name is Jerm. This is germ warfare. The Battle of Ideas. Katherine Fitts, Robert Kennedy, thank you both for joining me in the trenches. And God bless both of you for the amazing work that you both have been doing.

Bobby: Thank you.

Catherine: Thank you.

Jerm: Bobby, when you and I last spoke, you were just about to launch your book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It has done phenomenally well. Congratulations on that. I believe there's a French version coming out.

Bobby: Yes. I think this week we release the French version, the English versions have surpassed a million sales and sales in all formats last month and that's without any reviews in major publications. It's a complete boycott on advertising and promotion. I'm very, very pleased with how it's gone and the strong support that we've gotten from the community.

Jerm: It's a phenomenal book. I mean, it's like an encyclopedia. You have this immense, immense amount of citations.

Bobby: Yes. There's 2200 citations, I want it to be one of those things I avoid is to look into people's heads. I don't say this is what Tony Fauci was thinking or what Bill Gates was thinking. I don't speculate about those. Everything factual assertion in that book is cited and sourced and we added a QR code, which I think is the first time ever been done, where people can actually read, focus on that QR code in the footnotes, can actually read the citation in real time. And we've also made a pledge that if people do find errors in it, that we will immediately correct them. We have opportunities to do that because I think we've now had 13 editions. We’re about to publish a new two volume edition, and it's a lot easier to read and it has an index in it. People should know this because we weren't we were literally not able to fit an index into the book. We printed the cover early and by the time I finished writing, it was about twice as long as we expected. And so we had to do a lot of tricks that are not as aesthetically pleasing in order to fit all those words between those two covers. And we just didn't have the room for an index. So we do have an index on the CHD website so people can use that index. Most people who read the book are not going to figure that out. And the next edition will have an index in the book, actually, which I think is going to be helpful to people.

Jerm: I was laughing there because when you said QR code, I think Catherine's jaw went out of joint.

Bobby: Yes, well, it's not that kind of QR code.

Catherine: I know.

Jerm: Katherine, you said you read the book in one day.

Catherine: Yes, I didn't intend to do that. I got ten copies and it came in on a Friday. I was curious and I thought, I'll just read a little, but I was assuming that I knew most of it and so it would be quick. And I read the first chapter and I just couldn't stop. I went all day and this is a very intense book. There are a lot of footnotes. There's a lot of data. There's a lot of facts. It's very well written and it's much easier to read despite how heavy the topic is and the density. But for me, it was like a mystery novel. I couldn't put it down. It's a true crime thriller. This should be number one, not only in current events or geopolitics, but number one in true crime. It is a true crime story. So it helps you understand what has been happening in America and what is happening to people's health. I call it the greed poisoning. And it's one of the best pieces of documentation that there is a great poisoning and it's not an accident. There is a lot in there that I had no idea of, despite all the research and reading that I've done. Another thing, there's a review, I wrote a review immediately, and it's up on the Children's Health Defense website. But one of the things you feel, which you know, Jeremy, just by being familiar with Children's Health Defense, to do this book. He pulled together such an amazing group of doctors and scientists and investigative journalists. I said in the review. You almost felt like it was a 21st century Zulu army that pulled together to help support the creation of this book. And that's why when you have you read it, you just have complete confidence in the integrity. You can tell it's written by somebody who's very experienced in litigation and it's very documented. And you realize this guy has completely nailed this story. And for me, it was quite remarkable. And as I said, I couldn't put it down. So it's hard to describe this story as one that's entertaining. But it is a really a remarkable story of our history and you can't understand our world without reading something like this. I just think if you want to understand the world we live in today, this book is a must read.

Jerm: What led you to write the book?

Bobby: Well, I've been in this kind of business since 2005, but even before that, since 1986, I've been litigation against big polluters and the oil industry, the chemical industry, big agriculture, etc., and also the regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect Americans and the environment from the bad behavior by those industries. I was very, very conscious of this phenomena of regulatory capture, which I think most Americans really don't have a grasp on. These regulatory agencies, all of them to one extent or another become essentially sock puppets for the industries that they're supposed to regulate. And there's a number of different mechanisms, including funding controls, congressional controls, revolving doors in which people go back and forth and profit people who are working in the agencies. And many of them have an expectation that they will they will graduate to a much higher paying job in the regulated industry if they if they do make certain decisions in certain ways through all of these mechanisms, the regulatory agency will often become radicalized, not just captive to the industry but radicalized, even more protective of industry interest as any particular company will be, of their of their own interest. They almost behave like a trade association, which always kind of takes the most radical pro-industry approach. And so I knew about that and I was familiar with these mechanisms, and I knew

Tony Fauci and I understood what was going to be happening at the beginning of the pandemic, that this was not going to be about public health, this was going to be about using the pandemic as a crisis of opportunity to promote the mercantile interests of the pharmaceutical industry, but not just pharma. Pharma has very close relationships with the military agencies and ultimately much close, I discovered this as I was writing the book, with the intelligence community and the nexus for that link is the biosecurity program and the biosecurity agenda, which has been the spear tip in American foreign policy, since the anthrax attacks in 2001, when the military and intelligence agencies began shifting huge amounts of money into biowarfare. Vaccines are a part of biological warfare, one, because they allow military and public health regulators and intelligence agencies to do what would otherwise be illegal bioweapons development by claiming that it's dual use. In other words, it has a defensive use because what we're really doing is developing vaccination, but the same technology that you use to develop a vaccine is the same technology they use to develop a bioweapon. It's called gain of function technology. In addition to that vaccines are a strategic part of military offensive warfare, not just defensive. If you're going to develop a bioweapon and deploy it, you've got to develop a vaccine first, because for every bioweapon, there is blowback. You cannot guarantee that the wind direction is going to stay where you want it to stay. It's going to come back on your own people. And before you ever deploy it, you need a vaccine that will protect your soldiers, your civilians against that bioweapon. So they're all tied in with each other and the military has always been linked to the public health agencies. NIH came out of the US Navy. CDC was originally the Public Health Service, which was a quasi military agency. These agencies kind of grew up because throughout history, in virtually every war throughout history, drugs have claimed more casualties than bullets. Whether it's yellow fever or malaria or just flus and these kind of things or smallpox. It's the bugs that are the things that ultimately cause more casualties than anything else during war. It's always been a military imperative to invest lots of money in medical technologies, medical protocols that are that can protect your troops against dysentery and cholera and smallpox and malaria and yellow fever and all of these other diseases. There's always been a very, very strong link between the military agencies and the intelligence agencies and the public health agencies. CDC used to be the Public Health Service, which is a military agency. That's why people at CDC still wear uniforms with military ranks like Surgeon General. There's been this alliance. After 2001, the Pentagon began pushing. We illegalized biological weapons development in 1972 and then in 2001, the military wanted it back. We had closed all the labs, Fort Dietrich and all over the country. In 2001, after the anthrax attacks, the military wanted to get back in the game, but they didn't believe that they could go out, begin spending money on it, because nobody would consider it plausible that the Pentagon was just wanting to innocently develop vaccines, which is the only way it would be legal. So instead of doing it themselves, at first they shifted, at that time, $1.7 billion a year to Tony Fauci. It is now $2.2 billion to essentially do weapons development. And Fauci himself profited enormously. He got a 68% raise which is tied to his continued development of bioweapons. In 2014, he opened a bunch of these up, three BSL4 labs, which is the highest level laboratory and then 13 lower labs like BSL3 at

universities around the country. And then in 2014, three bugs escaped from those facilities or near escape and. 300 leading bioweapons experts and scientists like Richard Ebright from Rutgers University and Marc Lipsitch from Harvard wrote a letter to President Obama saying, you have got to stop Fauci from continuing these experiments, experiments because he's going to cause a global pandemic. And President Obama ordered Fauci to stop. He sent cease and desist orders to 18 of Dr. Fauci’s gain of function projects in this country. And Fauci essentially defied him and he continued despite the cease and desist orders. He continued developing these bioweapons. But he also shifted a lot of his weapons development to Wuhan, and he began laundering money through this British zoologist Peter Daszak at the EcoHealth Alliance that on paper, it looks like NIH is giving the money to EcoHealth Alliance, which does research all over the world on pathogenic organisms. But in reality, it was a way of funneling money to the Chinese lab. And this very, very odd relationship between Chinese military scientists. That lab is run by the Chinese military. Everything that's done there is supervised by the Chinese military. The Chinese are very, very open, unlike us. The Chinese are very open. What we're doing is developing bioweapons and they're not coy about it at all. They've written papers on it. They're completely unambiguous about it. And the relationship between the US public health officials who are teaching these Chinese scientists how to perfect their techniques and intelligence officials because, Fauci as much money as he was pouring into the Wuhan lab, it was a fraction of what the CIA was putting in through USAID and what the Pentagon was putting directly through DARPA and BARDA and through other agencies that the Homeland Security Department of Homeland Security. All these weird military groups were pouring money into a Chinese lab that's run by the military to teach Chinese scientists not only how to do these gain of function techniques, how to take a basically harmless humans bug from the anus of a bat and take it and teach it using engineering techniques, teach it how to infect human beings and turn it into a pandemic. So they showed the Chinese how to make humanized mice with ACE2 receptors in their lungs so that when they infected one mouse in that colony with a coronavirus germ, then they could see if they could make it cough and infect…

Jerm: Unbelievable. Bobby: …droplets to infect all the other mice in that colony. And when they had done that. it was the ultimate success they were looking for. They were deliberately trying to create a pandemic virus, and they succeeded in it multiple times. I'll just tell you one last thing, because that's been a long answer to a short question. One of the real tells that occurred during this relationship between Fauci's biggest beneficiary, as a scientist called Ralph Baric, who's at the University of North Carolina, and he runs a BSL4 lab there. And he was the one who was teaching the Chinese side. He developed these techniques for taking a spike protein that he had engineered which had a different cleave in it, which was designed to operate as a key the ACE2 receptors in a human lung and inject a virus. He had developed this technique and he was removing these spike proteins from the natural coronavirus and replacing them with spike proteins, which he had

created. And so you can say, “okay, that's a vaccine.” You're doing that so that you can then infect mice and then you can inject some of the mice with your vaccine and see if they're protected. That's kind of what they were saying they were doing, But. Tony Fauci also financed Baric to develop something called a seamless ligation technique, which is a special technique for hiding the human tampering on these viruses. This is the opposite of what you would do if you were trying to benefit public health. There is no reason to do that. And to be able to kill a lot of people and say, “it wasn't me”, that's the only reason that you had. It is about developing bioweapons. It is not about developing vaccines. And Baric developed a technique and then he taught it to the Chinese. And it's a very, very bad story. In 2021 telling the intelligence agencies, “tell us where was this lab created?” Intelligence agencies come back in 90 days and say, “we don't know”. Well, they had to say that because they were financing it over there. That nobody knows that you unless they're reading me or other alternative media.

Catherine: Well, let me jump in, because all of the spending and all of the funding that you're talking about, billions of dollars, is all provided through the appropriations budgets. And there are committees overseeing and appropriating all this money to Fauci for all these activities and all these programs. And at any time along the way, those committees can say, “stop”. So when your book came out and this all became clear to them, they haven't said “stop”. They can pull the money any time they want.

Bobby: Yes. The problem is right now, and I never thought I'd say the Democrats control the Senate and the Congressional Appropriations Committee, and they, none of them, would read my book. Or you have Republicans who have read the book and many, many letters from them saying that they would do exactly that. The Democrats don't read the book. It's interesting because, I don't believe that they're doing it, Catherine, maliciously. I think they just think they believe the propaganda. They think Kennedy is crazy. He's lying. He's filled with misinformation. Why would I read a book when I know it's all misinformation? So they believe this. They won't look. One of the stories that I read recently about Galileo is when Galileo was alone in the world saying that “the sun does not rotate around the earth. The earth rotates around the sun.” And he had proven that by tracking the satellites and the stars using a telescope that he had invented. And what he said after he was he was forced to recant. He would be burned at the stake. And afterwards he wrote that it was not just the church and the clerics who were forcing him to recant. It was all the other scientists of his age. And he took note as he said, “I could never get them to even look into my telescope.” So they were clinging to the orthodoxy. And this, I think, is a phenomena that transcends the ages. It is that orthodoxies have such power over the human mind. And it's really kind of we're biologically hardwired to follow a powerful leader and to accept a cosmology and be very tribalistic about asserting it and about denying any other view of the world and that people are easily swept up into that biological impulse and work to the extent that people, liberals, more than anybody else in the world, prides itself on critical thinking and prides itself on tolerance and openness to new ideas, etc.. And yet you've seen

over the past two years that just the door shut tight on that, so not even a little bit of light can shine through. They will not look at alternative science as anybody who disagrees with them becomes. Right wing Trumpers. And it's the imposition of kind of tribalistic silos.

Catherine: One of the most compelling statistics in your whole book is you describe what's been happening to American children and with chronic disease and with IQs. And we're literally watching a poisoning of children that will ultimately produce a generation that can't function in a modern society.

Bobby: And if you look at it, and I'm not saying this is deliberate, but it is being engineered for compliance. For people who won't question the people who are snowflakes, they're vulnerable. They're frightened. They're susceptible to fear. And fear is the most powerful propaganda control technique because it disables the capacity for critical thought. And if you have all sort of generation of snowflake children who are damaged by chronic disease, who are dependent on pharmaceutical drugs. Now, we know as of 2006, 54% of our children had some debilitating chronic disease. This is up from 6% when Tony Fauci came into office and it's growing every year. I'm sure it's higher than 54% now because 2006 is a long time ago was 18 years ago. And that's the last time in 1986, it was 11.8% of kids had chronic disease. So the trajectory is really alarming. And as you point out we've lost seven IQ points. There's something this generation of kids, although my kids all seem smarter than me and they believe that they're smarter than me, and I think they're probably right. But generally speaking, there's something called the Flynn effect.

Catherine: The Flynn effect.

Bobby: And it's an observation that every ten years since 1900 there has been a three point increase in IQ among children. So IQ has steadily raised, and I don't know why that's true. I know that it has something to do with nutrition and also public education system and just better prenatal care or whatever it is. I don't know, but it is a documented effect and anybody can go look it up on Google and in 10 minutes you'll know more about it than I do. But there are studies now that shows and. In the late 1980s, early 1990s, children globally in Western nations have lost seven IQ points. Oh, it's the first time that we've seen a decline. Now there was a Brown University study during the pandemic that young children and I think this is children under two have lost 22 IQ points during the pandemic.

Catherine: I saw that and it was so shocking. I was going to ask you what you thought of it.

Bobby: Yes. I mentioned it to my wife. And she said to me, How can they even give an IQ test to a kid? I don't think you can give it. My wife knows a lot about special needs and has spent a lot of her life thinking about special needs. And she said that. So I couldn't really answer that question. But I've asked a couple of people who say, yes, there are tests that they follow your eye, the baby's eyes. They look to see how it smiles. And again, I'm way off of anything that is in my wheelhouse. But at any rate, the Brown study is out there and anybody can look it up. And I've tried that a number of times, but we've seen.it's kind of assault on child IQ. And what I say is you can't say it's all from the vaccines, but you can say we know that these things are listed as side effects of the vaccines. There's, I think, 420 adverse events that are listed on the 72 vaccine doses that are now and if our children so. And all of these chronic diseases that afflict our children obesity, autoimmune diseases, neurodevelopmental diseases, allergic diseases like peanut allergies, all of those are listed. I've only know vaccines can cause those injuries, but we cannot say that the epidemics and all those are solely related to the vaccines.

Jerm: And you can't sue.

Bobby:.Our children today are swimming around in a toxic soup of pesticides. Neonicotinoids. Life is a PFO as is PFOA, flame retardants and a million other. Not a million. There's actually a finite number. Also cell phone radiation. Plus, they're looking at screens all day, and we have no idea if that's going to do their to their brain capacity or whether it's going to make them smarter than us or not smarter or whatever. We don't know. But the thing that irritates me is that NIH is at $42 Billion annual budget, and this should be its primary concern. Infectious disease kills almost nobody anymore until COVID, which appears to be a man created disease designed to kill people. Right prior to that, infectious disease in Western countries was negligible. Why aren't we spending almost all of that 42 million on infectious disease? And the real thing that is the most debilitating and threatening to our civilization is rising chronic disease. And it's easy to figure out what's causing this. We have the databases. If you if you told scientists it was okay to research these things, we would have thousands of peer reviewed studies in months. The problem is scientists are not allowed to do it. And that is a deliberate, purposeful policy by Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins and Jeremy Farrar of the Wellcome Trust and all the pharmaceutical companies and Bill Gates. And if you look at just those four people, they control 63% of the biomedical research budget on Earth for all biomedical research. And then you add the pharmaceutical companies. It is probably 85, 90%. And they do not want anybody doing that research. And they will ruin your career if you do it. They will bankrupt your university, if you university allows you to do it. So they've been able to silence debate on those discussions.

Catherine: So a process began in the nineties where the effort to balance the US budget was, they gave up. And literally from where I sit the next month, they started to engineer policies. If you can't get the

retirement funding up to the level you needed as a budget matter, you have only one other way to balance the budget, and that's to lower life expectancies. And literally the day, the month after, they gave up sort of on the budget and then started to engineer the financial coup, we saw two things happen. Massive predatory lending started coming out of HUD literally the next month, and the FDA approved OxyContin. And if you look at the predatory lending and the pill mills, they were they were basically targeted at the same neighborhoods, from what I can tell. But a process began, Jeremy, where and I call it the great poisoning, a series of policies rolled out that ultimately produced a world in which people's toxicity levels were rising, they were being poisoned, and their immune systems were deteriorating for it's thousands of different reasons. It's very complicated. It's not one thing. But I noticed it first when I was driving around America trying to warn people that money was being disappeared from the US government. So we had a financial coup and I've talked a lot about all the money that was disappearing. But as that money was disappearing, what I was noticed was just as you drove around and spend time with people in America, life expectancies were coming down. People were getting sicker and sicker and sicker. And you could anecdotally see what Bobby has been describing and showing us the statistics for and I think there is absolutely a relationship between weakening of population for change in control and centralizing control. So I think this is all been part and parcel of changing the system of governance in America from a republic with democratic process to one where you're trying to engineer very tight central control, technocratic control.. The goal of creating central control is doing it in a way that makes money for the people centralizing power. And if you look at the industries that we've been talking about, whether it's the pharmaceutical industry or the health care industry, they've made a significant contribution to centralizing control and centralizing the power in the economy. And so it's really one integrated picture. One of the reasons, if you haven't read Bobby's book on Fauci, because he makes the connections to the pharmaceutical industry, he makes the connections to the intelligence agencies, he makes the connections to all different parts of the economy. It starts to make it much easier for you to see an integrated picture in how this fits into this bigger picture of really a change in control. Because what we saw with COVID 19 is the financial coup literally morphed into a political coup. And now we're talking about real changes in governments. We haven't mentioned yet the treaty that the WHO was working on or some of the other efforts to centralize control. But behind the scenes, we're watching incredible efforts, both on the financial side, as we saw in Canada with the control through the banks or as we saw through COVID, the health care side, trying to really implement central control. So to me, this is a coup that emerged out of a financial coup. And that financial coup has literally been tracking with what I call the great poisoning, which this is all part of.

Jerm: Has the vaccine industry become this massive moneymaking machine that is absolutely not interested in health?

Bobby: Well, yes, it has it's a very, very strange science because I'm just pro-science. Show me a vaccine that works and I will be for it. And by works, I mean you look at a vaccinated population and a similarly situated unvaccinated population, and then five years later, you have better health outcomes and better all cause mortality in the vaccinated group. That's what I would call a successful vaccine and one that I would fully support. Those studies are never done. In fact, we we sued NIH because I would say for years there has been no placebo controlled study. In any relicensing study or any of this have any of the 72 mandated vaccine doses ever. Tony Fauci was probably saying that's not true. All of them are. Well, when we met with him in 2016, I said, “Tony, show me. You keep saying they're out there.” And he said, “Oh, I'll get it to you”. Of course, they never did. And then we sued them the next year, Aaron Siri and I, And after about a year of litigation, they came back and HHS admitted there are no licensing studies, placebo controlled study for any vaccine, not one. So the problem is you don't want to have that you can't really tell whether the vaccine is actually averting more problems than it's causing, which is the claim that they all say, yes, vaccines do kill and injure people, but they are saving more lives. But how do we know that if you don't have any science that shows it? And in 2017 Bill Gates was trying to get the Danish government to support his DTP vaccine program in Africa, the diphtheria tetanus vaccine. It is the most popular vaccine in the world because it is used as a milestone vaccine by the World Health Organization to judge vaccine compliance in all the African and South Asian countries. So you will not get your financial support for your health ministries and for your HIV programs and the other vaccine and medical programs from W.H.O.. unless you can demonstrate a certain percentage of your population is getting the DTP.m Bill Gates wanted the Danish to support his CPTPP program. And he said, We've saved 3 million kids. And the Danish government says, Show us the study. Well, of course there was no study. You can you can see diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis has decreased. But you don't know whether more kids have survived. So the Danish government decided to do a study and they funded the study with Novo Nordisk, which is a vaccine company, Statens Serum Institute, which is a vaccine company and other government agencies. They did a massive study in Western Africa looking at kids who had got the vaccine over the 30 year period and comparing them to kids who didn't. And in some of those countries like Guinea Bissau. It was almost a perfect experiment because of the way they gave the vaccine. About half the kids in the country had gone and had it in between the ages of two months and five months of age. And when they looked at 30 years of records. They saw the girls who got the vaccine. were ten times more likely to die than children who didn't. Over the next six months, the girls were not dying of any cause that anybody had ever associated with a vaccine. They were dying of malaria and sepsis and anemia and bilharzia and river blindness and all of these other diseases that are endemic to Africa. But nobody had ever looked and said, “It's only vaccinated girls who are dying”. And the boys did not seem affected. It was just the girls were dying. You know, the boys were dying more often, but the girls were dramatically dying more quickly. And what the researchers who were all pro-vaccine, very famous people like Peter Aaby, who's kind of a deity on the African vaccine program. What they concluded was that the vaccine was probably killing more people than diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis before the vaccine was introduced, and that the vaccines were protecting these children against diphtheria, tetanus, but they had ruined their immune systems, but the kids could not defend themselves against conventional infections. That's why you need

long term placebo controlled trials, because you do not know that the vaccine is designed to permanently alter your immune system. And you do not know whether that vaccine is going to weather. It's weird. It's interesting because. In some vaccines, you see, all cause mortality rise dramatically. People say, well, a lot of those kids drowning, they died in car accidents, they fell from trees, etc. It couldn't be vaccine related, but that's not how statistics work. Maybe they are vaccine related. Maybe you have depression and maybe you have seizures. You have to look at all of these impacts and if consistently more people are dying following vaccination than people you leave alone. You then have to look at that and ask the question why? And that is never, ever done. So using this rubric of just telling people the vaccines are averting more problems than they're causing, saying that again and again with no science to support it they have increased the use of vaccination. When I was a kid, the vaccine industry was worth about $247 million annual revenue. Todat it's 60 billion. But the real advantage of the vaccine is what you pointed out, that pharmaceutical companies do not want to make you healthy. They would rather from a financial viewpoint, they'd rather keep you sick. And I'm not saying people who work for pharma are thinking like that all the time, but that dynamic, if you understand economics, will ultimately drive behavior. And the big revenues to the pharmaceutical industry are not necessarily from vaccines, but from the chronic diseases. I got measles when I was a kid and I had at that time, I think, nine siblings. We later made more of them. At that point there was about nine of us and we all got measles together. We all survived as the measles was killing at the time they introduced the vaccine in ‘63, it was death rates were infinitesimal, one in 500,000. Only 400 kids a year were dying of measles in the United States. Almost all of them were badly, badly malnourished as before the war on poverty. So, virtually everybody survived measles. And we stayed home and we watched TV for a week. And we had a lot of fun. The treatment for measles is chicken soup. And hey, you can get that. What if you're giving the vaccine to every American kid, 77 million kids, and one out of 1000 of those kids Is getting seizures and one out of 3000 and is getting lifetime epilepsy. Now you have a pool of kids who are relying on you, on your drug the rest of your life. So, when you have these 11 brothers and sisters, seventy first cousins. I didn't know anybody with a peanut allergy or eczema. Why do I have seven kids with allergies? What happened? And those allergies and no allergies are caused by vaccines. We don't know that all of them are. We know that the aluminum in vaccines can cause allergies. You can cause allergies in rats by injecting them with the aluminum adjuvant from the hepatitis B vaccine. So my kids need a $600 EpiPens. And you have a whole generation of kids that has reading disorders, learning disorders, and they're dependent on the Adderall, Concerta, Ritalin. Kids need the anti-seizure medications and the Albuterol inhalers and all of these other things that are associated with chronic disease. And that is about a half trillion dollar and will rise. It has made those chronic disease treatments swell. During most of my career, the oil industry was the biggest industry in the world. Today it's pharma and it's because of that explosion in chronic disease.

Jerm: Why then is the vaccine passport a Trojan horse?

Catherine: So the vaccine passport, combined with a digital financial system, gives the people managing it complete control. So if you need to radically reduce someone's economic footprint, if you need to control their behaviour where they travel, what they do, what they have access to, it gives you complete control. So if I can deny you the ability to travel, if I can deny you the ability to access the Internet, if I can deny you the ability to affect a bank transaction, not only can I control what assets you do and do not own and where you go, but I can control what you do. So let's say, for example, we saw this in Canada with the truckers and their supporters money essentially turned off. What you can do is you can literally convert a governance structure from a republic subject to a constitution and democratic process to a slavery system. I mean, we're talking about complete control.

Jerm: The coup d'etat that you that you speak of.

Catherine: Yes. If we go to 100% digital transaction system, then I can dictate to you every aspect of your life and every aspect of what you do, where you go, your labor, your travel. And ultimately, I can strip you of your assets, including your children.

Bobby: I mean, look a look at what Justin Trudeau did to the truckers. And so he would say those truckers, none of them were charged with a crime and none of them were convicted. And yet he was able to destroy that protest, that public dissent, by going in and saying, we are going to cut off your money supply. And that's what the digital passport, as I pointed out, before to all of you. We live in a society where we generally, it's not perfect. It has many, many, many flaws, but we generally are pretty free to do what we want. I can get on a plane today if I wanted to and fly from LA to San Francisco. I can go to a hotel. I could go bowling, go to a sports bar and do what I want. Once they give you that vaccine, passport, all of those rights turn into privileges that are contingent on your good behavior and your compliance with government dictates. So let's say this, that theoretically. And this is what was used during the trucker strike, during the truck in in Canada. Let's say they have Tony Fauci, without any scientific citation, without public hearing, says, okay, we have a resurgence of zykon or whatever and everybody needs to put their masks on and social distance. There's a facial recognition system or maybe your Apple Watch or the satellite surveillance shows that not only were you not wearing your mask, but you got too close to somebody in a public area six feet and say, okay, we're going to punish you for that. And without charging or anything else, they can say, okay, you're restricted to your home for the rest of this emergency. And we are going to use… and now, you have programmable currency so that they can tell you cannot do anything but go shopping within a half mile of your home and that's the only place your credit card will work at the Vons or the Safeway within a mile of your home. And if you take it further, your credit card won't work. If I try to go to San Francisco it won’t work there, if I try to buy gas on my way to Reno or Las Vegas. So that's the system they have in China. And that's why we need to be terrified of digital currencies and digital passports,

because it will give them total control and total visibility, total transparency about everything you do, every purchase you make, every time you travel. They will have a record of it.

Jerm: But I feel like I feel like we're living in in a weird kind of zombie sci-fi movie. I mean, Bobby, are we in a real life Milgram Experiment?

Bobby: Yes. I mean, I think the objective of every totalitarian regime and Hannah Arendt, who wrote about the comparisons between Stalin's regime and Hitler's regime and the thing she wrote specifically about what they had in common, because there were lots of things that they that were different. Essentially what they had in common, was the attraction of a bureaucratic. State, a technocratic state, and the instrumentalities of control would make humanity superfluous. And ultimately, in both those regimes, you had huge swaths of humanity that were classified, in Stalin's words, as useless eaters and who were people who did not serve the state purposes and therefore could be eliminated. Stalin starved to death. 3 million Ukrainians deliberately, purposely by design between 1933 and 1935. And then that was the biggest mass murder in history at that time. Later on Hitler would outdo him. Both of them are groups that were not beneficial to the state as groups then that were superfluous. And it allows these systems to dehumanize, humanity. And they commoditize us all. And of course, that's the purpose that ultimately is what corporations want to do. A corporation has one desire. They don't have a conscience. They don't know right or wrong. They only know how to profit.

Catherine: So the last report I saw said that 21 states are working on the vaccine passports. Why hasn't there been more pushback?

Bobby: Well, because propaganda works.

Catherine: Right?

Bobby: I mean, that's why there's $1,000,000,000,000 advertising industry, because people know if you repeat a message often enough, no matter how irrational it is, no matter how contrary to the values that people will believe it. By and large, most and I think nowadays more than ever, most Americans do not have a defense against propaganda. They're unequipped to defend themselves against propaganda. So we go from war to war to war to war. And each one seems like and we're told each one is the other guy, Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin is evil. And we need to and we're not really looking and saying, is this in our national interest? What is the objective here? Do we want to be the policeman of the world?

Is that our job? And what is the impact on our economy, on our culture and our role in the world? None of those questions are asked. We have not equipped this generation of children to defend themselves against propaganda. In my generation I think I was lucky to be part of that generation because we really had a really acute sense of what propaganda was.

Bobby: We really stood up in the war.. But kids today on the college campus and there is no protest, they're just… it's almost zombie like.

Catherine: So we see real changes in the polls in America and we're coming into a congressional election in November. Do you think we could see a shift in both Senate and House to Republican control?

Bobby: I don't know what's going to happen.

Catherine: If we do get a shift to Republican control, will it make a difference to the policies of vaccine, passports or mandates?

Bobby: I think so. I really try to avoid partisanship, because I think we're really in a war, a class war against these entrenched elites. And what they want to do is keep Republicans and Democrats hating each other and blacks and whites and all these other groups. I really try to stay away from partisanship. And I think because of the nature, right now, that you will see, if the Republicans take control of some of those committees, you're going to see back to back hearings. Anthony Fauci on the vaccines, on vaccine passports. And at some point you have to believe that the media is finally going to have to cover some of this stuff and that at some point. The media used to be a follower. Now that media is all owned by BlackRock there is no debate. Fox and CNN are both assets of BlackRock and they want to pump up the war so that all of BlackRock military industrial subsidiaries can profit. And they're betting the banks and the financial institutions all this like this manipulation of public fear and of public attitudes and benefits, an entrenched elite of essentially billionaires of permanent technocracy symbolized by Tony Fauci’s 50 year reign and then military contractors and financial houses.

Jerm: Right, Catherine. So in your view, Catherine, how do we push back against this biostate Orwellian technocratic control grid that seems to be very ominous?

Catherine: So there are thousands of ways of pushing back. But I think it's really important to understand you've got to push back bottom up and you've got to push back hard with both the private and the public money. And I think if enough people, so let's just take the United States, if enough people in the United States start taking an interest in their local and state elections and pushing back hard. You could you some real change. But the question is, how do we beat the propaganda? And that comes back to numbers. I remember listening to Bobby talk about we're at about 35%. We have to get to 50%. Now, I think, for example, the COVID restrictions have done enough harm and the COVID injections have done enough harm that you're building quietly a groundswell of people who are prepared to act. And the question is, when are they going to hit a tipping point? You've shut down a million small businesses. You've, if you looked, I don't know, Bobby, if you've seen the Skidmore survey, Skidmore estimates in America alone, the injections have killed 300,000 people. That's a lot of families. I mean, when you he estimated 300,000 killed and one point I think it's 1.1 million serious adverse events. What I hear when I hear that is 1.5 million families bankrupted. So if you kill a million small businesses and you get a million plus vaccine injuries, that's a couple of million bankruptcies of families.

Jerm: God bless both of you. Thank you so much for joining me. Robert F Kennedy and Catherine Fitts.

Catherine: Have a great day, both of you.

Jerm: Thank you for joining me in the trenches. My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolff, The Battle of Ideas.

Book sales have been very brisk, over a million copies sold as the #1 top selling book French, Spanish and German editions are available on amazon.

Dedication & Acknowledgments Publisher’s Note Introduction Chapter 1: Mismanaging a Pandemic Chapter 2: Pharma Profits over Public Health Chapter 3: The HIV Pandemic Template for Pharma Profiteering Chapter 4: The Pandemic Template: AIDS and AZT Chapter 5: The HIV Heresies Chapter 6: Burning The HIV Heretics Chapter 7: Dr. Fauci, Mr. Hyde: NIAID’s Barbaric and Illegal Experiments on Children Chapter 8: White Mischief: Dr. Fauci’s African Atrocities Chapter 9: The White Man’s Burden Chapter 10: More Harm Than Good Chapter 11: Hyping Phony Epidemics: “Crying Wolf” Chapter 12: Germ Games Afterword Author’s Note

Epigraph There you have it, the Tony Fauci/Bill Gates legacy of greed and genocide laid bare for all open minds to see, not a pretty picture. This pair of Eichmann actalikes and their acolytes have been very busy cleansing the planet of useless eaters, but Congress is not interested in stemming the toll. One man’s hero is another man’s demon, c'est la vie. Some people have to lose their parents and children to war crimes before they wake up, a costly route. The detailed description and documentation should at least be enough to get grand juries to sit up and take notice. Maybe the quarter million sealed indictments already have them pegged, John Durham is sure to know. It was surprising not to see any mention of Dr. Reiner Fuellmich in the book. The author has striven for a polite nonpartisan presentation, without assigning motives or name calling. His massive book has remained very focused without wandering off topic. If you don’t see it on display in your local bookstore on the best-seller rack, it is not by accident. They have it hidden away to reduce sales. You have to ask for it. The long reach of godfather corruption is very long.

Appendix I – The Making of a Presstitute

The Defender The Day Jake Tapper Sold His Soul to Pharma By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Apparently, appalled by robust sales of my bestseller, “The Real Anthony Fauci,” CNN anchor Jake Tapper — in lieu of critically reviewing the work — used his Twitter feed to unleash a barrage of ad hominem insults against me. Breaking with the traditional restraints of journalistic neutrality, professional propriety and intellectual rigor, he branded me “dangerous,” a “menace,” a “liar,” a “grifter,” a fraud, “unhinged” and more. But Tapper’s defamations hang in the atmosphere without substantiation or citation. If I’m a liar, then what was my lie? If I’m a grifter, then what is my personal profit or advantage? If I am a fraud, then where is my inaccurate statement?

I concede that I’m a dangerous menace, but only to the pharmaceutical industry, its captive technocrats and its media toadies. When I responded to his slander with a respectful tweet inviting him to debate me, Tapper declined, explaining he would not debate a “conspiracy theorist.” Characteristically, he neglected to cite any conspiracy theory he believes I promoted. And is it credible to dismiss me as a conspiracy theorist unworthy of debate? After all, I am founder and former president of the world’s largest water protection group, and founder and current chairman of one of the largest children’s health advocacy groups. I’ve won hundreds of successful lawsuits, including milestone victories against Monsanto, DuPont, Exxon, Smithfield Foods and leading polluters from the chemical, carbon, pharmaceutical and agricultural industries. (Many of these also initially dismissed me as a “conspiracy theorist.”) My current book, “The Real Anthony Fauci,” may be the most heavily footnoted volume to ever sit atop global best-seller lists for six consecutive weeks. With 500,000 copies sold, it has attracted a whopping 5,500+ five-star reviews (92%). Despite extreme hostility toward this volume from mainstream media and the medical cartel, no one has yet identified a factual inaccuracy in its 250,000 words. If my book is baseless conspiracy theories, then shouldn’t Mr. Tapper welcome an opportunity to correct me with facts or arguments that go beyond name-calling? Allow me, then, to offer my own theory for Mr. Tapper’s apoplexy. Many people make Faustian bargains during their lives, trading personal integrity for material advantage. Oftentimes the metamorphosis occurs as a gradual erosion of moral fiber. Occasionally it happens in an instant; a man stands at a moral crossroads and chooses the dark side. I happened to have a front-row seat when Jake Tapper had his moment of moral crisis. I’m guessing his fierce vitriol toward me is a reaction to his embarrassment that I was witness to the instant when Mr. Tapper chose career over character. In July 2005, Jake Tapper was ABC’s senior producer when the network ordered him to pull a lengthy exposé on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) secret 2000 Simpsonwood conference. Here is the background: In 1999, in response to exploding epidemics of autism and other neurological disorders, CDC decided to study its vast Vaccine Safety Datalink — the medical and vaccination record of millions of Americans, archived by the top HMOs — to learn whether the dramatic escalation of

the vaccine schedule, beginning in 1989, was a culprit. CDC’s in-house epidemiologist, Thomas Verstraeten, led the effort. Verstraeten’s initial data run suggested that mercury-containing hepatitis B vaccines — administered during the first month of life — were associated with a wide range of neurological injuries, including a dramatic 1,135% rise in autism risks among vaccinated children. Verstraeten’s findings propelled CDC into DEFCON 1. The agency’s top vaccine officials summoned 52 pharmaceutical industry leaders, the foremost vaccinologists from academia and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and public health regulators from the National Institutes of Health, U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), CDC, World Health Organization (WHO) and European Medicines Agency to a secret two-day meeting at the remote Simpsonwood retreat center in Norcross, Georgia, to strategize about how to hide these awful revelations from the public. In 2005, I obtained the explosive transcripts of this meeting and was about to publish excerpts in Rolling Stone (Deadly Immunity, July 18, 2005). Those recordings, ironically, portrayed these leading kingpins of the vaccine cartel poised at their own moral brink, and chronicled their collapse into corruption over two sickening days of debate. Most of these individuals were physicians and regulatory officials who had committed their lives to public health out of idealism and deep concern for children. Verstraeten’s data confronted them with the fact that the cumulative mercury levels in all those new vaccines they had recommended had overdosed a generation of American children with mercury concentrations over a hundred times the exposures the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency considered safe. In recommending a vast battery of new vaccines for children, public health regulators had somehow neglected to calculate the cumulative mercury and aluminum loads in all the new jabs. Dr. Peter Patriarca, the then-director of the FDA Office on Vaccine Research and Review, expressed the general feeling of horror when he asked why no one had calculated the cumulative mercury exposure to children as policymakers added this cascade of new vaccines to the childhood schedule: “Conversion of the percentage thimerosal to actual micrograms of mercury involves ninth-grade algebra. What took the FDA so long to do the calculations?” In the tense days leading up to the Simpsonwood conclave, children’s health champion Dr. Ruth Etzel of the EPA pleaded with her fellow public health leaders to publicly admit they made a terrible mistake by inadvertently poisoning American children, and to repair the damage. Dr. Etzel urged AAP and the government regulators to handle the crisis with the same honesty and public remorse that Johnson & Johnson had demonstrated on discovering toxic chemicals in its Tylenol formulations: “We must follow three basic rules: (1) act quickly to inform pediatricians that the products have more mercury than we realized; (2) be open with consumers about why we didn’t catch this earlier; (3) show contrition. If the public loses faith in the Public Health Services

recommendations, then the immunization battle will falter. To keep faith, we must be open and honest and move forward quickly to replace these products.” Confronted with scientific proof of their role in the chronic disease calamity, the cabal did exactly the opposite. The shocking Simpsonwood transcripts show Dr. Patriarca and the other public health panjandrums warning each other of their reputational liabilities, their vulnerability to litigation by plaintiffs’ lawyers and potential damage to the vaccine program. Dr. Patriarca cautioned that public disclosure of CDC’s explosive findings would make Americans feel that the FDA, CDC and vaccine policymakers had been “asleep at the switch” for decades in allowing Thimerosal to remain in childhood vaccines. Over two days of intense discussion, these Big Pharma operatives and government technocrats persuaded each other to transform their disastrous error into villainy — by doubling down and hiding their mistake from the public. Tapper saw an early draft of my Rolling Stone story and proposed that, in exchange for exclusivity, he would do a companion piece for ABC timed to air on the magazine’s publication day. Tapper spent several weeks working on the story with me and a team of enthusiastic ABC reporters and technicians. During his frequent conversations with me over that period, he was on fire with indignation over the Simpsonwood revelations. He acted like a journalist hoping to win an Emmy. The day before the piece was to air, an exasperated Tapper called me to say that ABC’s corporate officials ordered him to pull the story. The network’s pharmaceutical advertisers were threatening to cancel their advertising. “Corporate told us to shut it down,” Tapper fumed. Tapper told me that it was the first time in his career that ABC officials had ordered him to kill a story. ABC had advertised the Simpsonwood exposé, and its sudden cancellation disappointed an army of vaccine safety advocates and parents of injured children who deluged the network with a maelstrom of angry emails. In response, ABC changed tack and publicly promised to air the piece. Instead, following a oneweek delay, the network duplicitously aired a hastily assembled puff piece promoting vaccines and assuring listeners that mercury-laden vaccines were safe. The new “bait and switch” segment precisely followed Pharma’s talking points. “I’m putting my faith in the Institute of Medicine,” ABC’s obsequious medical editor, Dr. Tim Johnson, declared in closing. Two pharmaceutical advertisements bracketed the story. After that piece aired, I called Jake to complain. He neither answered nor returned my calls.

During the 16 intervening years, Pharma has returned Mr. Tapper’s favor by aggressively promoting his career. Pfizer shamelessly sponsors Tapper’s CNN news show, announcing its ownership of the space — and Mr. Tapper’s indentured servitude — before each episode with the loaded phrase: “Brought to you by Pfizer.” Under the apparent terms of that sponsorship, CNN and Tapper provide Pfizer a platform to market its products and allow the drug company — a serial felon — to dictate content on CNN. This arrangement has transformed CNN’s The Lead with Jake Tapper into a propaganda vehicle for Pharma and effectively reduced Mr. Tapper to the role of a drug rep — shamelessly promoting fear porn, confusion, and germophobia, and ushering his audience toward high-yield patent pharmaceuticals. Tapper’s main thrust during the pandemic has been to promote levels of public terror sufficient to indemnify all the official lies against critical thinking. All that Pharma money naturally requires that Mr. Tapper kowtow to Dr. Fauci, and the CNN host’s slavishness has helped make Tapper’s show the go-to pulpit for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) director. It’s a safe place for Dr. Fauci to hit all Jake’s reliable softballs out of the park. “The bootlicking competition at CNN is pretty nauseating,” observed investigative journalist Celia Farber who has chronicled Dr. Fauci’s mismanagement at NIAID for more than 25 years. “It’s ruinous for both democracy and for public health.” Another journalist has compared Tapper’s mortifying on-air servility toward Dr. Fauci to the adulation of a loyal and obedient canine. “It’s like a dog watching a chess match,” says former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson. “So much intensity and so little understanding.” Tapper has gone two years without asking Dr. Fauci a single tough question. He has covered up Fauci’s involvement with Wuhan, suppressed news of vaccine injuries, gaslighted the injured, and defended every official orthodoxy on masks, lockdowns, social distancing, vaccines, remdesivir, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. He has never asked about the public health, mental health, and economic costs of lockdown, about the disproportionate burdens of Dr. Fauci’s policies on minorities, the working class and the global poor. He has never asked Dr. Fauci to explain why countries and states that refused Dr. Fauci’s prescription have consistently experienced dramatically better health outcomes. For example, why are U.S. death rates 1,000x the death rates of African countries like Nigeria and Indian states that widely use hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? Mr. Tapper simply never allows contrary views on his show.

He continues to extol COVID vaccines as a miracle technology that individuals can take four times and still both get and spread the illness. “He never calls Dr. Fauci on his vacillating science-free pronouncements,” said Farber. “Dr. Fauci seems to be able to paralyze the curiosity features of Tapper's brain.” Tapper has to ask Dr. Fauci why, under his direction, America suffered the world’s highest body count. With 4.2% of the global population, our nation suffered 15% of COVID deaths. Instead, he functions as high priest of every official orthodoxy, working to deify Dr. Fauci and anoint all his absurd, vacillating and contradictory pronouncements with papal infallibility. The sure way to earn Tapper’s indignation is to criticize Dr. Fauci. Here are just a few examples of Mr. Tapper’s brazen deceptions: On Feb. 2, 2021, Tapper “debunked” claims that baseball great Hank Aaron may have died from a COVID shot. The home run king submitted to a CDC-staged press conference 17 days earlier. Tapper assured his audience that the Fulton County coroner had determined Aaron to have died from “natural causes.” When the Fulton County coroner subsequently denied ever having seen Aaron’s body, much less performed an autopsy, Tapper refused to correct his story. In August 2021, Tapper gave Dr. Fauci a platform to spread the rumor that deluded Americans were poisoning themselves with a “horse medicine” called ivermectin. In an Aug. 29, 2021 interview, Dr. Fauci told Tapper, “There’s no evidence whatsoever that that works, and it could potentially have toxicity… with people who have gone to poison control centers because they’ve taken the drug at a ridiculous dose and wind up getting sick. There’s no clinical evidence that indicates that this works.” Tapper never corrected Dr. Fauci. He never pointed out that there were by then 70 peer-reviewed studies demonstrating ivermectin’s miraculous efficacy against COVID. He didn’t dispute Dr. Fauci’s characterization of ivermectin as a horse medicine by noting that the drug had won both a Nobel Prize and WHO’s listing as an “essential medicine” for its miraculous efficacy against human illnesses, and that people have consumed billions of doses with no significant safety signals. Mr. Tapper never thought to ask Dr. Fauci if he was trying to discourage use of a cheap, effective drug that might compete with his experimental vaccines. Instead, Tapper abjectly parroted Dr. Fauci’s talking points: “Poison control centers are reporting that their calls are spiking in places like Mississippi and Oklahoma, because some Americans are trying to use an anti-parasite horse drug called ivermectin to treat coronavirus, to prevent contracting coronavirus.”

It mattered not to Tapper that both Mississippi and Oklahoma officials quickly denied that anyone in their state had been hospitalized for ivermectin poisoning. Tapper never corrected his false story. On Sept. 14, 2021, Tapper obligingly gave Dr. Fauci a platform to dispute rapper Nicki Minaj’s worry that COVID vaccines may affect fertility. Dr. Fauci simply declared, “The answer to that, Jake, is a resounding no.” As usual, Tapper did not ask Dr. Fauci to cite a study to support this assertion. He never pointed out to Dr. Fauci that all of the COVID vaccine manufacturers acknowledge that their products are not tested for effects on fertility, or that recent data has shown dramatic upticks in miscarriages and pre-eclampsia in vaccinated women. Nevertheless, based upon Dr. Fauci’s word alone, CNN rushed on to defame and discredit the rapper and to assure the public that Minaj was wrong. Dr. Fauci, after all, had spoken! It’s easy to see how two years of such obsequious deference emboldened Dr. Fauci in November 2021 to declare that “I represent science.” There are too many other examples of Tapper’s uncritical promotion of government and pharma falsehoods to even summarize. These are not harmless lies. Each of them has potentially disastrous consequences for public health. The term “psychological projection” describes the uncanny precision with which a certain sort of person applies the very pejoratives to others that most accurately depict their own shortcomings. When Mr. Tapper calls me “unhinged,” a “menace to public health,” a “fraud,” a “liar,” is he falling victim to projection? The critical functions of journalism in a democracy are to speak truth to power, relentlessly expose official corruption, and to forever maintain a posture of skepticism toward government and corporate power centers. What Jake Tapper does is the opposite of journalism. Tapper, instead, aligns himself with power, and makes himself a propagandist for official narratives and a servile publicist for powerful elites and government technocrats. No wonder his fury at those who challenge their narratives.