Tucker Carlson interviews Dr. Robert Malone on wide-rangeing Pandemic Issues

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Tucker: A very famous and very, I hate the word, we're going to use it anyway, controversial figure in American life whose name is Dr. Robert Malone. Who is Dr. Robert Malone? Well, he is sometimes described as one of the people who helped invent Miranda technology, the one that is used in the corona vaccines. Currently, he is described by others as a provocateur and entertainer. We're going to let him describe himself. Our own editorial comment is we believe Dr. Malone is one of the very few and certainly one of the bravest voices in the medical community speaking out against censorship in a time of pandemic. He believes in science, so we are honored to have him in our studio now. Dr. Robert Malone, thanks very much for joining us, Doctor.

Robert: Thank you, Tucker. Thank you. Tucker: You know what, I'm just going to start at the moment when I think a lot changed in our country and probably a long time before we fully metabolize what happened and your role in it, et cetera. But I'm just going to start right here and then we can work backwards in your life. You can explain exactly who you believe you are and what you're doing. But I think you came to the attention of a lot of people who were only paying half attention December 2021. So basically just the other day in an exchange with Joe Rogan on his show, a lot change for him after this conversation, in which you said the following here's the famous 45 seconds. Robert: What the heck happened in Germany in the ‘20s and ‘30s? Very intelligent, highly educated population, and they went barking mad. And how did that happen? The answer is mass formation psychosis. When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense. We can't understand it. And then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis. They literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere. Tucker: Ok. That was the moment when the cry went out, “destroy Dr. Robert Malone”, “destroy Joe Rogan”, and they've been at it ever since, so I want to get to that in some detail, what you meant. Whether it was true or not, et cetera, et cetera, but let's just let's start with you, tell us you where you're from, how would you describe your life since so many have described it? Robert: For you recently? Well, and I've done hours and hours and hours of podcasts talking about everything that happened at the Salk Institute and the original discoveries around RNA vaccines and all that. And it's not really useful, I think. Tucker: Give us the Cliff Notes version, where did you grow up?

What did your parents do? When did you get into science? Robert: Ok, let's kind of interesting. I grew up on the West Coast, particularly in the central coast of California in Goleta. I was born in Stanford University Hospital in Palo Alto. My dad was an electrical engineer. He was deep in the Department of Defense, particularly working in, actually thermonuclear triggering devices and electromagnetic surge protection, high energy systems. So kind of spooky world. My mom was a teacher from Mills College. And really a key figure in my life was my father-in-law, who was head of Raytheon Special Projects. So I've met numerous people from the CIA from back then that knew him. Tucker: So we should say for people who aren't from California, a lot of you know, agriculture, entertainment, tourism and defense contracts really built California. And the last part, I think people aren't from there don't know. And so your family was entwined in the last part. Robert: Totally and particularly in aviation electronics. I was involved in agriculture. I've spent a lot of time as a farmhand in avocados and lemons. Both my dad and my father-in-law had avocado groves. And I'm still married to my high school sweetheart that I met in Goleta. And our common bond was horse riding. We used to, back in the day before there were avocado fields all over the hills, we used to ride all over in the backcountry and along the beaches. The areas that we used to ride along, the beaches now are the Bacara resorts. So that's like Oprah Winfrey has a place there. But back then, it was just wild old rundown oil country land. It's all changed. I grew up about four miles as the crow flies from Reagan's ranch. Tucker: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful part of the state. Robert: And I went first to Santa Barbara City College. I'm a city college grad, as was my dad as were both of our boys, and then went to UC Davis, where I really got deep into breast cancer research and retrovirus causes of breast cancer. And the lab I was in just

serendipitously happened to be the one that first discovered a retrovirus being involved in an immunodeficiency syndrome. This is 1983-84. So I kind of cut my teeth on the very earliest days of the AIDS outbreak and the development of vaccines for AIDS and those kinds of things. And I had originally been a computer science major, and I didn't want to spend the rest of my life in a room with no windows looking at a computer monitor. And so I decided to go into medicine. Bad decision, but you know… Tucker: Financially. Robert: Financially for sure, for sure. Both my sons are computer scientists and they make more than I do. So they made the right decision. They were like, Academia, are you kidding me? After seeing what my wife and I went through, yeah, so I got out of computer science and went into biology and really became passionate about wanting to be a gene therapist. And it was a real stretch in the early ‘80s to think that you could get into medical school. Frankly, you'd have to be pretty much of an egotist to think you could do that. But I wanted to try and it was a big reach to try to get into medical school. And I kind of overshot the goal. I got an MD, PhD scholarship at Northwestern because I worked so hard in the lab when I was an undergrad. So that kind of set that in play and I really wanted to work with RNA and I wanted to work in gene therapy and spent two years at Northwestern in Chicago. My wife will never again allow me to make a relocation decision, I guarantee. Tucker: Good call. Robert: Yep. So we were like, “this is a little cold.” And so I applied for grad school elsewhere and again kind of overshot the mark and got into the Salk Institute at UC San Diego, which had the two top gene therapy researchers at the time. And I was warned not to go into the Salk lab of Inder Verma by my appointed mentor from the university. But I was kind of an egotistical little son of a gun and really thought it was a postdoctoral lab, so no graduate students. I was the little kid in an intensely competitive environment in what was really the temple for vaccines and molecular virology. The Salk had about

six Nobel laureates and had produced multiple Nobel laureates. And so I was right in the thick of it. Tucker: I grew up hundreds of yards from there. So I remember, I mean, that was the thing that our town had. Robert: Yeah, the Salk has many stories about Jonas Salk. They had to change the policies of La Joya because they wouldn't let Jonas Salk move into town, and the university basically told him because he was Jewish. Yeah, you know that. Ok, so you know that whole story. Fascinating California history, big time. So the Salk was a pretty tense experience, just a cascade of discoveries and events, and I was working my head off and really passionate about what I was doing and trying to find ways to ask questions about how retroviral RNA gets assembled. This is very technical, and there really wasn't stuff to do the kinds of studies that I wanted to do, and so I had to invent it. And one thing led to another, that's the short version. And suddenly things came together and I was able to put RNA into cells, and then I was able to put RNA into frog embryos, and then I was able to put RNA into chick embryos and then everything went sideways because suddenly people realized that this could be commercialized. And I was just a small speck in a big landscape of get rich quick and patents were filed and the university got in a fight with the Salk and the Salk going fight with the university. And I was just kind of caught in the crossfire, and I ended up with a diagnosis of PTSD and a nervous breakdown. Tucker: And at what age? Robert: Twenty eight? Wow. Yeah. So I got to learn about big science or it learned me good and I had to stick around because my wife had to finish her bachelor's degree at UC San Diego in biological anthropology. She was actually working at the San Diego Zoo. And so I joined this little company that was just starting up right across the street across Torrey Pines Road called Viscount by the old cyclotron. Tucker: You remember that I rode my bike at Torrey Pines every day

going to school as a kid? Yeah, the old cyclotron. Robert: So they were leasing that space out and then I brought all my protocols and reagents and everything over. And within a couple of months, we had these additional discoveries involving putting the RNA and then DNA into mice. Then it was all about how are we going to use it. I'd had a kind of a brainstorm when I was at the Salk’s special interest lab about the problem with gene therapy. It was learned that it generates an immune response against the foreign protein. So the whole idea that we could correct children with genetic defects went sideways because the body doesn't know that it's a good gene, it just knows that it's a different gene. Right. And so it'll attack that protein. That was discovered by Dan St. Louis when I was there in the lab. And I was this young guy thinking that I was going to do gene therapy for the rest of my life. And there was going to be a gene therapist in every hospital. And suddenly that all went south. And so the brainstorm was that I had back in ‘87 was we could use gene therapy technology to produce some immune responses. And that's kind of what set it all in motion. And then the discoveries at Viscount, there were actually 10 patents filed, but the Salk dropped. They were all filed in the same time. And nine of them issued in the United States and then a bunch of other derivatives and that kind of set the whole thing in play. So there's the short version, and that's only one thing I did in my life. Tucker: So what did you do for the next 30 years Robert: I’ve discovered other… we have many other patents. I was an academic for a little over a decade, rose to associate professor, was recruited out to U of Maryland, Baltimore, discovered a whole new platform using pulsed electrical fields that gave rise to the company called Inovio that's in San Diego. And we kind of pioneered that, and my wife actually did the initial incorporation and then the planes hit the towers. We were in Rockville at the time. And the investors pulled back from Inovio. They were Norwegian investors, they were going to go stateside and I'll never forget we had a corporate meeting two weeks after the planes hit the towers and in Manhattan. That's a that's a smell and a scene that you never get out

of your brain. And of course, living in Rockville, it hit the Pentagon and the planes were circulating and everything else. And so our whole new company gig collapsed and I was left scrambling. And a friend of mine in the in the government recommended a new company that had just got a big contract called DynCorp Vaccine Company, and that was the company that had the contract for all biodefense products for the Department of Defense Advanced Development. So that “advanced development” is our slang words for after it finishes with animal models and it moves into humans. And that was kind of a big transition for me. That was right after the anthrax attacks and the towers. And I realized that the world really didn't need a more academic thought leaders. What it needed was that people could bridge the discovery world and the advanced development world. They're very different. And so that was the aha, that there aren't many people that can do that. And I could become that person. And so I set about to become that person. And that's kind of what I've done ever since I worked closely with DOD, with a variety of companies, have had a consulting shop for years. I worked in regulatory affairs, sweatshops writing documents and designing clinical trials, and I've worked for a bunch of different contract research organizations. I've worked for one of the early Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation companies called Iris. I was a consultant for Path, which is one of their core companies. I worked for Soloway, which is a Big Pharma. So I kind of and then I'm really… Tucker: Kind of pause and say, I don't know if anybody who didn't know your background and just knew you're from that very famous appearance on Joe Rogan would have guessed the one time work for indirectly, maybe at least for Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, for the U.S. government and for Big Pharma. Robert: Yeah, I've kind of seen the whole scene. Somebody reminded me the other day, Pierre Corey, we were on a talk, and he said because I tried to help him publish his ivermectin paper, his first ivermectin review. And he acknowledged at the time he was he just thought, this is Robert Malone. And he didn't know anything about me. I was just trying to help him. And he reminded me that back then

I used to say, he asked me why I kept such a low profile and I said, “Well, the way things are in D.C., the word is, if they can't see you, they can't shoot you.” And so that had kind of always been my kind of my operational strategy. Tucker: A pretty smart strategy in retrospect, don’t you think? You've taken a different tack now. Just a little tiny bit. Robert: Yeah, I kind of got forced out, you mentioned this one. But before that, there was the Bret Weinstein Starrcast podcast, and that was a moment in time. And then you may or may not recall you and I did a Fox hit once. A van came out to my little farm and you asked me some questions and what I told you, I think you weren't expecting. I told you that the database for the FDA and the CDC was all screwed up. Tucker: Yes, I remember it vividly. Robert: You got this look on your face because I don't think you're expecting that. Tucker: Well, this was back when I believed that there were competent people with good intentions running things. Robert: Yeah, we've all come a long way. Tucker: We have, unfortunately. Robert: Yeah. And so what was funny about that was I went back because I had been having this really active dialogue weekly zooms with these three folks from the FDA that were involved in the original discovery of the toxicity, the cardiotoxicity and of the vaccines. And I went on, I spoke to them afterwards and they were all really upset that I said that to you

Tucker: Because it was untrue? Robert: No, because you were Tucker Carlson, because you were an enemy of the government, of the current administration and all you wanted to do, I'll never forget, all you wanted to do was tear them down. And so one of them particularly has hardly spoken to me since. And it's OK. Tucker: I mean, it's my view, for the record, that it's my country. I grew up here and I love the country and I have a right to know. Robert: So on this point, my wife hates it when I say this, but I'm going to say it again with you. Like many of us, we came out of the central coast of California as center left. and we actually donated to the Obama campaign. We donated. We actually donated to the Biden campaign. Yeah. There is no way in hell I'm ever going to vote Democratic again. And me, I mean, I'm surrounded by Mikki Willis, Bobby Kennedy. These people all over Joe Rogan. We're going to talk about Joe Rogan. He's Center-Left. I mean, they're eating their own. They're destroying their party, so that's a tangent we’ll come to. Tucker: No, I mean, I think it's really… Robert: But I want to get back to this, these three folks. So we had this this Zoom call afterwards, and the one of them would hardly talk to me. One of them grew up in eastern Germany. And the other one is Latin American, and the one that grew up in eastern Germany said, Look, we have been trying to get the guy to get the CDC and the FDA to resolve this problem with the database now for over a decade, and they have refused to do anything. And he's done what should be done. In my defense, he was saying, we have to blow the thing up. So there's a lead in to who is Robert Malone. Tucker: So look, I can't think of anybody I've personally met who's better situated to assess by his life experience what's happening now. So describe the evolution of your thinking as you watch this vaccine whose origins you were witness to and participated in as you

watched it roll out and you watch its effects, like what was your thinking? Fourteen months ago Robert: And you haven't really followed my whole origin story here, I got a phone call from a CIA or somebody. The New York Times was in my house the other day. I didn't realize until afterwards it was a bad decision. The person was, actually, we found out, her beat is disinformation. So I hit myself in the head on that one. And she corrected me, fascinatingly, when I said I got a call from a CIA officer, she said, ex CIA officer. And I was like, “Oh, very well informed are you?” Yeah, yeah. So I got this call on January 4th 2020 from this guy that had published with in the past that had been introduced to me as a CIA officer. And I'd actually met his handler and he has a Harvard appointment. And he was in Wuhan at the time, and he'd been in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019. And yes, you're using that look again, and… Tucker: It's involuntary. Robert: And he said, Robert, you've got to get your team spun up because we've got a problem with this virus. And so I've been going since then and really since January 11th, when the “Wuhan seafood market virus” sequence was uploaded to the servers. And I made a threat assessment as I tracked the initial epidemiologic data and decided to focus on repurposed drugs. So there's a whole nother thread that the press doesn't pay attention to having to do with drug repurposing. And we now have drugs in clinical trials, but parking that with the vaccine story. I've been tracking it because of the work we've been doing with repurposed drugs. I was very aware that the virus manipulated the immune system by a bunch of different pathways, one of which was the spike protein. So I knew that the spike protein was biologically active and I had through this buddy network, I had alerted the FDA of this, as they started to roll this out and I started to get little signals that everything wasn't right. You know, something rotten in Denmark, but we're not sure what.

And I said to him, “You do understand that Spike is biologically active. It has activities. It's not just an antigen”. And they said, “Oh, send us the papers, OK?” So I sent him the papers and they sent them into the review branch because that's kind of compartmentalized off, makes sense the way it should be. And it came back to me. “Oh, well, they don't think that this is significant and there's no reason to slow down what's going on.” So that was kind of the starting point. And then there was a series of events in the New York Times reporter really forced me to go back to the emails and track it down. And it really was triggered by Steve Kirsch, this entrepreneur investor. So interesting guy and Silicon Valley. I mean, bona fide. And Steve's people don't realize Steve has a long standing commitment, unlike some wealthy tech folks that use their philanthropy to generate more profit. Steve, bona fide, gives away his money, and he's invested a lot of money in trying to advance this repurposed drug called fluvoxamine. And he got it through clinical trials at Wash U. And he just got stonewalled at the FDA, and he was really frustrated and somebody told him to contact this guy. Malone, who in some ways I hate to say it, but I am kind of a fixer within the government. Somebody a friend of mine who was a Russia specialist. So there used to be folks like that in the Soviet Union, where when the bureaucracy started collapsing and failing, there were people that became experts in making the bureaucracy work, even though it didn't work. And that's kind of part of what I do for a living. So somebody tells Steve to contact me to figure out what's going on and what he should do about it. He calls me. I set up a meeting with BARDA. And it's fascinating part is this Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency, which gives up the big bucks within HHS for new products and biodefense. So I set up a meeting with them and it is a fascinating moment for me where suddenly I realized I was the frog in the boiling water that that they had just turned up the heat. And I hadn't realized how thoroughly I'd been boiled up until that point, because Steve is coming in like the engineer that he is thinking that everything should make sense. And both I and the specialist from BARDA that I brought into this teleconference are both going, yeah, that that's how it should work,

but that isn't how it works. And it went on and on like this and Steve is getting more and more frustrated and that was like the first moment where I really realized what a crazy system we have built. And I just become acclimatized to it, and I hadn't really thought it out. Tucker:. I think we all have. But I wonder, what are we ignoring here? Have these vaccines worked? Have they achieved their advertised purpose? Robert: So, according to The Washington Post, they absolutely have. Yes. And I am guilty of disinformation according to the Homeland Security. Now I'm expecting to be called a terrorist any day. Tucker: It’s an act of terror. Robert: Yes, just questioning these things. So in the speech I gave on the Lincoln Memorial, what I said was these vaccines are clearly not working. They don't protect against infection, replication and viral spread. The pushback from the Post was, well, they are clearly working because they're preventing infection are they're preventing severe disease and death. The problem with that is, number one, that's not generally why you want a vaccine, that's really more a definition of a medicine, not a vaccine, a prophylaxis that keeps the virus from spreading. Remember, I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know about all the dialogue about seven weeks or two weeks to flatten the curve. And if you take the vaccine, we'll reach herd immunity. If 70 percent of you and then Tony says, Well, I just kind of pulled that number out of a hat because I thought it's what the American population would tolerate. Blah blah blah. It was clear early on, really in late March, April, that we had treatments that would keep people from dying and out of the hospital and they suppress those treatments. And it was clear, certainly by the time Delta hit, that these vaccines were not preventing spread. There was a CDC slide deck that was leaked to The Washington Post that clearly documented that the vaccine efficacy against Delta

would, even if one hundred and forty percent of the population you get the point took the vaccine. We would not reach herd immunity. So you asked the question, “Do the vaccines work?” Not by any standard that one would normally apply to vaccines, and certainly not with Omicron. Tucker: So I think most people watching, since they live in this country, would agree because it's demonstrably true what you just said, right? Everyone you know has gotten the VAX and gotten infected anyway, right? But at the same time, the government clearly has suppressed the development or even in the tech companies have suppressed the transmission of information about treatments. Why? What is the motive? That's what I don't understand. Robert: So there's two big questions, and actually, I give Bret Weinstein credit for having kind of really first said, it was right at the end of that podcast, he kind of raised the big “why” question, why and how. Yeah, those are the two big kahunas here. The nuance of “Is this working?” Were there therapies available, et cetera, et cetera. That's all pretty clear. But the why and how is hard to discern. One school of thought that is based on the Statutes for Emergency Use Authorization is that if there is an available agent which can provide protection against the threat, the emergency threat, and remember that we're still in an emergency, right?. If there's an agent that can provide protection against the emergency and mitigate the risk, then the emergency use authorization statute will no longer apply. It's not viable, which makes sense. So I asked the FDA about this specifically because this popped up as a rationale. A year and a half ago, people were talking about what the heck is going on with suppressing early treatments and what was going on with ivermectin and all that just didn't make any sense or hydroxychloroquine. I mean, hydroxychloroquine is the poster child here for what happened. And so I made a direct query, and they and I was told by an FDA official representative that that was not true, that they did not interpret the emergency use authorization in that way. And the case example was Remdesivir, which they asserted was effective. And yet they

were authorizing it and licensed it. And yet that wasn't interfering with the vaccines. I've repeatedly stated that, I believe, this administration and our government in general, and we can use these words like deep state or the bureaucracy or whatever, or we can just name Tony Fauci or whatever the surrogate is and there's merit to that. But that the government is lawless. They have gone off the reservation, they've run off the rails. They don't care, they're not accountable. And we're now seeing more and more evidence that's consistent with that. And so if you want to fact check me, you can refer to the Supreme Court and the various District Court findings that have overruled the mandates as just one example. The one that's popping up now is, it's just stunning to me is this whistleblower release of information from the DOD database, the DMSS database in the scramble to, on the fly, rewrite the data. I don't know how to say it, but… Tucker: Data that describe what Robert: These are the data that described the adverse events in the Department of Defense. This is the Defense Epidemiologic Surveillance System [health records database for military personnel] and the whistleblower. So I know Teresa Long, speak to her fairly frequently, spoke to her twice this morning. So she is the lieutenant colonel. There's three others, I think, total that are disclosing these data. So what happens is that… Tucker: I'm sorry, just for our viewers who aren't following this particular story, tell us what those numbers suggest. Robert: Massive increases in 2021 relative to 2020 and preceding years of multiple hundreds of percent, up to a thousand percent in a variety of adverse events, which is to say, diseases, that are suspected of being associated with the vaccine administration Tucker: And serious, serious adverse effects.

Robert: Yes, like cancer, heart attack, stroke, infertility. It is stunning to me, and as I said before, I take no pleasure in finding that the things that I've been raising alarms about, that those things that are popping up in this signal. Ryan Cole has been observing increased incidence of cancers and odd behaviors of cancers, to get in the nuance, cells replicating at a much higher level in a field of cancer cells than would normally be seen in that type of cancer. And he's been observing this, but it's all anecdotal. This is just what's coming across his microscope Tucker: Since you are one of the people in the country who understands how these vaccines work, do you think it's plausible that they increase the risk of cancer? Robert: Yes. Tucker: You do. Robert: Yes, so the for some reason, and there's just a paper out today that I cited, we ran a Substack and also pushed it out on Getter from an obscure journal called Cell from an obscure university called Stanford peer reviewed that demonstrates that the RNA, the synthetic RNAs, these RNAs don't have the normal chemical composition of regular RNA. They use a chemical called pseudouridine which is the basis for the Kariko and Weissman claims for the Nobel Prize. And so. these synthetic RNA seem to be sticking around in the body. They only tested up for 60 days. This is not how RNA is supposed to behave. It's supposed to get degraded within hours. So for some reason, these synthetic RNAs are sticking around for a really long time, including in lymph nodes. And they're yielding levels of spike protein that is higher than that that would be observed with natural infection. Tucker: Oh come on. Robert: So there's all this. I was originally fact checked back in the Bret podcast days by this Facebook funded organization called

Logically based in the UK, a young person with no science background criticizing me for saying that spike is a toxin, but spike is a toxin, and the native spike protein is clearly a toxin, and now we pretty well know that the vaccine encoded spike is a toxin. And the thing that's been the conundrum is why would you see more adverse events, more sickness associated with the spike from the vaccine than from the virus? Well now we know based on today's Cell paper, that we're actually getting a large amount of this spike protein produced in your body circulating in your body much higher than the level that you would get from a virus and when you infect with a virus, you're infecting your nose and your mouth. I don't know if you've been infected. I've had it twice. Tucker: I have. I had it pretty badly. Yeah, yeah. Robert: So it's not the flu. Tucker: It's not. I'm sorry to say this. I know nothing about science or medicine or health. The second I got it, my son said the same thing to me. You realize this is not naturally occurring. It has effects like, what is this? Robert: Yeah, yeah. So it's not nothing Tucker: And it's not nothing, I agree. Robert: But in the natural infection, it's hitting your mucosal surfaces and the virus is growing slowly. So you as your immune system is kicking in, you're getting more virus than they're kind of fighting with each other. With the vaccine, you're getting a surge of this protein that's hitting your body and it's coming into your whole circulation. So this paper now clearly documents that the levels are higher. The RNA is sticking around as long as they tested, 60 days is the length that they tested. It makes sense out of the vaccine injury stories that we hear where they have persistent symptoms, much as you do with the virus for long COVID. And what it gets to, Tucker, and this has been my core beef from the get go. When Byron Bridle first grabbed the

common technical document of Pfizer from the Japanese servers, the Japanese regulatory authorities, because the FDA won't disclose those documents, but he managed to get them from Japan, and it showed that the Pfizer and the regulatory authorities just hadn't done their job. They had applied the normal standards that are used in any vaccine development or drug development. Tucker: Meanwhile, this is a pharmaceutical product that is mandatory. You have to take it if you want to live here, effectively, and that exists under government granted immunity from legal recourse so it's extremely frustrating to see the lack of transparency. Robert: Right. That's a very gentle way of saying it. Tucker: People need to go to jail. That's kind of how I perceive it. But let me just ask, do you think it's possible that we will see a measurable increase in the incidence of cancer as a result of these medicines? Robert: Ok, so here comes the caveats. That data is a massive DNA data dump from the DOD and, by the way, it's being managed by a recently founded firm in Herndon, Virginia, that I believe has Chinese funding. And they assert that this problem with the database that caused the numbers to be low up until last year and then they suddenly spiked concurrent with when the vaccine started being administered. That was an artifact because they have had a problem they hadn't recognized up until the point that the whistleblower disclosed it with this data for the last six years. Ok, so that's the official Pentagon's position, and that for some reason last year it was perfect, and all prior years it was artificially low. That's the official… Tucker: Ok, well, I mean, that sounds like more lying, but it sure sounds… Robert: I think all of us believe that.

Tucker: Yes, it's true. That doesn't sound plausible. But let's just say that it is. At some point we're going to have longitudinal numbers on cancer incidents are track… Robert: So here's the thing Tucker, concurrent with this coming out, there have been reports from life insurance actuarial data. And that, as you know, that's kind of bombproof, that's big data from companies, Tucker: It's what they do, Robert: It's what they do and they do it well because if they get it wrong by a nickel that…, Tucker: 40 percent increase in excess death over one year between 18 and 64. Robert: And that's just from one agency. And so now Ed Dowd is tracking this, who used to work for BlackRock, a really high end analyst, is tracking the reports that are coming out from all of the other insurance industries, and they're all threading on the same line by the way. And again, I take no pleasure in this, but business is really up for mortuaries. Tucker: Ok, so right, where we are right now. So I think it's February 8, 2022. You've been villainized for this. Rogan's been villainized for it. I don't read my clips, but I assume I'm not as popular as I once was because having conversations like this. But these numbers are so big. You know, death numbers can't be faked. Robert: Because, and it's all consistent. Tucker: Right. So at some point, someone's going to have to answer the question like, what the hell is going on?

Robert: And I don’t think they're going to answer the question until the midterms? Ok, because you know the dynamics very well. And so I really… So the senator from Wisconsin, who I speak to frequently and we did that second opinion hearing. Tucker: I've known Ron Johnson since he got elected to the Senate. Something happened to Ron Johnson in the last year where he just became really fearless. Robert: He is pissed off. Tucker: Well, I just love watching it. Most people have changed for the worse in the last two years, Ron Johnson has changed for the dramatically better. And I'm grateful for it. Robert: I really enjoy interacting with the guy. Yeah. The first time I met him in his office on the Hill, we were the doctors that I work with this seventeen thousand physician group that I represent. So we did a little tour on the Hill, on the House and the Senate side. I was with the Senate group and I walked into his office and I was expecting… It was one of those moments where I suddenly became aware of how much the media had influenced my thinking. Yeah, when I encounter this average Midwestern straight arrow kind of a guy. Yeah, totally. And I have this mental image of a crazy guy in and suddenly I have this cognitive dissonance where I realize how much my thinking has been skewed by reading The New York Times, The Washington Post. Tucker: Oh, it's so true. That's true for basically every I mean… spend an afternoon with Bobby Kennedy Jr. Is he crazy? Robert: I now consider him one of my friends.

Tucker: I feel the same way. But if you read about Bobby Kennedy, it's always a monster. He's a Hitler. Robert: His family hates him. Tucker: No, he has seven kids and they all love him. So actually, Bobby Kennedy is one of the best adjusted people I've ever met. I mean, but it's all lies. Actually, that's true. Robert: When Bobby is, I think and I really enjoying interacting with you to deeply respect him, I just think if there's anybody that

deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, he is the one. I Couldn't agree more. But, think through as I try to imagine for myself, if as a young man, I had had my father and my uncle brutally murdered. Yeah, how damaged I would be. And I don't think I could have recovered. No. To become the person that he is. Tucker: The guy was at the age of 30. He was a drug addict and he beat it himself and went on to lead this remarkably productive and, in my opinion, virtuous life. He really achieved something. Yes, over against a horrible odds. Robert: And now, the Monsanto lawsuit, Water keepers, Children's health defense, fundamentally just trying to … I think there's a good chance as a vaccinologist, I'm embarrassed now to learn what the actual data are about the efficacy of vaccines and what has really caused the decline in infectious disease in children. The data are quite clear that declines basically parallels the improvement in sanitation prior to the implementation of the vaccines for almost all of these pediatric diseases. And if I live long enough, I suspect that we're going to see Bobby Kennedy totally vindicated if it's possible to for people to actually look at the data. Tucker: I'm well, so that's my broader question to you, is it or has something changed in the national character where the evidence isn't really relevant anymore? Robert: So regulatory capture and governmental corruption that… What I think for a lot of us, not for you, credit to you, but for many of us, I used to watch CNN and read the New York Times and The Washington Post and accept it as the gospel truth of the world. Having been through the last two years in directly experiencing these things, experiencing how the media does things. Dana Loesch, [“Omicron has no obvious immediate predecessor in

other circulating viruses”],the other day, just who I'm going to be on her show in a couple of days, just let it rip about what she's experienced and what she's seeing. I think for a lot of us that have been in the crucible. You cannot go through the last two years without being transformed into grieving, acutely aware of how compromised our government is. And it's not just our government. For me, I've been dragged kicking and screaming, just resisting this whole World Economic Forum thing and. the kind of the epiphany moment for me was when I encountered the young leaders program and the videos of Klaus Schwab bragging about how he has basically infiltrated all of the Western governments. Tucker: I believe Justin Trudeau participated in that, didn't he? Robert: Justin Trudeau, Gavin Newsom. Yeah, it goes on and on. Matter of fact one of the things that we're going to do on our Substack is we're going to try to do the diligence and map the young leaders program graduates to their various positions throughout the North American government, structured Canada and the United States because they're all over. Tucker: Every neoliberal robot with power. It seems like came through that. Robert: And what they what one of the characteristics they seem to share, if you look at Gavin Newsom and Justin Trudeau as two exemplars, the leader of New Zealand, I mean, the list just goes on and on and on, is they don't seem to be big thinkers. 48* Tucker: No, and not at all. Robert: They're very much party line people. That was a confusion to me, too, until I saw the website where the World Economic Forum lays out its policy positions. Very fascinating. It's interactive. If you click on COVID 19, it shows how that relates to global warming and everything else.

Tucker: Exactly. Climate change, institutional racism, COVID. It's all a matrix. Yeah, but it is. Oh, I know it is. Robert: It's all there. I'm a guy that looks at the evidence, OK? I'm like, Let's see the data. Show me the data. And does it make sense out of the hypothesis and what are the alternative hypotheses. To my eye It looks like this set of policies have been established, policy positions, and you have all of these folks who have been trained to basically regurgitate those policy positions, regardless of whatever the context is within which they're operating. And so what you have is like global perspectives implemented locally through this network of acolytes that have been trained. And they what what's fascinating and so dysfunctional is that they're not they're not powered intellectually or by training or whatever to adapt to these, these policy positions to the local environment. Exactly. And so we end up with diktat from a centralized global authority being implemented locally in the context of the response. Bobby nailed it in the last third of that book, where he went through these various training exercises they've done. And the way I like to put it is they developed a battle plan assuming a highly lethal virus and a highly effective vaccine. For some reason, when the CIA convenes a bunch of folks to do a battle plan, they seem to come down to the need for an autocratic solution, a totalitarian solution. I can't imagine why. And so they have this plan, the multiple plans of all this endpoint and they have just blindly gone along in a minute. They never… So I deal with them. Tucker: Maybe that's the answer to the question of motive. Maybe these are people with sort of limited range intellectually who've been given the explanation before they even got the real life answer. And they're just, there's a highly lethal virus. This is an entirely effective vaccine. Proceed from there. Robert: Yeah, and in none of those war games have they assumed that a repurposed drug would be effective?

Tucker: Well, exactly. That's exactly right. Robert: And so it wasn't kind of in their mental space Tucker: Because we already know it's not right. Robert: Right? By Caveat. Tucker: Right. Which, of course, I mean by definition is the opposite of science. It's the opposite of empiricism. We're not paying attention to cause and effect, but it's just ideology. Robert: It is. OK. And so one of my journeys is, for me in retrospect, is fascinating.. At one point, Glenn Beck asked me to be on his program and he was on for multiple days, and before I did that, I was like, Glenn Beck, I don't know. This is, it's like far from there it goes to Alex Jones. It's all downhill. Tucker: It's awesome. Robert: And so I was like, I don't know, well. Ok let's try it. If I could get the message out, like Bobby said, if I could get the message out, I don't care. Ok, so I go on Glenn Beck. And we have this chat over multiple days, and at the end of it, he says, I really enjoyed this because we get politics out of it, and during the course of that, I had the epiphany that what we are going to see is a realignment politically around a different axis, not left and right, but rather collectivism versus freedom to choose. That's right, and I'm seeing it play out exactly like that. Tucker: Well, Naomi Wolf, one of the founders of Third Wave Feminism, who I always imagined I had nothing in common with and didn't like, and I made fun of her many times on TV. Also, I'm texting with Naomi Wolf, and she's like the most fact based, sincere sort of pro-America pro-reality person I talked to today. Yeah, it's beautiful. Robert: I so I haven't said this before. So we get a Christmas card

from this interracial couple and lovely kids and happy family. It's Ginni Thomas. Tucker: Oh, no, I know her well. I love Ginni Thomas. Robert: She's a sweet person. Yes. So my whole reality framework has been flipped around. Yeah. And in this. I'm grateful for the openness of conservative media to engage with me and Bobby and all of my colleagues. You're the only ones that'll talk to us. And you're the only ones that seem to be open to what's going on and to really analyzing it and in processing the actual information and data. Tucker: Well, I believe in our systems and I want to live in a country that has a functioning public health problem for the federal bureaucracy. I mean, I want to believe that it kind of works. It's a big bureaucracy. It's not going to work well, but it should work. It shouldn't be entirely political, you know what I mean? Robert: Yeah, so I'm not sure. So that's why I introduced the WEF thread.. So in this in this progression of reveal that I've walked over time, one of the key points was connecting with Steve Bannon, who was another, it's Glenn Beck, why not go on Steve Bannon? Tucker: What the hell? What did your wife and kids say, by the way, when you went on Steve Bannon? Robert: My wife is totally behind me. My kids really would prefer that I didn't talk about my kids, Tucker: Right, I know the feeling. Yeah, how about your friends? Were people like whatever happened…? Robert: It's split? The world is split along a different line. But where I was going to go with Steve is he started to use the term, “the party of Davos” and I think that that's more than just political slang.

Tucker: Oh, I agree. Robert: I think it captures... I do think I've been dragged into this, but I'm now of the opinion that we have had a 30 year effort to subvert the Western democracies by a group of people that are backed by big money that believe in the concept of a centralized government for the world. And I have spent enough time at the World Health Organization and dealing with Europeans and EMA folks to know that the culture that gives rise to that is deeply dysfunctional and that dysfunctionalism becomes particularly apparent during times of rapid change where you have to have leadership. This consensus committee decision making is horrible when you have a crisis. And we are watching it play out. And just to your audience, here's my argument. Even if you aren't committed to freedom, to choose and personal liberty, even if you are inclined to buy into the idea of the benefits of a centralized government, which I'm not. I think diversity is a good thing in governments. And even if you were after seeing the last two years, is this the cast of characters that you want to give up your liberties for? No. They are grossly incompetent. I don't see how you can make any other conclusion. Tucker: I agree with that. And I mean, it's the theme of our show at night and as someone who spent his life in Washington, it's a source of discouragement every day watching this creeping, I just want to go out on this. I want to ask you about and sort of keep going back to this Rogan thing. I've never met Rogan. I don't know Rogan at all. But this moment was a huge change, not just for you, I think, but certainly a change for Rogan, I mean, after this interview. His enemies redoubled their efforts to take him down, and we're sort of as this is being shot, I don’t know when this is going to air, but as of right now, his future is, my judgment is it's kind of up in the air, but they've really gone after him. Robert: So there's some hard lessons here and I find it fascinating because I assume Joe,… so I really enjoyed the guy. But I was a carpenter and a farmer, and I live in a red county and I run a horse farm. So I was totally comfortable.

Tucker: Oh, I admire Rogan. I'm not criticizing him in any way. Robert: I'm not saying you… I'm saying on a personal level, I've really enjoyed interacting with him and hanging with him. But I find his response to this fascinating. A journalist, Kristin Lin, pinged me with his first hostage video that was on Instagram. And I was sitting around a campfire in Maui at the time and this thing comes across and I'm like in and my first reaction is, do I got tire tracks on my back from being thrown under the bus? And then it rolled out and we watched it a little bit more. I think he is, as I look back at what's happened, I think he's been a little naive. I think that he didn't recognize and it was part of the blindness. I think he genuinely represents a center left, blue collar frame of reference and they have just really damaged that cohort. Those that are on the left, they basically just alienated a whole fraction, just having already pissed off the moms and the African-Americans with all of these policies and a lot of the youth that have been subjected to mandated vaccines. Now they've alienated blue collar center people and unaligned people, which is really what Rogen represents, particularly younger ones. Ok. And but Joe? Joe bent the knee. He thought that he could concede and they would leave him alone if he basically apologized and that is not how this game is played. This is full on media war and you do not get a break by saying, “I'm sorry.” And then, so it comes out. The next reveal is that Neil Young has a financial conflict of interest, having sold a large fraction of his portfolio to BlackRock. And then it comes out that with the I'm not going to name the words that were used, the N-word repeatedly was pulled out and you could do the same thing to the president by going back to his old clips if you wanted to, if you were so inclined. And it comes out, apparently, that the group that made this little attack cropped clip that resulted in Joe's second hostage video on Facebook. Fascinating. First one's on Instagram. Why go to Facebook? Was this left wing super PAC that is Meidas Touch with a misspelling of Midas as if it was media. And apparently they want to have his head on the wall because it's going to help them with future fundraising. And it has nothing to do with vaccines. It has nothing to do with me or me and Peter McCullough. And the proof of that in the pudding is if they really cared about the vaccine story, then they would have hit Bobby, who

also has a Spotify channel, but nothing. This was about taking out Rogan, and I think Rogan was perceived as a threat on multiple levels. It wasn't just that he was a good trophy to hang on your wall if you want to gin up more capital for your Hollywood based superPAC, which is what we're dealing with here. Was it three brothers I think that are about this, but what Joe did wrong was this appeasement. You cannot do that with these people. And that's the lesson. The same lesson that I just am about to get good and hard from the New York Times. I'm sure by letting them into my house, I was presented to me. They're going to write this story about you anyhow. And so you might as well let them interview you. But they're not about fair. It's not about objective analysis or reporting of facts. It's full on media war. Tucker: Do you remember the reporter's name who came into your house. Robert: Davey. I forget her last name, but I've got her texts and stuff. But so that'll come out. But the point is that Joe’s story, it was all spun. Glenn Greenwald did, two. That were really useful. About one was back when he with the interceptor back last fall. Yeah, and he did a piece about how they were coming for Joe Rogan back then. And then he did another one. After all, this broke and he turned on the media, as he does these days and listed all of their misinformation and pointed out this has nothing to do with misinformation and gave multiple, multiple examples. This is about political warfare and information warfare. Full stop. And all of this chatter that many have bought into that this is about culture wars or it's about vaccines. No, it's not. It's about power and money. You know, it's about Spotify’s market cap dropping. So fascinating point is that the major owner of Spotify, the top owner of Spotify, is also the top owner of Moderna. Yes. Ok, so we have to kind of get out of the frame of reference of what’s being pitched to us, that this is about culture wars because it's about way more than culture wars, it's about power and money and culture wars is a nice, easy way to divide us against ourselves.

Tucker: Right. Boy, this moment has changed you. Robert: So the question that we face, my wife and I, is what next,.because the good news is that the emergency is over my friends. It was over in March or April of 2020 when we figured out how to treat this with early drugs. This has just been Kabuki since. It’s been passion play and this emergency declaration has got to stop. And when it stops, the whole house of cards collapses, because all this emergency use authorization and all these other extraconstitutional things that they’ve laid out on us, constraining our freedoms, forcing the masks, stopping economic activity, all that kind of stuff that the science says is absolutely unjustified, that all stops. As Bobby laid out these three things in his memorial speech that set the MSNBC on fire, hey just lost it at the end of his speech where he said you have to remember these three things. And basically what he’s saying is that when they grab power, they don’t give it back unless you force them to give it back. That’s the core message and it is time to do that. It is time now. We have to force them to give back these extraordinary powers. They are extraconstitutional. They are not justified, There is no crisis. The Omicron has destroyed the narrative as I predicted with Laura before Christmas, I took a risk with that one, bless her heart, but she validated me afterwards and thanked me for having done it. You guys have been really kind to me. The other day when I was on and some kind things were said in that little segment right after yours with Hannity. It’s nice to be treated nicely. It’s really nice. So now we’re getting to what next because this thing is wrapping up. It’s over. It’s just the endgame now. They have blown it. If the Senate flips, Ron Johnson is running again because he is mad as hell and he’s going to get to the bottom of this and he will be able to force the hearings and this all will come and there is going to be no place left to hide from what the ugly truth is Paul Merrick also. HHS is deeply corrupted soup to nuts. The whole health care system is, the hospital system is, our fellow physicians, what are we going to do? Tucker: Individual physicians have shown profound cowardice, it is

disgusting. Patients are going to be using CDB oil at home because everyone is going to be afraid to go to the freaking doctor because they displayed such bad judgement and poor character. Robert: There was a guy after WWII named Vannevar Bush who came in on presidential order and restructured our whole research enterprise. And I’ve had people say why don’t you run for this office or that office or try to get an appointment in the next administration. I really don’t want to sit in an office and genuflect to my House leader or my Senate leader or whatever. But I would love to be involved in a commission and participate in some kind of Vannevar Bush-like initiative to really look soup to nuts at what we’ve done here. Tucker: Yeah, because this clearly is not the way a great nation behaves. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate how much I appreciate you coming in today, Dr. Robert Malone and for your bravery and the risks you have taken when you didn’t need to do anything like what you’ve done, but you’ve done it anyway and I am grateful that you did. Dr. Robert Malone, not an entertainer! [More]