Laura Lucille (Spiritual Teacher) : Dialogues with Laura Lucille

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Laura Lucille (Spiritual Teacher) -- YouTube talks transcript (2 April 2025)

Temecula, California, United States About Laura Lucille Laura Lucille’s interest in the Truth started early in her childhood but was fully ignited when she met Lester Levenson in the late 1970s. Their close association blossomed into a lasting friendship that lasted until his passing in 1994. Lester Levenson, whose awakening had happened without a prior meeting with a “teacher,” introduced Laura Lucille to the beauty of non-duality and Ramana Maharshi’s teachings. A few days after his passing Laura Lucille met Robert Adams, spiritual teacher of the Advaita tradition, a direct disciple of Ramana. It was the beginning of another wonderful spiritual friendship. ________

Welcome. Yes. Allow the body To relax into that which is holding it. You have your eyes closed. Could you direct your attention to the field where thinking seems to appear, seems to come and go. You seem to notice the openness, the space, the emptiness. And if there is agitation of thinking, notice the choice. Resist thinking? Not be what is? The stinginess. Stingness naturally allowing all agitations. What is the choice to direct the attention to the agitation or to open the attention to a stillness. You open to the possibility that whatever that is that you might be experiencing is quiet, silent, stillness is an open invitation twenty four seven, moment to moment. Because it is so. You are invited to be where you truly are. From moment to moment. So just for this moment, would you let go the sense of wanting to ignore this ever open invitation? So during the my meditation, I there were moments that I was able to be in that emptiness. And There's a recent situation that there's I'm holding on because there's a lot of resistance. Okay. So what? You see? The emptiness doesn't change. Where you are is unchanging, perfect. It's just a choice, you see. Do you rather be do you rather identify identify with the content? What seems to look as a lot of resistance? Or do you rather be that which is welcoming all of that? Resistant, being resisting to the resistance, all of that. I I prefer bike where it's empty. I prefer it out. It's empty right now. Now you may say, but it doesn't feel that way. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So are you the Yes. Up until now, we somehow it has been happening like that that you were going at home because it's been kind of a a tendency, you know, to identify with it with the sensations that seems to appear in the chest, so to speak. I had I had it happen a couple of times where there is, like, externally, like, I'm yelling, just screaming. But then inside, like, the the experience is that, like, I'm not it's that's not me. That's not, like, it's not I don't like, somebody from the outside could look and be like she's feeling a lot of pain or she's really unhappy or, like, the internal experience was that there was I don't know. Is that is that what you're talking about? No. I mean, right here, right now, are you are you right now, are you feeling the same way or different since we started to speak? My I'm feeling the same way. The same way. Okay. So so just the same way that means the same the same way about that? You are still feeling having a feeling or do you what do you mean the same way? There is the same way. Like, there, there is resistance. Like, I feel sadness about something. Yeah. Okay. Yes. So so so it's a reaction about a reaction to an event. Correct? Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. That's right. I did it several times because we have the tendency to hold on to this reactivity, to the reactions to

events. So just notice, Anna, because there is not a nana, there is not a Laura, there is not a helper, there is not someone who is being helped. It's only the openness. The openness that is. So it is always up to where you are, this openness. So do you rather look towards the openness, or do you rather keep yourself fixated into an object? Oh, would I rather Yeah. At least just for this moment, you see? Because we are, these are experiments. Experiment that when we make them, we really have some immediate, sometimes very immediate, sometimes a little bit, and then it gets more and more. But the immediate, I said, oh, wait a minute. So what you're experiencing is the freedom of choice, the only the only freedom there is. There is only one freedom, and it's about this sort of choice that seems to appear, which is to go along with feelings and thoughts or to rest the best you can at that which is aware of it. I don't know. Sometimes it happens by itself, and sometimes I don't know how to do it. No. But right here right. We're talking about right here, right now. So would you like to so you you feel that right now is not happening? Yeah. Okay. So that's alright. So that means that you are more interested in in in holding on. It's okay. Okay. So just realize, oh, wow. That's what I I mean, I didn't realize that, but that's what I want. I want to hold on for that. I want to squeeze juice out of that for a little longer. K. And see what happens. Oh, okay. Because that's freedom. He said, you know what? I thought I wanted to to let it go, but, no. Actually, I I want to hold on to it for a little longer. So what I could ask you is could you can you sense the wanting to hold on to that? Yeah. I can. Oh, so can you even go deeper? Even sense deeper the sense of want. I can't. Free from free from agenda. You simply sense even deeper the sense of wanting. Yeah. I can. Right? And notice how that just by that, something has loosen up. Yeah. Yeah. That is what somehow is very helpful which is to forget about, not about the reaction, but really go and sense the sense of wanting. That is generating whatever you're experiencing. Well, what do I do with it? What do you mean what you do with with it? With a sense of wanting? Yeah. Yes. Just notice just begin. Notice the sense of wanting even deeper. And did you notice how the sense of wonder is naturally abrobing it, naturally loosening up? A little bit? Yeah. If it's a little bit, it's because that's all you want for the moment. Oh. You see, because you are free. So nothing is imposing freedom. So when we note these are those kind of experiences, Anna, that is inviting you to see how much we're still wanting to hold on to that which is not real. You see? So since you are none of that, it gives you a perspective. Say, oh, wow. This consciousness here still lies to hold on to things. You see? So you, the seer, sees that the moment you are being the seer, impersonal. So it's impersonal? It's, still wanting? The per the the wanting is personal. The the personal will say the wanting is desire for to stay stay involved with that which is not real. So for for this moment, Anna, I will invite you to forget everything you think you know. And keep it very simple. You see? And is that whatever is comes to you and is repetitive or is bothering you, immediately take it to the source. And the source is wanting wanting for that to be different, wanting for that not to be there, wanting to for that, wanting or having the need of explaining or having the need of being different. Is wanting a need, it feels the same way. The need is a little more superficial, the wanting is even deeper. So take it to the source and the source is always about wanting. Wanting to be or not to be. Because the moment that you are when the the sense of wanting loosens loosens up, it relaxes. Then you experience a moment of peace.

You experience the peace that is actually here, the relaxation that is actually here. Is that what we all be interested in? That's all we will experience where you are, where it's ever here. So that what keeps you into ignoring it is the sense of want. Can I can I choose not to want? Of course. You're choosing not to want the moment that you sense the wanting and let it be what actually is. Only energy. I don't know what that means. Only energy. That is the mind again wanting to figure it out. Have you noticed that when you welcome something, it used to feel very solid with a shape and a form and all of a sudden it disappears and you just feel a movement. Yeah. Yeah. So it takes a lot of energy to maintain that which is not real. A lot of energy. So that energy take the shape of a thought, that energy take the shape of a feeling, what we call reactions, moods. So the moment you are not any longer interested in it, that energy unravels and goes by where it came from. Where you are. I I see that. Yeah. So, you know, energy is like the what you that which is not real needs electricity. The moment you pull the the the the thing off, it collapses. And you I do have a strong tendency to understand. Pardon me, sweetheart. You have a strong what? Want? Want like, a strong tendency to want to understand. Yes. You and 99 comma 9% of beings. As long as you identify with the mind, the mind wants to figure it out Because the mind doesn't know. The mind can never know where you are. You see? So what what what you are that to which the mind appears and you are that to which the wanting to understand appears. But what you will open to experience is that each time you let go the wanting to understand it, what is covering what you really want to know is the wanting. So the more open to the possibility that the moment you release this wanting, you will have an answer. But we don't give it a chance. And what we're here is opening to give to what you are a chance. And you are giving yourself a chance to what you are a chance when you are not any longer acting from that which is not real, a desire, a want. So again, it's only experientially because when you see it experientially then you will know. But you will know from the knowingness that you are. And then, of course, that knowingness will be there in the mind and you will know. But you see it's it's it's danger going for the real knowing Because that when the mind is wanting to know, the mind always will know relative relative information. Because when the mind wants to know something, it's because it's asking for a for a concept. It's asking for a new concept in order to accommodate all the other concepts and keep being in mind. But what you are is you have never been in mind. But still we we want to go along with in mind. Although you have never been in mind, you still want to go along with being in mind. Until you all of a sudden say, wait a minute. Enough of that. I'm trying to make the enough of that happen right now. Yeah. So and and how did you make that enough of that to to keep it keeping it very simple? When when when you're not experiencing whatever it is, oh, when things are not going smoothly, when you're not feeling fine, say, oh, I must be wanting. Let me see. Oh, and you will find out that, yes, you're wanting. Oh, I must be wanting so I can, you know, that recognition is huge. Oh, I must be wanting. Things are not falling into place. Things are there is no flaw. Oh, I'm feeling always or unpleasant things around me that I that I would like to change. I would like for them to be different. Right? So you're very much wanting. If your if your surroundings are unpleasant, you're very much wanting to change your surroundings. Isn't it? Yeah. So you never know what it will be when you have released this wanting. You never know how your surroundings may turn out. You never know. You never know because what you are is unlimited is infinite, and there is infinite possibility that can fall into place. The moment you are not any longer limiting these possibilities by holding on to a limitation. Each time you're holding on to a limitation, you are limiting the possibilities. Each each time I'm holding on to a one thing? And the wanting is a limitation.

Yes. The wanting is the acceptance that you don't have what you would like to have. I didn't get that. I didn't understand that. That is you are wanting something is because you feel you don't have it. Correct? Yeah. So wanting is the acceptance that of lack. That's what wanting is. Wanting is the acceptance to lack. So when you're releasing wanting, you're also releasing lack. You're also really, you see? The thing is that when we give all this information to the mind then the mind is starting to make concepts out of it. Because remember what you're releasing is the mind itself. And the reason that the mind wants to figure it out is because the sense of mind is survival, wants to make sure that it's because the mind is mortal. Then because the mind is not real. You have experience, right, that thoughts are not real because sometimes they were very alive and then they disappear. They disappear, right? Yep. Yes. So right now, just notice that the reason that it feels so intense is because you're making it serious, you're making it very important, and you're making it urgent. Yeah. All of the above. Exactly. All of that belongs to the realm of mind. And that's what the beauty as you get freer that the urgency of life loosens up. So so, yes, the the the you see the the so what unravel the the the bowl, you know, the bowl when you open it's like you have a beautiful gift and he has a bowl. And when you open that bowl, you are opening the bow to happiness when you release the one thing. When you are and releasing simply means to sense it and go to even deeper than that. And when you go even deeper than it, naturally it releases. It gets lighter. And you experience what you are, relaxation, peace. So in that peace is what we we are very busy ignoring. Sometimes I'm interested in the piece. Like, it happens by itself, and sometimes I'm very interested. Very, very, very interested. Yes. And those Yeah. That's that's why we're having these meetings, you see, to, to, eventually well, is it relevant whether you're interested or not? It's just is. Because where you are is. It's all we know about it. It is. It's naturally existing. So I don't have to try to control control the wanting? Like It's no. Just let let it go. Like, see what happens because as long as you're busy to control it, it will the same event will appear again and again and again and it's very repetitive. But when you let go of wanting it you don't know what will happen to that event. The event will disappear out of your life but you will see it. Say, oh, the thing is that we need to do that again and again and again and again. You know why? Because while you are peace itself, happiness itself is free from memory. It doesn't hold on to all those happy memories. Because what you are is immemorable. So just open it's only an experiment, all we're inviting you to experiment is, Ah, things anything that bothers you. Wonderful. What a wonderful opportunity to notice the one thing because if it's bothering you, you are wanting it to change it, you're wanting it to be different. And as and again, as long as you want to do that, it will stay there. The moment you are not any longer wanting to do anything with it, you we don't know what will happen. We don't know. The thing that may happen is that you're no longer perturbed by it, but then there are so many solutions that can happen because all of that all of that event is appearing in the infinite possibilities of where you are. What I'm what I'm trying to communicate is, like, I'm noticing that I don't have control over, like, when I'm when I'm interested or when I'm interested in the piece. Like, it just happens by itself. Okay. So used. Yeah. So about that, would you like to change it or it's fine the way it is? Oh, yes. I want to change it. Okay. I see that. Okay. Very good. You see? Just Okay. So and but what's interesting is that you nearly had immediate release. Oh, Jung, and it happened very fast. You see? Yeah. It's it's really and it released, you know, released in the in the in the shape of laughter, which is a wonderful release. You

see? You see? Immediately, you experience this what you are, this happiness. Oh, yeah. Okay. You see? Yeah. What you are is such a fountain of happiness. It's such a fountain and it's unlimited fountain of happiness That feels like peace, relaxation, fullness, completeness. Nothing is too serious. You have perfect clarity. That's your experience all the time? It's not your experience all the time. The moment you don't go wrong with the mind, that's what is. And that's what I mean that's what I'm sharing. You know, stop going along to the mall. The mall being the mind. You know, in America, we have this tendency to go to the mall. Right? We go to the mall for the movies. We go to the mall because that is where the supermarket is. We go to the mall because that's where the boutiques are. We go to the mall because that's where the yogurt store is or the shoe store. I mean, all everything is in the mall. Right? So to the mind, we'll go everything to the mind. We're actually living in the mall. You see? So what I'm inviting you is take a trip away from the mall. Thank you. And you're welcome. Welcome. So get comfortable and allow the attention to flow to that to whatever it is that you call the inside. And simply notice whatever is that it is. That is awake. Aware, aware of being aware. Yet aware of an awareness. In that awareness, could you let what is be? And could you notice how this awareness is aware of an awareness, yet is uninterrupted. And divided. For instance, could you notice being aware of the sound of this voice or perhaps of any sounds? Around the area where the body is sitting. Yes. And simply notice Our awareness is just aware yet untouched and I'm derrupted. So simply allow yourself to be and be and be what you already are. Aliveness, awake, aware, uninterrupted, simply present. Yes. Welcome to where you truly are. What could say that part to which the experiencing part appears? Yes. Welcome to that part that is equally and impartially and every single being you're in touch with. And every single being that you're in touch with either directly or indirectly. The self. Allow the self to invade. Allow it to constantly invade, penetrate, take charge like a good invader. Whatever you're experiencing, allow what you are to self to invade the rest of what you experience or what he's experienced. Yes. One could say as the beautiful Master Yogananda used to say, people open to religion to know the real meaning of religion. And the real meaning of religion is knowing God. And here we are beyond religion. Because now we know that God is that, whatever that is. That in this moment is fully aware, effortlessly alert. And consciously listening. And as that listening, the best you can, could you allow it to be what is or how it feels? Rich. The richness, this richness that it feels is the richness of not wanting. So could you allow yourself to experience the richness of no wanting? The best you can. That's true wealth. Being where you are, where you are is the richness of no wanting. Allow this richness to be as full as it is, as complete as it is. And even more, could you open to the richness of where you are, the richness of no one thing. There isness of fullness, completeness that naturally dissolve, the imagined uncompleteness. They imagined poverty. That is the imagined poverty of a spirit. So, again, could you open to the richness? Of fullness, to the richness of no one. And allow this richness just for this moment to fulfill the totality of your experiencing. The totality of your spirit. The singing spirit of you, the singing spirit of life. And lastly, allow yourself to consciously and fully rest at where you truly are. The wellness, the richness of what is real. The richness of no desire. The richness of completion. That eliminates naturally the imagined and completion, or the imagined uncompleteness. So allow yourself to rest at that what you are, the richness of completion. And allow the imagine and completion to naturally dissolve in its own. Naturally unraveling his own. As he have never belonged because he has never belonged to anyone or to anything.

Because what you are is not a thing. And you're open to be what you are. When you allow the self that you are to be what is. Rich, complete, whole. So allow the wholeness That is naturally, equally and impartially as what you are and all beings. Have you noticed that when consciously deciding to just be and be and be, you're opening to a deeper listening within you. And at this opening, would you see how will this listening to happen? First, you don't need a thought. Like, listening to this voice, listening to the inner voices that you may experience in your head, or any other sounds you may be experiencing in your surroundings. So while letting yourself be and be and be. Would you notice how outer or inner listening happens simultaneously, timelessly as you might be experiencing it at this moment. Tell me, what is that you would like right now? Let's let's start right now from scratch again. So what is that at this moment you would like to do or understand? What is it? Okay. I would like to understand how important is it to have no thought in regard to presence. It's irrelevant. For presence, it's irrelevant. So you can be present and still have thoughts? You what? The thought wouldn't exist without your divine presence. The thought wouldn't be perceived without what you are, perceiving presence. The thoughts take us away from presence? No. Thought wouldn't exist unless presence is there first. So thoughts come and go. Be interested in that which doesn't come and go. So less less thoughts isn't really important? It is. The thing is that when we naturally are interested more in the silence, in the quietness, in the peace of the divine presence that you are, The mind goes quiet because happiness is a quiet mind. The thing is that we have conscious thinking and unconscious thinking. So, most of the conscious thinking for most of us is lighter, much lighter, but still there is unconscious thinking. Unconscious thinking that is that one that generates your behavior. Unconscious thinking is all the concepts that we're holding on to that generate your your behavior, generate your likes, your dislikes, your opinions. Because while you are divine presence is free from concepts, therefore is free from any likes, dislikes, interpretations, opinions, better or worst. What you are is already perfect. What you are is undisturbed, is unperturbed by thought. That which gets perturbed by thought is not presence. What gets perturbed what get perturbed by thought is just one more state of mind. Yeah. I understand that. You know, it was very interesting talking about, conscious thinking and unconscious thinking, and, I never really thought of it that way. But for, for an example of conscious thinking that's lighter you know, If I go into a store and they play music, a lot of times, the last song I hear before I leave the store, that song will just be going around and around. And, so I you know, like, there it is, and there it is. You know what I mean? I don't fight it. But Yes. That what you're saying, by the way, the mind, you that is the living proof that the mind is the collector. Collects everything. Yeah. Though in that moment, you collect the mind since you are not much somehow, you you you are quiet what you are. So the mind right now didn't have anything to offer you, only the recording of that music. You see? So you see it for what it is, but the reason that the the the the music kept going on, just notice the the wanting it not to be like that. You see, go less in the head and go more in the heart. Go and I know what's go is not the I thought also include the I feeling. The I feeling that I don't I will like that music not to keep playing. Or we like it not to be like that. You see, it's something about it that you would like it to be different, isn't it? You know, sometimes, yes. But sometimes, I just notice it. No. I'm not I'm not talking as long as you generalize, you are not being specific. And one of the ways that we hold on to mind is by generalizing. Generalizing is from mind. Being specific is from what you are. Because what you are is only right here, right now. You understand what I mean? Yeah. Generalizing is about an imagined past or an imagined future. We're having a dialogue and I would like this dialogue to

to to it's just that I'm inviting you to to notice how we go into a tangent. I just I just need to say this, though. How Yes. Of course. Say whatever is arising on you. When I when I see this, it it's just an example of my mind just thinking, thinking, thinking. I notice it, but I don't necessarily push back against it or or label it this is wrong. I just notice it, but I'm wondering since hearing these people talk about no thought, I was just wondering, you know, is it important, or doesn't it it doesn't matter if that's happening. It's happening. What you are is already thoughtless. And thought, if they come and go and you don't identify with them, that's fine. What is all the thought that may arise in is the unconscious, unconscious unraveling. So let all those thoughts come and go. Ah, I think now we're onto something. Yes. You see, you are this ever present. So the unconscious is unraveling and is as long the the thoughts come and you do and you are being as you are, not identifying with that, they come and go. Yeah. That's true. You see? It's like all of a sudden you open the faucet because you want the all the tubes, you know, to be to be clean. So all the faucet opens, it's coming everything. So it's like a the mind is right now like an open when you when you stay in the presence that you are, the mind becomes like an open faucet. It starts to bring thoughts, and all of them are thoughts from whatever. But now you know you're not any longer full. That's what the mind does. The mind only thinks. You see, but as long if you don't identify with the mind, it's it's it's irrelevant what the mind brings to you. Irrelevant. So in this moment, what happened, what caught your attention of the mind? Oh, thoughtless. We have to find out what is that. You see, the mind give you, oh, we need that in order to be happier. We you see, the mind is always, oh, we need to do something. We need to become thoughtless. Now that is the mind. Mhmm. You're already thoughtless. Mhmm. Because you are thoughtless allows for thoughts to come and go. Mhmm. There is actually nothing wrong with thoughts if you don't pay attention to them. That's why the mind goes naturally quiet. Mhmm. So you see, there is nothing to accomplish wrong. Oh, I need to be thoughtless to really be free. And that's why your question is which now I understand your question, where it came from, and we can address it for it is. To you, what you are is indifference if the mind is thoughtless or not. Yeah. I can understand that. You see you see what you are is untouched, is unaffected by any thought, in this case, images, sounds, reactions. Yeah. But include your heart, include whatever reactions you feel, and let the and and when you notice that it's a reaction, oh, that's it. The reaction will naturally unravel. Mhmm. You see, it's okay you reacted to this statement about thoughtlessness. Right? Yeah. So so in that moment you will have reacted like, oh, well, I don't know what it is. I don't have that. But because the reaction doesn't have to be strong, it can be very light. Like in your case, it would be very light because there is not violence. When when we feel, reactions very intensely, it's because there is violence still within us. But as we get freer and lighter, the sense of violence also dissipates. Yeah. Hey, Laura? Yes? Hi. Hi. That was really touching and helpful. I was in some difficulty, I thought, anyway, communicating with a friend. Sometimes it seems like I'll just blaze ahead and say things. You know? I mean, I I wanna be free, but you have to be sensitive to who you're talking to. And sometimes I'm, you know, very busy and stimulated, and I'll just say that shoot shoot from the hip and make a joke or a sensitive friend. They'll pick up, wait a minute. Where is that coming from? And it's so it's it seems like sometimes it's a delicate balance, but having enough self awareness so these unconscious things don't come out in a way you don't want them to. But I you know, if the if the connection their relationship is good enough, then you can always clean up the mess later.

Yeah. As long you're thinking that there is a later. Yeah. Well, there's that. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, here we're taking everything here in this kind of meeting is where we have the opportunity to truly see the automatic thinking, the unconscious thinking. Yeah. Because even like you're saying, well, we'll take care of the mass later. Just wanted that unconscious tendency from which is generating your behavior. You see? You see, that is how we, as we, when the consciousness that we are, when we are truly listening what the mind says. Because when you're open to listening to the mind says what you just voiced, you're voicing what the mind says, didn't it? I mean, so maybe this is just the mind, but how I saw it was, okay, I communicate there was some kind of residue of ignorance, like, you know, a feeling of anger that I was that's just kind of very low level from, you know, the ignorant feeling and thinking of the past, and that was coming out indirectly. So that seems to be what one needs to be aware of sometimes, and that's kind of what we're doing here. Maybe it's just a different No. What you need to be aware is what you are or about what you are. Yeah. Okay. The undemand the undemanding presence. What you are is free from thoughts, free from feelings, free from opinion. Therefore, free from opinions, free from interpretations, free from layer. Right. It takes care of it. I don't have to figure it out or use these interpretations, concepts as long as it's just open and No. The thing is this, in freedom in freedom, there are no rules. You understand? Because if we look like a rule, only this, not that. No. No. It's it's just it doesn't matter what it is happening as long as you know that your conscious It takes care of the the illusion that there's a them or a problem or it all just kinda dissolves in love is my experience. It's Yes. Because you see, in these events, as you will notice, each time we release, we get we notice that we get freer and lighter. Things are not any longer as intense as they used to be. So as they we get freer and lighter, we we realize much more and more the self that we are. We start to realize the self. And as we start to realize the self, then we'll start to treat others as yourself. Yeah. Yeah. You see? Yeah. It's very diff because it's very it's it's a very different experience. Yeah. Yeah. Seeing the other as yourself. And that is the the misunderstanding, the cell how is that have nothing to do with is when you are in that moment, no ignoring what is actually here. In this case, that which we are calling the self, that which is conscious. The only reality there is you. When you see, you know, when you start to see the bodies as an expression and creative expression of yourself. You see, when you're seeing everything as yourself, it's very different experiencing as if you are treating it from separation. Yes. And you're treating it you're treating from separation when you are treating them from the mind. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. That's what they call self love, but it it really gets misinterpreted because of psychology. And it's just it's just not it's not two. It's just one self love. What you what you are is free from psychology. You see? Yeah. So self love is is is just just love, period, straight. It's it's embracing. It's it's a demonstration of where you are, like, right here, right now. How lovingly you are that this event, this so called phenomena that is happening, is naturally being welcome. You see? Yeah. Effortlessly, seamless. Yeah. Totally not personal. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. No. Good. You see it's just see that as as we get freer. And freer, we are realizing more and more, you see, really realizing the self that we are, the love that we are, whatever that is that is so undemanding because you is what you are. That that's important. Yeah. When you said demanding, I noticed like, oh, I was getting into that.

It was it, you know, there was a certain feeling in the communication, and I just had to let let that go. Yeah. And the thing is no. Is and and when we said the letting go, the letting go is is really noticing that it's a conscious choice to be what you are more than whatever is arising. You see? So that the let go happens naturally. You see? That is the true letting go. The true letting go is not, oh, I want to let go of that. No. That's Right. The true letting go is like a you are what you are and you stop holding on. You see, you are we we stop grabbing. Yes. Yes. You see, we stop you we just it's like a go. Let me you take a step back. It does. It happens naturally. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much, Laura. Love you. Yes. Welcome. Yes. Simply allow that which is unbreakable, undivided, ever here, that which is at the beginning and end of a body story, at the beginning of the end of an activity, Actually, that allows for the idea of end and beginnings. Because what we are, whatever that is, if you try to find the beginning of it, it's beginningless. And is you trying to find the end of it? It's endless, eternal. So just now simply allow yourself to consciously be. And allow the whatever you're experiencing as a body to naturally be absorbed by the background, To be embraced by the open background of where you are, By giving you a hug from behind and pulling you towards the depths of what you are. Perhaps all the sensation that you might be experiencing as a body to collapse into pieces, into the openness of where you are. If that is difficult for you to embrace, to experience, Notice the sense of freedom, of wanting to make what you imagine to be a sensation, a thought, a feeling, an image. I wanted to make it physical, solid, objective. Allow yourself to really see that is up to you only only only. There is nothing else. It's only you. One single being. Let go at least for this moment, wanting to understand it, wanting to figure it out. Wanting to figure it out is imagining that you are a drop of water, and that drop of water wants to figure it out what the ocean is about. So it's up to you. Do you rather keep playing the idea of being a drop of water? Or do you rather be what you are? That demon on which what we call ocean appears is up to you. From moment to moment is only up to you. And the beauty of this truth is that it doesn't matter what you do or don't do as long as you are conscious of it. As long as it is a conscious decision, I'm going to be the best impersonator of a person ever. The ultimate version. You see? And I play as many roles as I like Because as long as you're conscious, you're happy. And that is what we really truly truly venerate about what we are, happiness. Some of us are very exotic. He looks for happiness in a very specialized ways. You see that's what freedom is all about. So, again, notice the background. Yes. Allow yourself to simply open your attention. Stop practicing, at least for this moment, the exercise of focusing. And simply notice that as you open your attention, the openness is already here. In all directions. And from that openness, since it is very welcoming, naturally welcoming, that is naturally embracing, naturally loving from moment to moment, See if there is any anything, any sensation, any sound, any feeling, any memory, any thought about before or about later that is demanding awareness. If so, notice it. And could you let it be what actually is? A wave of awareness. Waves of awareness and awareness itself. So for some of us, it's natural that you may feel an agitation in the area of the chest or that you have become aware of a tightness. First of all, you're experiencing a tightness. It's because without realizing, you're focusing into it and you're wanting it to change it, and that is unconscious. But here, just notice it. And again, just open your attention and leave it alone. See about what it actually is, a wave of awareness. In the openness of awareness itself. Yes. Again, is the mind is giving you a thought that feels like spending from before or from early this morning or from last night. Yes.

Notice it, and then notice the choice to go swimming with that wave of awareness or to simply dress as the sea itself. Natural openness that you are. Hi, Gaterlyn. Hi, Allura. Recently, I found myself not conscious, not for the first time, but not conscious of my overidentification, and it took, with a part a part. So I was really in the mental phase and and, really became over identified that I I listen now to, like, the simplicity of of feeling the release that when my friend suggested this could be happening, I did I'll tell this. I did feel, I did feel the release and that emptiness. But when I was in the funk on my own with it for the previous two weeks, how to come get that release or even that consciousness of that overidentification? It just seemed like at that point, if I hadn't have reached out to call her, which must be consciousness calling her, to to release me. So what what I may be asking is that, it's easy for me to understand when I'm not in the funk. But when I'm in it and I'm immersed in the mental madness, how to break that cycle? How to I mean, I know it's a choice. I know it's a a release needs to happen. No. You don't know. Otherwise, you wouldn't be asking this question. You don't know. Thank you. You don't. I have no freaking idea. Exactly. You think that you know. I absolutely do. Yep. Thank you. Yes. And that's one of the thoughts. It's been going. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. You see? Yes. The knower. The knower is very busy. The knower is is is an exercise that is maintained by the whole thinking. See, that's why when you when you hear someone like Robert Adams. Mhmm. You know? Like, I remember we were just I was just saying something. He just said, just let go of nowhere. That was just simplicity itself. It's just the nowhere. You see? But in the sense of this idea of being a noise, they sound looks very complex. It sounds very complex. It sounds like a quantum. You need a scientist to figure it out. It's because appears in what you are defines simplicity. And just open to this sense, Caroline. Like, say, oh, notice that your only freedom and you can really hear this. Your only freedom is to look away from what you are. That's the only freedom. And the thing is that if you said, okay. Right now, I'm going to look away from what I am. It doesn't matter if you're doing it consciously. You see, that's the beauty because you are so so much freedom. It's not about doing or not doing. It's about where are you where is the action coming from? Is it conscious action or an unconscious action? Because what we really happiness is being conscious. When we're conscious, we feel how life is vibrating, how it's accelerating, how the colors of nature are vibrant. All of a sudden, you have a child coming. Hi. You're this it's it's it's lovely. It's natural. It's the density of what is not real. Right. The density is. Yes. Because and if the density is because you have taken so much thinking to objectify that which is not real. That's right. The thinking is repetitive because they're continuously it's a mechanism. Continuously, very beautifully designed. You decided yourself. The mind is a magnificent tool. You designed it all. So we created this video game that in order to give reality to what that which is not real, it will come up and will give them effortlessly attention, and then it will be become real again. Because that's what we did. We give reality by effortless attention. We don't need to focus. Focus is not all reality, I guess. Or quantum reality, giving them quantum reality when you focus. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

That's the overidentifying when you really focus, and it's already happening if it's own accord anyway because it's a No. The thing is this, Caroline. Right now, wouldn't you agree that you're speaking about a memory? Mhmm. So you're speaking about something that is not here. And can you see that perhaps you're planning to be so again? You've lost me. The memory just be so again. So yes. Before you were speaking about a situation, you get loose, so all of that was it's a memory. Yes. And within it, a million memories. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. So are you are you planning to have it again? That's right. You're true. Because the reason we want to figure it out and we're in these meetings and so on is because what is the what is the the the real action coming from? Wanting to fix it? Absolutely. So I can Wanting to improve it so next time around when it happens, oh, it's not so bad. I got it all figured out. Absolutely. Help me. Yes. I I want the tools to be out of that. But the thing is that when you figure it out, that one, oh, there it comes. Let's figure it out about something else. And that is the loop of ignorance. You see? Gotcha. K. Chasing your tail. Chasing my tail. You see, it was like that. Therefore, I would like it to be better, nicer, bigger, more, less. Important. Less important. Especially, less special. You see, we are only into improving that which is not real. Madness, isn't it? Complete madness. Meanwhile, what is natural is to have everything by the merely effortless thought. Oh, that would be nice. And here, I'm sure all of us here present in this meeting have experienced that one way or the other. All of us. Absolutely. All of us. Because that's what is natural. So and the reason that we have desires that we would like to experience, said, oh, I would like that. That should be enough. But the reason that it's not so is because we have the subconscious thought. It's not so fast. Hey. You got some karma here to pay. Not so easy. We call it karma because, you know, we needed to invent a a label to make it spiritual. You see? See, we needed to justify that that kind of thinking. Yes. Thank you. You're welcome. In the contrary. You see? Because that's the beauty about the truth is at this moment. It's only at this moment. And the beauty of this moment is that it's eternal. Don't believe me. Just check it out. See? And and that is where all the the unlimited being, the unlimited love, the unlimited happiness is. It is all there. It is what you are. That's right. When the mind goes quiet, experience what we are already. Can you open to the possibility that what you are truly looking for out there, among things, people, Fulfillment. Completely. Love. Happiness, peace. Only for this minute could you allow yourself to be what you are, the fountain of peace, and allow tranquility, calmness to permeate all of your experiencing And just be and be and be. Take a pause and just sense the sense of relaxation. And as you do, notice what it feels being conscious, of being conscious. And consciously allow yourself to relax even more. It's good to have a desire, whether it's a desire to to get rid of a body issue or financial issue or social issue. Whatever issue is good to have a desire because the desire inspire us to let go. Inspire because if we don't have a desire, we don't let go. We're we're in a kind of a because the the the tendency of of of identifying what we're not is somehow when we want for things to stay the way they are because they are perfect. It's good to have a desire. That's what I would like to say. It's good to have a desire. Until it's not any longer but the desire for your true true nature

and that you feel the longing for that beautiful truth. So then that you can release that loss. Hey, Laura. Yes? It's Carol. Hi. Hi. You for this as always. Would you please say more about when you just said if we don't have the desire, we don't let go? Yes. Somehow, we need to have a very strong desire. It doesn't matter which desire, whether it's a spiritual desire or non spiritual desire. At the end, it's it's only desire, because invite us to and and desire is the reason that it's very important to have a desire is because when we have a very strong desire, it's inviting us to not make the world real. Because the tendency is to see the world of as real and to have the concept, well, that's how the world is. Well, that's how things are. You see? And that is not true. Out there is only a reflection of your content that you hold in mind. That's right. That's what it comes to expression. Everything is possible. Yes. Everything is possible when you are not any longer holding within you what makes it impossible. So when we when we have a very strong desire, we let go of wanting to make the world real. Real. Like, for instance, anything that you may do with it, well, but in order to do that, I would need to do this first, or, you know, that kind of all of a sudden, they are, like, rules to be done, things that need to be done. All of that is going along with that the world is real. Did I make myself clear? I'm not catching it. I I also know from our interactions to not delve too deeply into it with my intellect. I'm not feeling the resonance of that sentence. I I don't need to. I just, appreciate you attempting to No. But yes. It I I and I know that took a little bit to sink in as well when when Lester said let go wanting to make the world real. Like, that part, I I think, like, resonates, but I think the sentence, if we don't have a desire, we don't let go. I think I shouldn't say I think to you, Laura. I know I shouldn't say that. No. No. Say, there are no rules. There are no rules for you to listen to yourself when you speak. Yeah. I I hear that. I would switch the sentence and say we if we don't have a desire, we don't let go. I would say we let go when we do not have a desire. The opposite almost. The only thing you are letting go is desire. So if there is no desire, there's nothing to let go of. Right. Yeah. So so this the thing, you know, is we all open to the truth according to our interest, you see, to let go the idea of wanting to be a body, the safety of the body. So it's for you to know. It's for you to know how much you are interested in being the totality of what you are, which is that what you are have never been separate, that what you are is unlimited infinite consciousness. Yes. Thank you. Before I ask a question, thank you. As always, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for creating the space for us and me. So to piggyback off what's that? I'm just kidding. The me, our favorite object. My yes. My favorite object would be me. You're you're kinda my second favorite object, though. So I I I you know, I like to bounce my ideas off of you. I don't I understand the concept that for me to ask who am I is an indication or implication that I'm separate from you. I have had people ask me that question. How would you answer that question? If they say, Laura, who are you? What do you say? Depends where the question come from. If the policeman is asking me that question, I show my driver license. Yes. Immediately as fast as I can. But, again, that will be intelligent, you see, in action. Right? Yes. It's not thinking like, what should I do? Let me see. You see? You see that question, what am I, is a is a tool. It's an excellent tool that will do its work until it's not any longer useful. And what invites you is, what am I? Am I a thought or am I that which is aware of the thought? But if you're not separated from I am, and I'm not arguing that, who are we? Are we energy?

What do you have word I I know you add words. It adds complication, but do you add words to that? I don't know the, what resonates true for me there. Yes. I agree. Whatever it is is perfect. It's an it's not dependent upon words to just be, which, by the way, we don't know what we are. That is the intriguing mystery of what we are. All we know are their characteristics. We know that they have the ability of being aware, and people have the ability of being aware is a word of experiencing. That's that's all we know. And when we let it be, we enjoy there is joy, there is goodness, there is wellness. You see, there is, perfection. There's sweetness, there's peace, and other things that we may call violent or nonviolent. You see? So we don't know. What I what I can say from my experience is that it's the most used to say because it used to when I first heard it, my mind went like, how does that work? When he used to say that what we are is the most intimate of the all intimacy that is as the most intimate experiencing of just being what we are. It's very intimate. And that is an intimacy that we allow it to sense it when we're interested in it, when we're interested in the source of all things. Well, we're interested in not any longer fascinated by thinking. And what is extraordinary is that that intimacy is infinite. And, actually, let me share a story that I heard yesterday. This friend she was talking about, that in Russia, it needs to be a lot of awakening. A lot of people in the Internet, unfortunately, only speaking in Russian, so we cannot, you know some of us cannot share their their bubbling, arising of freedom that is happening there, but that this being was in a very difficult circumstances. It seems that he owe so much money that they were he was being they were looking for him to kill him, so to speak. I mean, there was no way out. So what he did is that he locked himself in a bathroom, no lights, and he says, I'm not going to get out of here until until, you know, who knows? Until he felt safe, I guess. And that is no different as Alesia used to say, when you sit and you are not willing not to get up until you get the answer, it will not happen so to speak, not to all of us, for some of us. So it seemed that this gentleman, this being said that he will open his eyes and now will see with darkness. He will close his eyes always in his darkness until he didn't see darkness any longer. Seems like that. But it was you see such a decision of life and death because it seems like in less than case, life and death in order to look into the right direction. But what is so beautiful and that we are so blessed is that here as a group, we're not putting ourselves in such extreme circumstances Because we're opening to approach it out of love, out of benevolence. Allow ourselves to feel seduced by the sweetness of peace, by the warmth of love, by the beauty of what is. I I don't know about everyone else, but you know a little about me. It wasn't the seduction of beauty that brought me to my seeking to find out who I am. It was discomfort and not wanting to be in discomfort any longer. Not my life is threatened and not that I'm sitting in the bathroom with the lights off, but not wanting to remain as I was living. Yes. You see, we're all different. You know, discomfort is unpleasantness. Yes. So yeah. So that that may that's good invite you to the decisions that enough of this discomfort. Yeah. You see, some of us, we need to be whatever works. You see? Because we created our mess, so only we cannot do it. Yes. And somehow we know the passwords. That's why when we hear certain words, oh, it resonates and unlocks and it releases by itself. Yeah. Because the moment you have made the decision that you I won't allow it to be easy, it will be so. Agreed. Thank you. Thank you, Carol. Emotions being irrational, they generate from the sense of lack, from lack of love, wanting to fulfill that love. It could also be said that emotions are energy emotion. So how can we liberate ourselves from being controlled by emotions, by emotional charge, by simply noticing them and let them be what they actually are. Only energy. Introduction to the series The Eternal Verities by Lester Levinson. The eternal verities are truth that are true now, have always been true, and will forever be true. A unique characteristic of this truth is that it must be seen by each one through his own perception. No one in no book can do it for him or for her. Teachers and books, scriptures can only point out the direction, the way. It is up to the individual to take it. The sense of separation is very tricky. It often took us out of this path for shorter or

longer periods of time. But once we have gotten onto the path, we usually come back to it. Nevertheless, be careful of the trickery of the sense of separation part of us. It take us away from the path. So no matter how far we have advanced on the path, the sense of separation is always a tempting companion who can take us off the path, sometimes even for an entire lifetime. Eternal Verities by Lester Levinson. The whole intention on the path is to let go of the sense of separation, the idea of separation. What remains is yourself. Eternal Verities by Lester Levenson. Everything you're seeking, you are. And you very foolishly keep saying you're not. That's part of the enigma. Everything, everyone is seeking with such intensity. One is already eternal verities by Lester Levenson. There's no happiness except that of experiencing yourself. When you see that, it makes the path very direct. You stop chasing the rainbow, and you go for the happiness where you know it is right within you. Love is an attitude, a feeling, and requires no action, no effort. Love is a feeling of givingness with no thought of receiving any return for it. Only by loving does love come to us. The more we love, the more love comes to us. Love is a giving with no strings attached. Love is the natural, inherent state of our true nature. Eternal Verities by Lester Levenson. We don't have to react to unpleasant words. Words are sounds with but tiny bits of energy impinging in our eardrums. Allow this infinitesimal energy affect you not. No one's word can affect you unless we accept that it can. Eternal Veritas by Lester Levenson. We're hearing now fully realized beings telling ourselves that we are not when saying, I need this. I need that. I am limited by this. I am limited by that. When all we need to do is to stop feeling that we are limited and start being the unlimited beingness that we already are. Eternal Verities by Lester Levenson. The self is our very own beingness. Nothing is more intimate than the self. The self is infinite, whole, complete, immutable, one, perfect, indivisible, timeless, eternal, changeless. The only reality, God. Eternal Verities by Justin Levinson. Happiness is our inherent natural state. The best definition for happiness is peace, serenity, tranquility as it is the absence of emotions. It's freedom, absence of limitations. As the less limited we are, the freer we are, the happier we are. Only for this moment and only the best you can. Could you simply stop from practicing being small through constant thoughts of limitation and open to the possibility. But if we were not practicing being a small, a limited person, you will see the truth, the truth of what you really are, Unlimited. Yes. Just for a moment. Just bring your attention as and at the same time keeping it open to the that area that we call the heart. Allow this area to awaken. To awaken to the love that you're that already is there. Somehow in this area, we are capable to sense what we call human love, but also the sense of true love. That's all. You don't need to make it happen. Just simply open to sense the love that already is here. For some of us, we may sense that the heart is beating faster. And if so, just don't try to do anything with it or about it. Simply notice the surrounding, for the lack of a better word, emptiness or space. So, yes, the best you can, allow yourself to be open and awaken to this area of the body Because it's an area where we experienced these sensations like being hurt or loved, or unloved. It's when we usually suppress. So, where we practice all those tendencies, the tendencies of suppressing, the tendency of expressing, So now since that you are more aware of this area, simply remember again to open your attention. And you will see how naturally and effortlessly this area will be more open to be absorbed by that in which appears. Thy energy will just be discharged naturally. Nothing needs to be done at all. All you need, all that is to be is to be where you are already. This unconditional yes. Unconditional welcoming that you are. So loving that says, yes to loving in unlovingness or pleasant in unpleasantness. So, well, we're going to be doing our conscious investigation into by looking directly into our inner experiencing. Again, simply just open to the possibility How the being that you are is natural, naturally unconditional, naturally welcoming.

The background of all things. Like for instance, the background of perceiving. So, in this moment simply notice whatever is being perceived. Whatever images, sensations, sounds, like this outer voice, or including the inner voices that you might be hearing. Could you also consciously welcome perceiving itself? And simply notice how perceiving requires no effort. It's simply happening. And could you notice how this unconditional being that you are, which is effortlessly perceiving, is surrounding, permeating, interpenetrating whatever you might be perceiving at this moment. Remember, there is no goal. We're just simply being with whatever is arising on it. And could you also notice that what we call thinking? This doesn't mean for you to effort to think, but to simply notice the presence and the absence of thinking. And again, simply notice how thinking is also spontaneous. No effort is required. And again, simply notice this welcome beingness, which is the background, or the emptiness, which allows for all perceiving, all thinking. Actually, all experiencing. And notice as well how experiencing is just happening. So yes. So we're going to look directly into that what we call thinking, into that exercise that we are such a good sports with. So see or notice what is about thinking that you find enticing, Attractive. Interesting. And could you check and see where is that flow of attention generating from? If it's generating from the sensation that we call lack or incompleteness, In other words, if it's originating from the sense of wanting to be, wanting to enjoy recognition, appreciation, attention, or rejection, we are very exotic. We like all different taste. We have all different tastes. Or simply the sense because you're wanting to be separate, or even wanting to be one, the oneness. So simply notice what is that you resonate, you're resonating the most with at this moment. And whatever that might be, just simply notice it. Whatever that and what you might be sensing or are appearing is sensations. Some of them might be charged, so we feel, yeah, the sensation, you feel your images may be arriving so you may feel charged, so you feel sensations. And, just for this moment can you simply look through it, and notice what is actually here. And notice that when you do that, whatever is there naturally and effortlessly dissipates, evaporates into this ever welcoming beingness. This beingness that welcomes thinking, yet doesn't need to think to be. Yes. Simply remember that you don't need to focus in any point in the chest area, keep your attention open. If you do, it will discharge by itself whatever is being sensed. And now, can you allow yourself to notice what you find interesting about now? And check and see where this flow of attention is motivated from. If it's motivating from the sense of uncompleteness or the sense of something missing, or the sense of even wanting to be separate or wanting to be one. And whatever might be that you are right now resonating the most at this moment, including if you feel any sense of wanting to be in a certain way, wish it was in a certain way, notice that as well. So again, whatever you're most in touch with at this moment, just recognize it, look through it, and notice what is actually here. This beingness that is already thought free. By the way, some of you may have may recognize this investigation that we're now doing. So, notice the reaction to that. If it's any sound that says, oh, I have done this, I don't have need to do that anymore. If it is so, I will invite you to welcome that sound. Just for this moment. And whatever sensation is arising. And let it be what truly is, only energy. When we see it, when we see through it. So let's do it just maybe once or twice more. Can you notice what is that you find fascinating, attractive, about thought, or about the past. And notice where, check and see where this attention or flow of energy is coming from, where it originated from. And see if it is arising from the sense of wanting something. Wanting to accomplish something. Wanting to feel complete. Wanting to feel rewarded, wanting to feel recognized. Or also wanting to feel separate, or being one. And simply notice whatever this is inviting into the welcome beingness that you are. And for those who are new to this, simply notice that what arises are always images, inner voices or sounds, or sensations, reactions, emotions. So, whatever that might be that is arising on you, Just simply look through it. Just for this moment and only the best you can. Notice what is actually here. That whatever that might be that we call beingness, that we experience as beingness,

that welcomes all thinking, yet, it's not dependent upon thinking to be. Whatever you're experiencing, notice how it's effortlessly absorbed by that in and on which arises. And if you find yourself that you want to help, that thought is also spontaneous. So notice it as well for what it is, only a sound, only an image, only a sensation. If you find yourself focusing into anything, simply notice it and go back to the open attention. The openness that you are. And then, let's see what you find interesting about now. What do you find enticing about now? Or not enticing? Or not interesting? Just notice whatever arises. And, again, just simply notice where is that being generated from. Is it being generated from wanting to accomplish, wanting to understand it, wanting to figure it out, Or wanting to feel the one? Or feel separate? Whatever that might be. Simply notice whatever you're resonating with at this moment. Whether it's wanting to figure it out, or wanting to understand it. And again, just simply let it be what truly is, only air. So, yes, rest as this beingness now which welcomes thinking, yet is not affected or untouched by thinking. And just lastly, see if you can feel the sense of attraction or attachment to the exercise of thinking Or aversion. And simply notice whatever reaction is arising on you. And just for this moment, and only the best you can, could you let it be what truly is? Only energy. Naturally, effortlessly, and travelling. So, would you just simply rest? That which welcomes thinking. Yet doesn't need thinking to be. And notice, lastly, you're trying to hold on to whatever you might be experiencing at this moment. And if you do, simply notice it for what it is, an effort. And could you let be the air for what is? Only energy. Remember, what you are is maintenance free. Right at this moment, at some level, where the eye is. And how will the one experience that? Simply notice, are you aware of the I? The word eye. Yes. That word eye is the beingness part of you. This is only the beingness part. So simply experience this I. Even if it's necessary to voice internally without leaving using your lips or your muscles, The sound I yes. Maybe once or twice. And just as the only beingness part. Now, when you experience I am, that's it. That part of you is infinite. You are experiencing it ever. There is not an instant that you are not experiencing it. So how come is not fully and completely as it is? The experiencing of I am. I am an infinite being. We see because we filter it. We cover it with the thought, I am a body. What is actually experiencing or happening as you say that? Was you. Hold on to that. You're saying, I, the infinite being, am a body. Or I, the infinite being, am this body. Through the whole activities, each time you say I, you are invoking. Starting from the beingness that you are. Every time you say, I am something, You're seeing I, the infinite being, is sing. And that's the freedom, then infinite freedom of being infinite. And is that it allows you to assume limitations as much as you want. And this is the reason that we do such a good job at limiting ourselves. So notice that you are from moment to moment, starting from the only beginning there is, actually the endless beginning that you are. I the infinite being, a limited something. That is the formula that we use to generate, to assume and generate imagined limitations. But because you are what you are, infinite. At least for a second, right here, right now, allow to be no thing. It is actually very easy to just play. And it would be it would be very easy. It can be easy. If we wouldn't have the conviction that it is difficult. Each time we really open even for a second to the eye, we do experience it. So just notice the dynamics of thinking that brings you back into the thought. I, the infinite being, am a body again. Just notice the dynamics. Be where you are. That which is beyond the dynamics. That which is allowing for the dynamics of thinking. To naturally dissipate. As right here, right now, nothing needs to happen. Already is what it is.

No transition is necessary. The transition is simply the collapsing of thinking. Yes, remember the openness ever here for you. I is the beingness part. Am is an infinite part of you. I am Experience in that completeness of where you are. Infinite, unlimited. Yes. Welcome. Allow this welcoming to extend to where you are, welcoming itself. That which in this moment is naturally and effortlessly welcoming whatever you're hearing at this moment, whatever you're seeing at this moment, whatever you're sensing at this moment. Whether it's the sense of the body, the sense of the temperature of the room, or the sense of sensations in your chest area, whether it's the heart beating, or tension or contraction. Simply notice how all of that is simultaneously and effortlessly welcome. And it's so free that which is welcoming that you don't need to focus your attention in any of that in order to naturally being welcome. Now, that which is welcoming, that which is aware is naturally alive. It's the contrary to that which we know as numbness. Numbness is just one more sensation. So in this moment, to experience this welcoming that you are, simply notice if you're focusing your attention in anything. Simply notice that. If your sense of attention is focused into anything, Into any location. It can be the location of the area where the realm of thinking appears. Of the location of the area where the realm of feelings appears. Or anything else that you might be sensing in the body, a physical sensation or discomfort? To simply notice. You're focusing into something like that. And just for this moment allow the attention to relax. In other words, to open. To stop the exercising of focusing for a little bit, at least for this while we're doing this investigation into what you are. Simply let the attention to relax. To stop efforting into focusing into anything. Liberate the attention from any focusing, any efforting. Just for this moment. And allow this attention to be all including. Open in all directions. When we are willing to just allow the attention to be free, liberating from focusing, we are open to see that we already that whatever it is that we are, or you already are. That there is no such a thing as becoming what you are. You cannot become what you already are. And this becomes obvious, the moment that you stop focusing into what you imagine you are. So simply, allow this open attention. To really sense what it is experiencing having an open attention. No focusing into what you imagine you are. A thought, a feeling, a body sensation. For a change, really allow yourself to be what you are. And you're doing so when you simply allow the attention to be open. And notice how this attention is naturally aware. Naturally alert. Naturally alive. So each time you're practicing focusing, you're practicing to be what you are not. So Allow the attention, the awareness to be what is, naturally open, naturally unlimited. Naturally welcoming for everything that arises at every moment. You see, you didn't need to be focused to listen to whatever arose. You don't need to be focused in order to listen whatever the surrounding sounds of the room. You simply check, see whether your attention is not when he hears a sound, whether it's the tendency to focus into it. No, simply allow it to be open. And allow it to listen free from memory. Just as sounds. Because one of the ways that we focus is that when we hear a sound, immediately we want to say, oh, that sounds is immediately the memory comes in, is a movement of the body, is the is the, we're trying to explain what the sound is originated from. And what we're doing there is focusing. So, allow yourself to listen to sounds from that attention that is already memory free. That you don't need to focus into a memory to explain whatever sound is happening. Because as long as you're doing that, what you're doing is validating that which is not. Objects. So, again, while staying the best we can as this open attention that you already are. Notice that you don't have to become this attention. The attention already is all that is to be. Unlimitedly open in all directions. And if that is not your experience, trying to see whether you can sense a limit or a frontier in any direction. Whether in the top, all the area in the top of what you call the head or in the area that you call

the back of the body, or the front of the body, sea. This spaciousness attention has a limit in any direction. Yes, simply, even if you feel that, you know, you feel again coming into the sense of the mind. The realm of the mind. Just notice it. Now, while staying at this openness the best you can, allow yourself to remember an activity. It could be a daily activity that somehow you feel that you lose the sense of this open attention, that you lose the sense that you are. That you feel that you become very focused, very limited, that you seem to forget what you are. Think of any activity or moment of the day that you feel that that seems to happen? Even things like what, well doing your hygiene or talking in the phone with someone or whatever activity. And when now that you have found an activity, you may have a list of activities, but pick only one. Or list of moments that you feel that you that you feel disconnected for what you are. That lie that you are such a thing as disconnected. So, welcome that activity or situation. Welcome the images of it. Welcome the sounds that may have, even your inner sounds. Welcome whatever emotions may evoke. And whatever you might be sensing at this moment about it, any like or dislike about it? Any pulling towards you or refusal? Any sense of wishing it was different? Yes. So now that all of that is being naturally noticed, naturally welcomed, remember to stay at this open attention. And just for this moment, stop wanting to own that. Wanting to hold on to that. Wanting to use it to identify with. In another words, wanting to do something with it or about it. So simply open and allow whatever that is in its own. Allow yourself the freedom not to own anything, not to own it. Just for this moment. What you might be sensing is that you have in the chest area like a movement of energy. And this movement of energy is simply Liberation of the energy that you used to use to maintain that. We also feel this movement of energy in our chest, on our body, when we consciously decide to open our attention. Because that means that all the energy that we will be using and focusing, exercising to be what we are not, or being interested in what we are not is not any longer being used for that. So that energy naturally dissolves, gets spent. Because it needs energy, it needs effort to maintain that which is not real, the limitations. For instance, the limitation that during the day there are activities that pull you away from what you are. That is a limitation. Thinking that there is such a thing is a limitation. So welcome that, that limitation. There is a thought that says, if when I do certain things I seem to feel, to lose what I am. So, welcome that limitation. Notice it. And this that which is arising in this unlimited openness, in this unlimited attention. And of course, when you see that there is so limiting, you naturally lose lose any interest in it. And that that is the freedom. The freedom is you already are unlimited. And when you are this open attention, you will recognize the limitations arising and they are so limiting that you immediately, of course, let them collapse like a, as they say, as a hot potato. And that it becomes easy the moment that you truly have made the decision. That you want peace, that you want freedom more above anything else. That's what makes it easy. When you made the intention or the decision that what you really desire or want from moment to moment is peace, love above anything else. So, just one last, one last investigation. In this openness, allow yourself to remember. A person. That somehow, when you get involved with this person, it's difficult to maintain the truth of what you are. It seems to be difficult to maintain the truth of what you are. Simply welcome that situation and see how that what arises are images, sounds, reactions to it as feelings, sensations. Welcome any themes of wanting to in any way direct them, help them, control them, or also feeling in any way controlled by them, controlled by their feelings. Controlled by their emotions. See within you any sense of wanting to be nice, wanting to do the right thing, welcome that as well. Or any sense of judgment towards that person or towards yourself. Any decision that you may have made about that person. Like for instance, well, that's the way they are. Something like that. With nothing to do, I did my best, whatever that might be. So, again, now that all of that has effortlessly been welcomed in the openness, in the graciousness of what you are that says yes to everything. Simply see it for what it is, a limitation. And allow yourself to rest as this unleaping, unlimited attention.

Which welcomes, but doesn't need limitations to be. And remember, the reason that you want to be what you are, what you already are, unlimited. And it's easy to let go of everything that is limited. It's because you have the intense the intensity, the decision, that what you want is peace above everything else. Yes. Welcome. Just notice when you consciously allow yourself to just relax, to simply relax. Relaxation is like letting that which is be. So just for this moment, could you just simply let it be and be free of agenda, just as it is, free of agenda, free of expectations, free of preconceived ideas. Available, not going anywhere, but simply here. And that is the beauty of what we are. Beauty is that we already are all that is is to be. So the beauty is that we don't have to find it. We just only need to stop looking away from it. So a valid question will be, alright, so how do I stop looking away from it? While the first step is right here, always where you are. By simply allowing yourself to be quiet, anytime you remember, at least only, but purely a second. So here, perhaps right now, you're having a very long second. So it's okay. You don't need to overdose. Just do your best. So simply notice how when you consciously let yourself be and be, Notice how this being is naturally aware, alive. Can be simultaneously aware of sounds as well as the silence. For years, simply notice whatever sounds you might be sensing, whether it's in the inner or outer body experience, whatever you call the physical body, because you can simultaneously sense the outer noises that supposedly is happening outside the body. As well as the inner noises like the body makes, as well as the voices or sounds that you hear in your head. Here, we are not in the business of stopping anything. In the contrary, we're delighted to see how it happens. And you do that the moment that you are open to stay as that which is aware of both the sounds as well as the silence. This silence that is open, spacious, and demanding. Yes. Noted how the silence permeates. Any sound is at the beginning, during, and after the sound. And just for now, could you allow yourself whatever sounds might be arising on you to listen to them free of memory? Yes. When you open to listen to the sounds free of memory, You're allowing them to be fresh, new. So while resting as that which is naturally aware, that is open, and limited and assuming, all inviting, unconditionally accepting of everything that are no accepting. Unconditionally aware. Notice whatever you might be seeing at this moment. Maybe images from an early past or a very long past, maybe as early as five, ten minutes ago. Or if you have your eyes open, whatever image you're seeing or even the images behind your eyelids or no image? And could you remember to notice the openness, the space without which no seeing could happen. That which is primarily here in order for the image to be seen, whether it's an image of your imagination or an image that is given through the physical eye. Yes. Notice that. Notice that that which sees. As well that which hears is free in the sense that in order to hear, for instance, you can hear either through the physical ear or you can hear the inner voices in your mind directly. Same thing with that which sees. That which sees can see either with the eyes open or with the eyes closed. Is free, independent of any object that is independent of physical eyes, independent of physical ears. So when allowing to stay as this undivided, open silence? Could you allow it to include what you're experiencing as the body? And again, just for this moment and only the best you can, could you allow to perceive the body free from memory? Free from any previous preconceived ideas of the body. Remember, just for this moment and only the best you can. Simply notice the sets of sensation that are being perceived, like for instance, the clothing against the skin, The temperature of the room against the skin. And, also, free from memory, allow yourself to sense the back of your body, to sense the contact area between that what you call the back of the body and whatever is holding it. Again, the best you can, free from memory. Simply notice the sensation of contact. And notice the spaciousness that is surrounding it, allowing for it, which is being naturally aware of it. Yet oblivious to it. Yes. So, again, without focusing into anything, simply allowing the attention to be open, free from any object, from any focus. Notice the sensation that you call the beating of the heart. And also the other sensation, the breathing. And just simply do a pair of conscious breathing.

Allow it to be lengthy and soft. And as you do, open yourself to sense the plentifulness, the givingness that goes back and forth. Now allow yourself to sense the totality of your experiencing and consciously allow to sense this openness, the transparent essence of your openness to permeate, surround, and interpenetrate what if through all you're experiencing at this moment. And go even deeper if you can and ask yourself, what am I? Am I this experiencing? Or my dad, whatever that is, which is naturally aware of it. And could you simply notice how all of this is just happening? It doesn't need any help. Yes. So without focusing and while keeping your attention open, notice that area where the beating of the heart is experienced and even lower. Some of us might be experiencing, like, a movement. Some of us feel it very lightly. Some of us feel that something gets looser, that this something is getting losing loosening loosening up. If that is the case, it's a signal that you're not looking away from where you are, from what you are. If it feels like a knot tight tighten a contraction. And because we're looking away from what we are, focusing into an object, in this case, a sensation. So simply, if that is the case, remember that you have the choice. To either stay with it, indulge in it, or to look away from it. And notice that when you do, even if you do it for a second, something gets loosen, something get relaxes, something gets lighter. See in this area what we experience is what's is very little talked about, which is the I feeling. And the I feeling is the sense of feeling separate. Is is is where the lie is is maintained is where the lie is maintained alive. The lie that what we are is not pure happiness, but that we are separate from happiness. And when we think that we're separate from happiness, we look away from this happiness by wanting to squeeze happiness from a person, from a place, or from a thing. So in this moment, just just in this moment, only for rises, you don't have to manufacture, but see if you can remember of a place, a person, an activity, or a thing that you usually look up to to squeeze happiness from it, to expect happiness from it. In other words, begging happiness from it. And simply notice whatever this invites into your experiencing. And notice that whatever is arising in your experiencing, in this open inviting awareness that you are is either images, sounds, or sensations, sensation of liking or disliking, sensations of things to be different. So notice how whatever arises is a memory. A memory notice what it feels. Not the first of all how memories are made out of images, sounds, sensations, feelings. So notice what it feels, how it how it looks looking at a memory. And as you do, just for this moment, welcome the sense of wanting to make this memory personal, of wanting to use it to identify with, or anything about it that you would like it to be different. Welcome whatever this invites into your experiencing. Or wanting perhaps to defend it or justify it, whatever that is. And just for this moment, now open your attention and notice that you have the choice to stay focused on that or to be open, be in the open space that you are. And when you choose to be where you are, to rest as that which is effortlessly aware, yet untouched and affected. You will experience some movement of energy. And again, this energy that is naturally dissolving, naturally unraveling, It's because it is the energy that you used to use to look away from where you are. So it's grace. So, yes, each time you decide, you become aware of a a thought. Notice how a thought is only in a sound or an image. Each time you become aware of a thought that awakens within you a feeling or vice versa, Remember that you have the choice to indulge on it or to stay as the open awareness in and on which arises and collapses. So invite the same memory or any other memory that you feel that you got to look for happiness. Whether it's a place, can be, you know, what they call resort or whatever, a place, the gym, the tennis courts, whatever it is, because it's irrelevant what you do or you don't do. It's whether you go because you think happiness is there for you to get the juice from. So welcome whatever place, a person, an activity, or a thing that you've been using to squeeze happiness from it. And simply notice whatever arises, what is the same thing or anything else. And you'll notice that notice that whatever is arising is a memory. And simply see whatever awakens within you. Any sense of wanting to use it to identify with it, or wanting to use it to make it personal, whatever that might be. And, again, remember that you have the freedom to go to stay with that, to go along with that, to hold on to that, or not to hold on to that, or be the space, the openness. That which is aware of memories, yet doesn't need memories to be. So if you allow yourself to stay the best you can open and notice how while staying open, you're still very aware without the need of focusing into anything. So while resting like that the best you can, as this welcoming natural welcoming that you are,

which is naturally happy because it's complete, eternal. They were safe. Yes. Allow yourself to gradually open to more gross sensations. And at your own rhythm, notice how this awareness naturally opens the eyes and continuously stay being aware of itself while experiencing through the body. Yes. And just for fun, if you haven't opened it yet, allow whatever you're seeing, the new experiencing, could you just let it be memory free? Just the best you can. Thank you. Yes. Welcome. So before starting our conscious conversation about what we experience, Yes, about our experiencing. You're being open at this moment to be just here, to be just nothing, just open to silence. You're simply here. You will notice that you have perhaps thoughts passing by. Or you are in a deeper silence, you may feel some the sensations of the chest area. So whatever you might be sensing at this moment, Keep it simple, simply notice whatever that is that is effortlessly aware of it. So if you are feeling thoughts and sensations, you are experiencing thoughts and sensations arising on you in this open silence. The reason that it is so is because that's what you have been practicing. To be distracted by thoughts and feelings. There's nothing wrong with thoughts and feelings, actually. As long as you are not feeling control, directed, pushover, manipulated, harassed. That you're feeling pull up or pull down. So remember, whatever you might be sensing at this moment, whatever might be there, thoughts, experiences, images or sounds or sensations? Could you simply allow them to be neutral and important and significant just for this moment. Only for this moment. Could you relax any ownership about whatever you might be experiencing at this moment? Any wanting to own anything, just for this moment. Wanting to own anything whether it's unpleasant or pleasant. Could you simply notice that you have the freedom to tune in with whatever is arising? Or to stay as the openness which is silently welcoming whatever experiencing is arising. Just remember that you don't need to focus into anything on the contrary. Allow your sense of attention to relax. Therefore, allow it to be what is open. This openness to which the conscious and the subconscious arises, that is conscious thoughts, is that what you can see, feel? And the subconscious thoughts are those which is you don't see them, but they are generating feelings or anxiety or unpleasantness or agitation, in tranquility. So you are experiencing something like that, just simply or expectations, simply now consciously see them for what they are. Only energy. Actually, you have two choices. You can see them for what they are, only energy, and you can see them also what they are, limiting. When you are conscious, you can see how limiting that is. So you consciously says, let it be what is. So just for this moment, allow yourself to remember just an activity, a situation, and any way that you feel somehow that you need to put up with, that that's the way it is. That that is what is happening. That that's the way it is happening in your experiencing. You don't need to manufacture anything, but if anything arises, notice that what arises are images, commentary, comments about it or sounds, and sensations. Sensations of maybe contraction, or impatience, or displeasure, Discomfort? Frustration? And if it does, simply let it all be here and notice which is beyond all of that. That which is already free from all of that. That which is open, whole, complete. Full yet open. And you are only doing it once more. Simply notice if that is the same thing or anything else that you feel that you need to put up with it because that's how life is. That is what you call your own duty, your own mission, your own karma, your own whatever label you like to add to it. And simply notice whatever arises. Sometimes some of you, just by listening to the words, you feel a relaxation, a a a energy releasing by itself just by listening to the words. Some of us, we are seeing images and sounds and having sensations about it, of like or dislike, pleasant or unpleasant. Judgment. So if any of that is arising, the only reason that is arising is because you are somehow have made the decision to be free from it. Now is conscious and when you see it consciously, you see it for what it is, limitations. And when they naturally unravel by themselves, you can see them for what they truly are, imagined limitations. So whatever you're sensing, could you just simply allow it to be in this openness? That which is unlimited, whole, complete.

Full years open. And can you sense and notice consciously if there is any desire or any sense of wanting to feel control, push around, Manipulate it, harassed by whatever you might be sensing. If it's so, can you welcome as well the sense of wanting to be victim of feelings or thoughts? Just for this now, could you welcome any sense of victimhood? And simply when noticing it how limiting it is, now that is conscious, you just drop it. Remember that you have the choice to hold on to that or to rest as the openness, which doesn't need to hold on to anything to be what is open. So simply allow yourself to rest at this openness, which is naturally conscious. So from here without any rush simply allow yourself to look about, talk about any topic or anything that arises and that you would like somehow to clarify. And I'm suggesting and in the to allow yourself to invite, to really discover and stay as the master that you are. Welcome. And just only for this moment. Only for this moment. Allow yourself to open to the possibility that the key to everything you truly desire is found by tapping into the sense of calmness, peace. Just for this moment Or just for now, could you allow the moment to be free from any ideas, any knowing, any knowledge. And simply allow yourself to tap as much as you can into the same sense of calmness. Allow this calmness to permeate the body, The sense of mind. If there is any mental agitation, emotional agitation, or body agitation, Allow this calmness to naturally absorb it. There is no doingness in the contrary. Simply allow yourself to honor the best you can. Yes. The calmness of the ocean of your being. And, again, open to the possibility. That when you are truly calm, Time stops. And when time stops, Thinking or karma stops. Sansaras, that mean validation or purification stops. Everything you ever thought or felt becomes neutral, new, void. For when you stay calm, what is actually happening is that the one where you are. It's becomes or is The current that goes through the whole universe. You become this and touch the one with this universal current that knows how to take care of you and takes care of everything. And, again, you tap into this calmness. When you're open to the ability that what you are is naturally embracing, accepting, Everything. Yet, with any plans to hold on to anything. That is mental activity, emotional activity, personal activity. So simply allow yourself to rest Otherwise, you already are. This innate calmness that you are, which is the background for everything, is naturally welcoming this event, naturally welcoming the body, whatever you're hearing, either through your physical ears or through the inner voices that may appear in your mind. And that is sensing the body as well as whatever sensations that may seem to appear inside the body, like in the area of the chest or the gut. But simply notice that it's up to you to simply be more interested in the sense of calmness or in the opposite, the agitation. That's the only choice there is. If you are choose to be what you are, calm, That which is not agitation collapses, unravels. And each time you do that, what you're doing is surrendering to that within you that knows that has the power and knows how to take care of you fully and completely. Without any help. So for instance, like that sound that we just experienced, the only reason that we experience it is because it's appearing in what you are, the openness which invites the whole experiencing of the universe. So, again, open to the possibility that you are this unlimited openness, which is effortlessly calm while welcoming everything timelessly. Free from time. Yes. Open to the possibility that each time, you consciously choose to rest of the calmness. You are naturally surrendering to the current of oneness. Who knows everything, therefore, can take care of everything. And if in this moment, the mind, there is mental activity or mental agitation in the shape of the mind offering comments, points of views about whatever is being heard. Notice it. And notice that you can go along with that or to rest as the calmness. Remember, it's natural if some of you are sensing a discharge of energy in the chest area. Or maybe just very quiet chest area. That's natural too. But if you're sensing attention or contraction, it may be that you are without realizing it, that you are concentrating or focusing into it. So what I should recommend is to relax the sense of tension about concentrating or focusing into anything. The reason that we usually focus into anything is because it comes from the sense of unconscious effort. So if that is the case, notice the sensing agitation of it. And then see that you have the choice To take that seriously or to

give be interested on that or simply rest as what already you are. Calmness, peace, tranquility, fullness, wholeness. And the more you do, the more you are allowing what is to take perfectly care of everything about you. Yes. And just lastly, if you have again any activity, mental activity about something that may have happened in what we call the past. An hour ago, two hours ago, or a bigger past, last night, or any other longer past. If that is the case, just notice the thought and whatever reaction to it. Usually, the reaction is, I wish I would have done it different. If I can do it again, I will do it this way or that way. Usually, somehow, some because the reason that we hold on to those past events is because somehow we're wanting to fix them. Because we feel that if we fix them, then we're in control. And if we are in control, then we feel approved. And if we feel approved, then we feel safe. So just for this moment, see all of that for what it is. Only agitation. When you start from what you are, this calmness, it's that simple. It's only agitation. And then you have the clear choice to celebrate agitation or to honor calmness. So at your own rhythm, simply notice how this calmness, which is unchanging, unemotional, uninvolved, yet aware, will naturally allow for the more gross experiencing when it will open your eyes if it hasn't already opened them. And from this calmness, we can communicate and clarify or discuss whatever topic or anything else that you would like to share or clarify. Yes. I was I have a question that has puzzled me for quite a while. It's about Lester and his death. Were you around Lester in the days when he left his body? Yes. Not as close as a dear friend of mine. I may have some insights to give you if you depends on your question. Yes. Well, I've been into healing work for close to fifty years. And, As a healer as a healer yourself? Yes. Just basically working with acupressure reflexology, just all the natural treatments, essentially laying on of hands and and just teaching people that love heels, essentially, was the main thing. And so I was always curious as to why Lester chose to to, leave his body from cancer when it's so obviously and, you know, it's it's healable. It's been it's a very commonly healed disease. And Lester with his extraordinary powers of health and healing, having, you know, essentially chosen to leave his body in that way, has always been puzzling to me. And not the least reason is is that it actually cost me a lot of clients at one period in my life because I I didn't know. I never when I first heard of Lester and read about all his miraculous experiences from awakening, I, you know, I just told all my clients about it, and I always did. And I never really questioned about what he had died from until one of my clients told me that, he had died of cancer. And so I I was really puzzled at that. But then that actually ended up costing me a large part of my clientele because I had really cute about that. Because because, you know, I've been bragging about them essentially, telling people that they can cure anything. You know? It's just what they think. Yes. Now That's it. So I so I I realized that, you know, Lester had that kind of power, and so his dying in that way essentially amounted to, choice. Yes. And I'm But you see, what you see that's the human mind is the the tendency of human mind is to focus into one single spot. You see? That's what the mind does because the mind is all about smallishness, about, details, about the image that is perceived. It's not about that to which the totality of the image appear. So being that said is, yes, Lester was giving up was given three months to live maximum, if he maximum. Maybe two weeks, maybe three weeks. So because of that, it took him exactly three months to discover the totality of of truths, to this caliber of many extraordinary experiences as he shared with us and teach us how to during this teaching, share with us how to experience those as well. Now he was he cured himself not only of the heart, but of of all different ailments in the body. And he was always healthy after that for that happens to him in the late forties. He was 47, 40 eight. And he, left the the body around 78 or 79 years old. Mhmm. And, and I could see being around him for the last twenty years of his life that particularly in the last ten to five that he was already done, that he was only around only around because we were a group of about fifteen, twenty people that were very loyal to him. And He had been very, very patient for the first ten years for all of us for all of us to fulfill desire after desire, including people at the time being ill of cancer. All of that happened by itself, not only by the teaching of

Lester. Not by Lester directly, but by the teaching of Lester. I be I was being witness of many, many cases like that. Now when the time came to leave when the time the time came to leave, You see? Because everything is predestined. The life of the body, everything is predestined before we enter into this experiencing of bodyhood that which is a state. It has a beginning and an end. Okay. Right. Bodyhood. In that moment, when he decided to let go, that was the anus that arose, and he didn't do anything about it. Because it was time for the body to just leave. Now he didn't go to doctors. He didn't suffer from pain. He didn't have a painful death. None of the ailments that supposedly goes with cancer. He didn't take any medicine. Not at all. And he didn't suffer. You see? And, and he didn't and he didn't have to live, and and that was it. He was he stopped eating. You see? He stopped taking care of the body for the last two weeks. That's all it took. Or less than that, a week. A week something. That's all it took. Yeah. And the person that was with him, just to fill in, the person that was with him, he will say, Laura, there he was this little body be shrinking and shrinking, and all of a sudden, when he will speak, it will be the potential of the voice that he saw, good. He's going to come back. You know? Because he wanted him to come back, but, no, it was just something that needed to be expressed and then shrinking to the body again. So I don't know whether that answers your question. You see? Well, it it it does. You know, I'm, yeah, I have to bow to the wisdom of the master, of course, but I but, but I do, you know, I didn't want to be able to answer that question, whenever it's asked of me, because, you know, again, I I teach people that they their health is in their hands. That that, you know, they are Their health is in their hands, but but the mom no. Every single body has its expiration date. Yeah. It comes to me with an expiration date. You see? Yeah. So and as he will say, when you're men, no matter how ill you are, no matter how ill you are, it is not your moment, and you know how to take you know how to heal yourself, it will be so. And in other hand, someone cannot it's not that ill, but if it's the moment to go, no matter what they do, it goes. Yeah. You see? So Yeah. That is that is something that has to be taken into consideration. For sure. I I still, you know, have I'm still not certain that for myself, I haven't decided to, believe that the, body has the body mind has a set lifespan. You know? It seems like like being the kind being the being that we are, and the mind being the the thing that it is, the mind is essentially what manifest what enables the whole universe and God to express itself in whatever way God wants to. And the human Absolutely. And the human is that part of that expression. And so Mhmm. What would we then what would we then, block the mind's expression by saying that there's some greater, you know, like, there's a force that we somehow have overlooked? Or It's not a it's not a force. It's not a force. It's what you are, that which is aware of the mind. The mind has no power. The mind has no power. The mind without electricity, it doesn't work. The mind without being perceived, it doesn't work. Right. But there isn't there some kind of some kind of, Like, for instance, since you're being a doctor, when the mind when we have under when we are under anesthesia, there is no experiencing because the mind is knocked out. Right. And that's right. There is no dreams. There is no remembrance of anything while being under anesthesia. The world disappears. Yeah. You see? That's that's no different. You see? So so the mind is a wonderful tool. It's the tool through which we hear, we see, we sense. It's that to which the world appear, the objectivity appears. You see? But you, that which is a way of being aware. You. That is what is that is without that, the mind doesn't exist. You see?

Well oh, but, okay. Well, there's a that's my misunderstanding then. It seems like I thought that, the mind was a creation of that of the the the power itself. Absolutely. It's it's a wonderful tool to to experience phenomena. Yeah. Is it is that with to which the the the world the body mind and the surroundings of the body mind and the world and the universe appears. Yeah. You see? And and and and and and this, and the thing is that we have gotten so used to see via the mind. It's like like, for instance, to see via the mind is like, you know, those doll houses? I don't know whether if you were in in some time in your lifetime, you know, we've been with young girls or with children that they have these houses, like the house dolls. You know, that like, the back of the house is completely empty. Doesn't have a wall. But from all the other sides, they have walls, they have doors, they have windows. So in this case, this example that I'm giving you is that that the house, that will be the mind. And without the wall in the back, that which is seeing it, that is you. That is that which is aware. So what what we have gotten used to get smallish, being very small and starting to see through the windows of that house. So it feels very limited. Yeah. And so that's what we've been doing. We've been seeing via the mind. Yeah. Instead of just also see having the freedom, because that's freedom, to see through the mind, but at the same time, to see as that, to see without the limitation of mind. Okay. I mean, I'm just I'm just sharing with you the ex the experience here. Yeah. I really appreciate this. I'm you know, because it's been a puzzle for a long time, and I I haven't come to any understanding of it really. And and, you know, it would be nice if I could have answered my client's, objections at the time. But, anyway I I I by the way, is is that honest that is that question that you're having is very honest question, very honest question. That was also a question that I dealt with. And, also, the question that I dealt with with with, like, for instance, with Ramana Maharshi. You see? Same thing. Circumst you see? It was a different circumstances, different situation, but for me, because it's about the death of the body, for me, what it said a lot about the example of Ramana Maharshi was that right before beingness, not interested in holding on to the body any longer, He just his last word was his last words were feed the peacock the peacocks. Yeah. Yeah. And the same with the as well. Mhmm. These are these are, like, the most popular masters of all. Like so, of course, it's quite a it's quite a thing that I would like to understand. Obviously, you've dealt with this yourself, so you understand. Yes. But Because you see the the the the truth is that there is no death or eternal. Yeah. I totally get that. I mean, I I I experience being eternal every time I look. You know? And, when I start talking like this, I fail to I forget to look. I I forget, and I go into the thoughts that I was trying to remember to ask. But, but, normally, like, when this is over, I'll be right back into remembering that I'm eternal, and there's nothing to worry about. Of course, I know it's not a worry. It's not a concern. No. Yeah. But it's just a curiosity. It's just like you know? I've I've misunderstood that that sense of mind, the idea that, the mind is separate from God and God, and I'm separate from mind and God. That's the way it kinda seems when a person allows themselves to just die by a curable illness. You know? And because that's been my career, and so I've I I've just never been able to answer the question. But now that you've explained to me that difference, I can really I can really understand that, you know, that there would be a time that there is or there comes to be a time for us all where we can make that choice. But it is a choice, and that's the and that's the thing. And that's something that it was very, also very, perturbing at the time when I heard that that everything is, there was a pedestrian. You see? Yeah. And I remember when I heard that, I was very perturbed, and I didn't like it at all at all. But what was wonderful was that, made me it made me aware of a lot of sensation that I didn't know that they were there. And and I said, because I have experienced so much freedom. Freedom to do things I never imagined I could do.

Freedom to to experience, the most beautiful and and surprising adventures. And, and so speaking to me that everything is pedestrian, that I don't have freedom. And and and what I did and because it was so agitated with that is that I I I, of course, I really it it was released. All of that that came with such intensity was released. And it was released it came the clarity. And the clarity is, yes. If it is predestined to experience freedom to its maximum, it is so. But it's already predestined to experience total freedom. You see? As it is protesting to in the moment that comes, the moment that you feel, you know what? I'm not going to go to the doctor. I'll I'll that you know that you're getting the body is getting ill because you have chosen somehow that it's time to live, you see, without any violence. And it doesn't have to be ill either. It can be having a cup of tea. I have met many beings that have died and they were, naturally, they were not particularly spiritual, dying in the morning after the cup of coffee, even a cup of coffee. Okay. Do you know? Yeah. Yes. Well, again, like you, I I have struggled a lot with that predestination idea. I, you know, still don't know that I would choose to either believe it or accept it. But, but I I will. I will accept it. I wouldn't recommend you to accept it or believe it. Yeah. Not at all. What I'm inviting you is welcome, the confusion or or the the the the the the the pros and cons about it. Welcome that energy. You see? Yeah. Yeah. And then when that is not a little over there, the answer rises, and that's the that is what is that is what, releasing is all about. Releasing is allow the heart, the body to breathe in the same way that we breathe. You know, or allowing our being to breathe. So all the clouds that are there that is that is keeping you from to be total clarity about this situation that you're speaking about, it will arise. Because when you have a question, it's because you you have the answer already. And that was something that was very beautiful about being with Lester, that we didn't depend upon his answers. We if we had a questions, we knew that we'd need to if we release, the answer will show up, and it's beauty because it was about, as he said, you are your own guru. Yeah. So it's not about accepting or or believing in the contrary. Yeah. Neither. I I really got that. I I thank you, Laura, for your clarity. Thank you, See you soon. Bring your attention and at the same time keeping it open to the that area that we call the heart. Allow this area to awaken. To awaken to the love that already is there. Somehow in this area, we are capable to sense what we call human love, but also the sense of true love. That's all. You don't need to make it happen. Just simply open to sense the love that already is here. Hi, Laura. I am, sitting here really enjoying this, but I find my mind keeps concentrating on thoughts as opposed to relaxing and releasing, and I don't know. No. But that that already, Cindy, just we're content. As supposed to. Just notice as I supposed to. Yeah. It's already you're coming from the sense of, a rule. The sense of what? A rule. A rule. Guideline. Yeah. You see? So just for you to to to notice. So just keep going. You were saying? So as Yeah. I I find it challenging to Yes. Yep. But all of that all of that all of that right now is when we are very busy efforting. You're efforting wanting to change the agitation of the mind. You're efforting wanting to change whatever you're experiencing. So you're efforting. Now that efforting is the sense of wanting and not having what you would like to have, isn't it? Yes. Yeah. So it's about wanting. Ultimately, yeah. It is really about wanting. Yeah. Wanting things to be different. Or It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's wanting is needing needing really needing. I really would like that to be different. Right.

It's it's frankly begging. Yeah. Yeah. It's begging. Or I really wish something would not have happened that did happen. Yes. But so all of that, you see, is is all of that is nothing new as long as you imagine to be or you're not, all these thoughts and these feelings. So it's just to make a decision. It's to make a decision. What do you truly want? Do you want peace, imperturbability? Yes. Yeah. P you see this yes. Peace. Yes. Or this agitation. Because perhaps you love this agitation. It's fun. It keeps you busy. Maybe. I I maybe that's why it you know? I don't know. Because if it is, Cindy, embrace it. Have a good time with it. You know? Have a good time as if it is, this is my goodbye party. I'm going to really enjoy it. Have a good look at it because this is it. Mhmm. But I know I don't like it. I know it makes sense. No. No. No. Welcome that too. You think you don't like it, but you love it. Otherwise, it wouldn't be with you as your pillowcase. It wouldn't. Yeah. Okay. It wouldn't. Open you see that you really love it. I said, wow. I am so exotic. Yeah. You see? Because as long as you you see, as it's not here, Cindy. I know you like to to hang around in the thinking bar. Right. You know? With a with a little glass of grief. But Yeah. You see? So for how long how long more? Yeah. How long till it goes away? Until it goes away. How? When? Yeah. I just I feel like I don't know how to make it stop. Okay. Is that okay if you don't know? No. Not really. I really like, because, yeah, I wanna control it and know. Okay. So do you rather control it, or do you rather be free from it? I'd rather be free from it. Okay. So really, really, are you really making that decision, or you just blah blah? Yeah. I I really want to be free from it. It's miserable. It's miserable without you know, I'm miserable without it, you know, with all the chatter. It just makes me miserable. And then I concentrate on staying awareness, staying in the moment. Yes. Yes. All of that. All of that is a lot of work. It is. A lot of it's exhausting. So keep it simple. At this point, what are you? Are you all of that fancy stuff the mind keeps offering? No. I I'm I am just No. No. No. Don't give me answers. I am inviting you to experience it. You see? I'm inviting you to see it. Okay. Yes. Take a step back. Be that which sees what the mind has to offer. All that all that chatter, all that in all that, and simply stop. And at least be interested. At least a little bit interested, and that which is very quiet. Yes. But it's not demanding for attention. It's simply aware. Allow within you to find the refinement of spirit, And let go of all this grotesque because it's grotesque what you're experiencing. Yeah. I've never been you, Hrsidi. Can you let go wanting to own it? Yeah. It feels so personal at times, but, yes, I hear you. That welcome, it feels so personal inside. That's just one more feeling. Look what you said. It feels so personal inside. Yeah. Yeah. So you're describing a feeling. Mhmm. Yeah.

You're right. K. Alright. Just just just notice that whatever you are sensing, notice see the the sea that is appearing somewhere in this emptiness, in this openness, in this spaciousness. You see? Don't limit. Open. I mean, right now, I can see that you're sitting outside in the openness. Mhmm. Mhmm. You are no different than the blue sky. Open, unlimited in all directions. Mhmm. Yes. Malau, those whatever you're sensing, like, being what they are, whatever you're little bit like vapor, taking the shape of clouds and never moving without any you see, without any with a let let them be free from emotional charge. Let go of the fascination with it. Welcome wanting to be fascinated by all this Vape. And can you welcome wanting to use this releasing or, these thoughts or feeling to give yourself to to beat to beat yourself up, actually? K. I mean I mean, you don't need a torture. Right. Right. Okay. I'm I'm just it's for you to to I'm inviting you to not to not to really agree with me because you are able to disagree, say you're not sorry. I could I don't whatever arises whatever arises because it's spontaneous. You see? Because sometimes we're sitting in so much anger. Yeah. Yeah. But we're afraid to feel the anger. You don't have to feel the anger. Just release that. And let it be what it is. You see, you are because anger is a very powerful energy. Yes. Yes. We're afraid to lose control if we get angry. Yes. So all of this is just plain anger. Okay. Just it's for you to see it. Yeah. I do. I see. Yeah. Frustration. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So something got loosen up a little bit lighter. Yeah. But it's just a little bit because you're still holding on. Fear to let it go. So now that we we did this analyzing, which is not necessary, but sometimes it's so tight. You know? So, yeah, tight, like, not. Mhmm. So, again, just be what you truly are, this open sky, and allow all these clouds to to just be clouds. Let go wanting to be interested in the shape of the clouds. Yeah. Let go wanting to make the clouds personal. I know. Perhaps you want to have a CinD Cloud to put all your data there. But Yeah. Gosh. I can see. Yeah. Yes? Yeah. Yeah. I would not have thought of it. All of that now is yeah. Welcome to that. Now the right there now, naked is the unsatisfaction. See? Yeah. That is the unsatisfaction. So the thing is we don't need to feel the feelings before letting them go. We don't. Right. What Lesta what Lesta used to say, do you don't need to smell the garbage before letting it go. Okay. It's it's it's unsatisfaction. It's just it's just the energy. Yes. Let go wanting to to make something out of it. Yeah. Yes. It just perpetuates things. I hear you. Yeah. You see? Because you're thinking this because then you're right. You have written down what you want. That's why it's good to write down what you want. And if you're going to think, to think what you want. But right now, you're just thinking what you don't want. Right. Yeah. I don't want to do that, but I do. I I hear you. No. But what I mean, I wanted to do that, what I do. What does that mean? Yeah.

Now what I'm what I'm saying, I wanted to do that, but I do that. That is a that is a a thought, isn't it? It is. Exactly. So let's see where that thought culminates. Is that because you want to to be different? Or wanting notice that it's something that you're doing with it or about it. Wanting to get busy with it. Yes. Yes. If you see, that is the beauty about the the the releasing for us, some of us that have this mental, fascination is that to take it really to the master program. The master program is the survival as a body. So we want to control. Right. We need to control everything. Right. So when in doubt, you're wanting to control. You don't even have to ask the question. It's to, I must be controlling. Okay. And just stop for a second because in that moment, when you stop for a second, you're allowing what you are to be. The infinity of what you are. I mean, that is I mean, if you could hear that. It really just that recognition. Oh, I might be wanting to control. Okay. Because you we don't sense it because we're so busy. Right. So if if you're so busy, you must be wanting to con you're being a puppet of of the of the tendency of wanting to control. Right. Yeah. Yeah. See that. Oh, yeah. So just keep it simple. One and down. Oh, must be going to control. K? K. Alright. You see? Yeah. Okay. And just recognize immediately when it happened that there is a moment that you have a break. Right? And then because we've been practicing wanting to go you see? Recreating it again, remanufacturing it again and again. Yes. Yes. I do that. Okay. So welcome wanting to be controlled. K. My thoughts or feelings. Yes. Yes. A little bit. Well, just a little bit. Yes. Yes. For sure. So so that's the thing is is to make a decision because decisions that we're making decisions all day long, but they are unconscious decisions. Yeah. And those unconscious decision are effortless, and they are very powerful. Yes. So you hear me? So notice you're doing the unconscious decision of, oh, here I am again completely absorbed, perpetuated. You see, you're making the decision to be completely controlled, completely taken by all this imagined activity of thoughts and feeling because it's not even real. It's imagined. Right. Okay. Thank you. The thing is before are you feeling lighted and freer? I I am. I just feel a lot of emotion. Yeah. A lot of No. But that's the thing. You feel it's so it's a little break, and immediately you fill it up. Immediately. Mhmm. Yeah. Immediately because you did. Yeah. For a second, you did. Yeah. Man, it's I wanna stop it. No. No. You cannot stop it, Cindy. Don't you see that the other wants to stop it cannot stop it? Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I mean Yeah. It's just for you again, it's I mean and I invite you again. You don't need to agree with me. I'm inviting you to truly that which sees to see it. K. To see this agitation, to see this. You see? And notice the space that is allowing it to see it. Yes. Yes. Because the moment that that happens, something loosens up immediately. Really allow. Allow. Give it a chance. It's not about trust. It's about seeing See?

It's very different to be involved about about from seeing it. Yes. And take a deep breath. We can check afterwards. We can check again. But what I mean, keep it really open your attention. You have your in the open is out where you are. Open your attention. And don't allow yourself to be pulled in. Just allow the clouds to do what it does. Not interesting when they come, how which shape they have, or when they go. You know? Already the best and the worst of it have nothing new to tell you. Actually, let them be all whatever you're sensing is story free. Okay. At least the best you can for, you know, for the next while we're here in the meeting. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Thank you. The question is how to stay in this place of conscious awareness that you've brought us to. Right now, you are there. Yeah. I guess I have to see if it's, you know, I'll lose it at some point after this call. I'll I'll kind of move out of it. No. It's impossible to move out of it. It's impossible. Just for now. Really try to move out of it. No. Right now I can't. It's only when a thought appears that says, oh, I lost it. But just see that thought as a sound. The moment you start to see this because you see the thoughts well, even the the word thought for me is a concept. Because thoughts are either sounds or either images or sounds and images together. So the moment you start to purse open to the perceiving directly without any interpretation, you will see that there are only three types of perceptions. Sounds, images, and sensations. So when you see these sounds and you started to see them as sounds without being interested in the meaning, see what happens. Okay. That's, very helpful. I'll give this a try. And then you see always go to your heart. As Ramana Maharshi used to say, the I feeling. And this I feeling is what keep us saying something is missing, and that's what Lester called the sense of lack. And it's only a sensation. It's only a sensation. And would you let it be what is? Pure energy. Evaporates. Can you see that? Yeah. Yes. Can you see how it just it's immediate? Because where you are is timeless. And in timelessness, there is no time to to for process to happen. That's right. It evaporates. The energy evaporates. It goes back to the it's natural to its origin, which is just pure peace. Thank you, Laura. Your explanation of sensations and thoughts and images Just being energy that can easily evaporate that makes it feel so much easier for me because I feel like I'm less identified with them. So that's really helpful. Thank you. Thank you. It's a great question, Mae. Thank you for for asking. And it goes back to what you were saying, Laura, about keeping it simple. That really is simple. It's that simple. Very simple. Wonderful. But even the word simple is really because it's it's yes. That's why I like to put the infinite simple. Yes. Because you see, where we are is timeless. So the moment there is an image that is unpleasant, you see, you don't want to do anything about it. You don't want to change it. You don't want to get rid of it. You don't want to analyze it. You don't want to maintain it. You don't want to feel controlled by it, manipulate it. Mhmm. You see? So you just let it be. And when you let it be, it becomes what is. Because you are interested in that and which is appearing, which is you. The moment you, pure reality, is not giving any reality to it, it just melts back into where it came it came from. That's wonderful. Hi, Laura. Oh, yes. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. I wanna share the process, and I feel like I received already a lot of tools from you to be able to do this on my own, but I'll just share it anyways. So I was very limitless with what I wanted, and then I was doing advantages and disadvantages.

The disadvantages and you've already said this so many times, but the disadvantages that came up, not practical, spiritual avoidance, survival mode, time before it's monetizable. So I'm welcoming the thoughts and then allowing that to be released. One of my desires is the just wanting to do animation, nondual animation, but I'm still very much a a beginner at it. So the beliefs, the illusion that I'm holding on to is like, okay. It's gonna take time for that to be monetizable, you know, and I wanna invest a lot of energy into that. And that feels the belief is I'm holding on to spiritual avoidance because I'm not gonna be working as much because I wanna put more energy into this. You know? So these are a lot of the constructs I'm holding on to, the illusions I'm holding on to. Okay. But the good thing is that you're seeing them. You're you're seeing you're seeing them for what they are. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. So so what is in the way for you to set them free? What seems to be in the way? Setting the same principles, resistance. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Right? You went there. It was it was happening. Yes. I I Yes. I experienced that. Yes. Yes. You released, but it's okay. Now it came. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that is just more just just fine. Yeah. Just more of the same thing. That's all. Certainly. Yes. And just you see? Just you are ready. At every moment, you are ready. The the the the I I noticed from my from my experience that the mind has a tendency that is later. It's always about later. You will be ready later. You are not ready yet because there is a later. The reason that you said I'm not ready is because you are thinking that there is a later that you where you will be ready. So ready you're only ready now. Is there any other moment before now? Yeah. Another, yeah, another thought that that arose is just even tonight, it's like the the wanting, the desire to work in order to make sure bills are paid. So that's that's another thought that arose. Yes. So but so but you see that as long as you're doing what you love to do Yeah. Whether it's just your your animation or whatever that it is that you like to do, you see, just just it's because you've been putting this project of animation that you're going to make my that in the future, when you were speaking about it, it sounded very far in the future. Yeah. So notice that you could you notice that you're doing that? Yes. Yes. I can see that. And welcome as well, wanting to be separate from it. You see, you have this project, but you you you there's a sense of separation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We usually feel the sense of separation as distance, as a distance between you and whatever you would like to experience. You see, when one truly releases, it's immediate. Things fall into place naturally, effortlessly. So so that is a demonstration that we're truly releasing. If things are still the same, nothing changes, then you're not releasing. So what you said is that there seems to be a conflict between this thing that you're projecting in the future. It seems that you're projecting in the future. Now at this moment, I need to work to pay the bills. So so that is the dynamics that you are, so that's what I would invite you to to see. Just notice that conflict. And she can see that conflict wanting to control, wanting approval, wanting to secure it. All three. Oh, and they're wanting to control. Let's see if there's any sense of wanting to be different than the way it is. Oh, then the way that it's appearing at the moment. So what I would like to for you to check, me, is what is your intention? How you have written your intention? Because you may have two intentions. But how you have written your

intention? Yeah. I wrote it exactly. Do I should I share it? Do you do you wanna hear it? If you if you want to, yes. Yeah. So my intention, animation for non duality and then also have it be my own. So it's not any other brand. It's this brand. I would love to do something around, like, a Sedona method animation course. Third bullet point is that it would be really cool for this is this is for funs funsies, but Laura to be at the top with the social media and stuff. And then have have the perfect place with Kathy, only talk to strangers when I want, because I talk to a lot of strangers doing Uber and all that stuff. Have a community of people that I can support deeply, and then $77,000,000 Eckhart Tolle style. You know? Yeah. Forgot So you see, all of that is right now is is is yeah. Intentions, but the intention that I was that I will recommend for you to start with is one single one. Those are there. You see? And, yes, and and and what they are very good is that when you can see them, see them for what they are and say, oh, how do I feel about that? I want but, and release, but I will recommend one at this moment. And that's what the one that I allow myself to have the to have the the perfect income. Right? That's what you want to have. Right? Yeah. Financial to to doing what you love to do while having financial while being financially rewarded. Got it. Got it. Got it. So I'm making it complex. Yes. So Yeah. It is it is you see, it is all, too much for the for the mind to to start. You are giving it too many directions, and you need to give a clear north to the mind, one clear goal. Gotcha. One clear intention. Okay. That's that's good to know. Yeah. A lot of different directions rather than Yes. Clear thought. Got it. But but what is good is that you have just those things clear. Yeah. You see? And they're there. If they get written, they get done. You know? Yeah. So but the thing is where to start. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Exactly. With with one. You see? With one. You see? And and and really make the thing make the experiment work. Is it true that I that I that I can't that is it true? Because the beautiful thing about releasing is not really having the intention perfectly fall into your lap, but to realize that it's through this experiment that you realize that there is only one single being. True. That's how in this case came about by fulfilling all the different goals. Thought arose. For example, I switched the thought. Just do exactly what I love with financial freedom to make it more singular, more when a thought arose is since it's a little bit more general, what if I become compromising with it? No. No. No. No. Again, you see what is hap I'm glad you you brought this up. Yeah. I'm glad I'm I'm glad because you see when you said compromising, what is that? Isn't that that that that doesn't sound like negotiating, wanting to control, making sure that if I write it this way, they might get it. So all of instead of releasing, they're wanting to control. You want to guide it. You want to direct it. You want to make sure that it's correct. It's just simple. You see, you're not allowing yourself to be very simple. I allow myself to do what I love to do and be and and make a lot of money for it now. It will come up. Oh my god. It's impossible. It's too fast. I am not ready. It will need this, and we need that, and I need to pay the that is all the thought that needs to be released. You see? Yeah. Yes. Like, needing to compromise. That is is that wanting to control. Yeah.

Because, yeah, the mind is, like, well, it's technically what I love, you know, and, you know Yeah. But, again, it's technically what I love. Isn't that one more thought? It is. Absolutely. See, when you release, the mind the mind is not you're releasing what all the no's that are contained in the mind. When you say a yes, all the no's arises. So the mind is a perfect tool to give you exactly what you want. And right now, it's giving you exactly what is within the mind. You want to know what the concepts within your mind looks like, look around you. So the the that's right. When when the the content of the mind is changed, the the the world changes. Change your thinking, and the world out there changes. Now when you are releasing, Notice if you're indulging yourself in this kind of converse inner monologue that we may have because that inner monologue is what is designing your experiencing. You are not releasing. That inner monologue is the is what is directing your your your, experiencing. The only inner monologue that's arising is, like, okay. Trust Laura and go all the yeah. Just trust Laura. That's the thought there is. So in this case, I don't even trust Laura. Trust yourself. Absolutely. Yourself. And and and and and and I'm glad again you're bringing this up because it's clarifying that be specific about one single goal and be with that one. You see, because what you you're letting go also is that the sense that we have such a, we have a concept that because the mind the element of time is belongs to the mind is that that there is such a thing as a process that it takes time. That is and and that is a concept. Now what we are is timeless, but we have the luxuriousness to have a a concept that we created called time. And the time is due to the density of physicality. Physicality is very dense, so it seems to need a sense of time. So what you're releasing is the density of thinking of all these thoughts. We call it resistance, but it's not really resistance. It's just density. Another label, I guess. Yeah. So are you picking one? Yeah. Do do exactly what I love with financial freedom. Yes. Yeah. Yes. But but I allow Yeah. To have perfect activity with financial freedom now. Easily. It is necessary, but easily. So to start doing it, just just see what is in the way right now for that to be so. Yeah. One, one thought another thought, just a thought, arose, but it's it's been a thought that has been perpetual for for times. You know? Was, there I remember there was a statement by Eckhart Tolle. He was sharing about, like, in terms of manifestation. Like, if he all of a sudden wanted to decide to become a pro golfer or something like that, That's that isn't, I don't know what the word is, isn't isn't practical per se. There's still dynamics in the world that we have to you know what I mean? Like, for for example, if you all of a sudden wanted to become a pro basketball player, that's not necessarily within your alignment per se to manifest even though you had a thought like that per se. So that's a thought that can be released, no doubt, but that's that's a thought that arose. Yes. But, usually, the thought that will arise within you is because you, you know, first of all, you you are limited by the by the recycling thinking. The recycling thinking is never about fresh new thoughts. It's when you release that you have an idea about something, that you see something lighter, clearer, sharper, that you have fresh new thoughts. Because we never have fresh new thoughts. They're always repetitive thoughts. And that is the slavery, the slavery of thinking. It's extraordinary, you know, that we have the imagination, that we can that we have the the freedom to think any thought. We can think any thought. Because whatever we can think, whatever we can put in the shape of a thought is possible. The thing is this, because I have seen it. I have seen it. I have seen extraordinary things. But the person, when they were working in the world, they were firm. Firm. You know, when you're just firm, you're just clear. And with the being firm is free from effort. And by the way, I mean, thoughts may come up. That's it. I'm fooling myself.

This is bullshit. I mean, why is this this is not to make any all of that all of that all of that comes. It comes the doubt. Because you see, beliefs are limits. So when you go beyond the the the the the limit, the reason that we hold on to belief is because they gave us the false impression that they're keeping us safe. So when you're releasing, you're going beyond the this imagined walls. So that's why it feels daring. It feels dangerous. Yes. Because you are releasing the foundation of every beliefs. Every belief system, the foundation is fear. Wanting safety. But the beauty that here we know that fear is only energy. No longer away free from fear. Grateful, Laura. Yes. Make it fun. Yeah. Just just just like a scientist. It's an experiment. Okay. It's an experiment. You know, you don't have to believe it. It's an experiment. You know? And and and and and you don't know how it go it's going to go. You're going to see like a like a good scientist. You don't know how the result is going to be. All you know that if whatever appears to be in the way, you're letting it go. Let's see what what is in there, what arises. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you, mate. Yeah. Right at this moment, at some level, You are aware of the infinite being that you are. Now the I is. And how will the one experience that? Simply notice, are you aware of the I? The word I. Yes. That word I is the beingness part of you. This is only the beingness part. So simply experience this I, even if it's necessary to. Voice internally without leaving using your lips or your muscles. The sound I yes. Maybe once or twice. Yes. That's the only beingness part. Now when you experience I That's it. That part of you is infinite. Anything you are, experiencing it. Ever. There is not an instant. That you are not experiencing it. So how come? It's not fully and completely as it is. The experiencing of I am. I am an infinite being. Because oh, we feel because we feel to it. We cover it with the thought I am a body. What is actually experiencing or happening as you say that.

Was you. Hold on to that. You're saying, I, the infinite being, a body. Or I, the infinite being, this by. So Through the whole activities, each time you say I, you are invoking. Starting from the beingness that you are. Every time you say I am something, You are seeing I, the infinite being, I'm, is sing. And that's the freedom, then infinite freedom of being infinite. And it's that it allows you to assume limitations as much as you want. And this is the reason that We do such a good job at limiting ourselves. So notice that you are from moment to moment, starting from the only beginning there is, actually the endless beginning that you are. I. Either infinite being, a limited something. That is the formula that we use to generate, to assume, and generate imagined limitations. But because you are what you are, infinite. At least for a second. Right here. Right now. Allow to be no thing. It is actually very easy to just play. And it would be it would be very easy. It can be easy. If we wouldn't have the conviction that it is difficult. Each time we really open even for a second to the I, We do experience So just notice the dynamics of thinking. Brings you back into the thought. I. The infinite being, a body again. Just notice the dynamics. Be where you are. That which is beyond the dynamics. That which is allowing for the dynamics of thinking. To naturally dissipate. As right here, right now, nothing needs to happen. Already is what it is. No transition is necessary. The transition is simply the collapsing of thinking. Yes. Remember the openness ever here for you. I is the beingness part. Am is a infinite part of you. I am experiencing that completeness of what you are. Infinite, unlimited. Hi, Nora. Yes. Who's this? Siobhan. Oh, hi, Siobhan. Hello. Hello. I I really, enjoyed the money weekend and that you did recently. And then I realized that there's, one thing that I'm confused around because I've heard I've heard, you could say, almost, opposite things about wanting. It's this thing I'm still trying to get some clarity around the wanting because on that beautiful quote of Lester's, happiness like, wrote it, Is thinking what you want. Yes. Is thinking what you want. Exactly. You're going to think? If you're going to think. Happiness is thinking what you want. And at other times, I I have understood that any element of wanting is coming from lack, and so I'm a bit confused about that. There seems to be in maybe there's different places where the wanting comes from in you. No. No. No. I can see what you're saying. Yes. Wanting is wanting. Wanting is feeling that you don't have it. That you you that things will be different if you do. Isn't it? So and again, wanting is needing it. Wanting is feeling separate from it. You see? So that's why when we're releasing wanting, we're releasing the wanting to be separate. Whether you're separate from that particular thing, that particular situation, or separate from what you truly are. But we don't we don't feel that separation of what we truly are. We feel it more with objects or situations or people. Yeah. Yes. So that's right. It's very good. When we have a a a particular desire and we write that desire down. And the reason that that desire down will, I am speaking from my experience, it used to start with two words. The word call the word I, which is that means starting from where you are, and allow. That is I I am a I allows infinity to be. The forest, I allow to have or to enjoy. You see? Because what it is is that it will invite you to release the imagining nose. The imagine say that last word again. Nose. No's. The imagine no. No. The imagined no. Yes. Imagine no.

Like, it's not possible. It's too late, too much, too little. First, I will need to have that. Now because of the you see, we have all these explanations about what has not happened, but still you would like to. Yeah. And that is the dilemma, and that's what generates frustration, unpleasantness, unhappiness, heaviness, density. You see all of that that we are experts. So it's like you put that we have a want, and then we have something that undermines that want the whole time. Absolutely. Very well put. Yeah. You have that want, so what you're letting go is what is undermining that want. You see? Because the only reason you're wanting it is because you know you can have it. Otherwise, you wouldn't even dare. You see? So so so the thing is, yes, I allow to to experience and enjoy. You see? So the thing is that the reason that in the world, so to speak, we are afraid to dream. And as we when we are children, our dreams are big, and we grow, as we grow, our dreams become smaller. They shrink. You see? Because we have learned concept about being practical and also we have learned that fear to be disappointed. Yeah. You see? And is that, fear to to to to yes. To to to feel disappointed. So the good thing about having a a goal is that it seems like from the point of view of, if you are someone who consider himself very spiritual, oh my god. That's not spiritual. Wanting to have a million dollar, that's not spiritual. Wanting to have a home, that's not spiritual. It is there is no such a thing about spiritual or non spiritual. You see? What you are is neither spiritual or not. It is. So but as long as you have an intention that is inviting you to be freer and happier and lighter. You see? Because the true of the matter is that when you're releasing in the in that intention, you will find that you're happy either way. Yeah. But before that intensity that if you don't have it, you will be unhappy, that intention collapses. That urge the sense of urgency collapses because it's I've got that sense of urgency that somehow was keeping it away from you. And what may happen, Shiban, that is very often is that when you have it an intention and you release and re that means you're releasing, it's not possible, it's too late, who do you think you are, it will need certain process, and I don't feel up to it. Whatever. You see? Is that perhaps you say, oh, that's not what I want. What I truly want is this. And that can't because now you're freer. Yeah. You get to a deeper level of Yes. You are freer. And so wait a minute. This is what I truly want. Because now you are daring because it's less fear. Because every single thought of feeling that you release is only fear. As Lester used to say, every feeling is more or less fear. Yeah. Yeah. That that resonates for me. And I I I've been trying to do witnessing of fear, and I've got a lot of it. Don't keep it all to yourself. I've got some of it anymore. Oh, okay. Yes. That's a good partner. And, yeah, the in terms of releasing, because that I've I've I am still wrapping my head around what what that really is, what that really, I guess, what that really feels like. Yeah. The experience of You see, releasing doesn't belong to this, to what we see through the physical eyes. You see? What is we're seeing through the physical eyes is our, our conscious and subconscious thoughts or beliefs or ideas. So only what you are conscious can release what is behind the scenes, so to speak. So when you release certain when you release what happens when you release, you will start to see things differently as you may have or have experienced, and you start to have more clarity. So the thing is that what it seems through the physical eye will change. So what is releasing is not the body. What is releasing is that which is aware of the body Because that is already free, which is that which aware of the thinking, a thought arises, and you see, you have the choice to stay aware of the thought, going along with the thought, believing the thought, or simply see it for what it is, a thought. And you're seeing it for what it is, a thought, the moment that you are aware of being aware. That makes sense. So it's not like you necessarily feel more relaxed. You have a different perspective for me. What you are is naturally relaxed. The the the tensions is the unconscious tension, unconscious fear because when thought they

have an emotional charge. But usually, we're unaware of charge. That's right. They are repetitive because we have no relational charge. So thought wouldn't be arising unless they have it. And the emotional charge is there because we have somehow identified with those thoughts because we saw that perhaps for whatever reason, we all have many, many different, justifications to hold on or not to hold on to thoughts. The thing is, the beauty, Shivan, is to start to see, to no longer believe the thoughts. Because before, we didn't even challenge them. We we we believe them. Yeah. And now when you're seeing them from what you are, you're starting to see us. And if and if they feel personal, if they feel very intimate, if they feel true, it's because we're making them personal. But that is an unconscious, tendency. And we're and and and and that's why it comes very handy just where that thought is arising from. If it's arising from wanting to control wanting to control your surroundings, wanting to control a situation, wanting to control the way you feel, or if you're coming from the sense of wanting approval. Even your own approval. Security. It's usually around wanting to feel secure, I think. Yeah. Very good. So welcome this and that is very good because that means that because that is the the the, the, deeper sense of experiencing. So when we are at the sense of one insecurity, you see, that's very good. You know, it's it's because what this is the way how the dynamics works is what is in the surface is control. You want to control the weather. You want to control housing, the speed of things. You want to control everything. Everything. And and you and the reason you want to control everything is because you want to feel that you are approve of. You feel that as long as you're in control, you're approving of yourself. And if you're approving of yourself, you feel safe. So safe is very and if you feel safe, then you stay separate. You see? So what what what if you are experiencing that there is wanting security, wanting safety, that that that is that you are the releasing is coming from the from fee from directly from the fear. Mhmm. And fear, when we lose the fear to fear, we see it for what it is. Only emotional charge. Only energy. Effort. Fear is the effort to be separate. So yes. So if that is happening oh, one insecurity. That recognition is huge. Can you see that you couldn't recognize it unless you're being conscious? Yeah. I'm much closer to it now than just just feeling fear without realizing it. Yes. Now you now because and and and the moment you become conscious, it loosens up. You see? And it loosens up without the drama of going of experiencing the flavor of fear, the flavor of terror because it feels like terror when we're releasing the existential fear. Because it's not we call it the fear to die. No. It's the fear to exist, to no longer exist. Fear of life. The the the what you're experiencing wouldn't be arising if it wasn't because you're ready to be free from it. And the beauty is that to really open to what you truly want. And what you truly want is happiness. Because the reason that that's all we want is because that's what we are. And and and once we experience that sample of happiness, this lightness of being, that's oh my goodness. That's all we want. It's it's it's everything. Everything is available. Everything. So true ambition because what we are is very ambitious. True ambition is be the happiness that we are. And I say that because I remember when Lester used to say just go for for what you are and everything will drop into you. And I don't know how many times I heard that until finally it was heard. It's very it's very touching. I you know, I can really feel it. Yes. And, yeah, to know that to to because and when you said to feel that, to feel to feel is being alive. Because we're being aware of being alive. We because we didn't know how to handle feelings. We have forgotten. And and now we know. It's not something that we're learning. It's just that now we're aware and what again like children, but children in the good sense.

Children that feelings come and go. Three from stories. You did that to me. No. I did that to you. Thank you. No. Thank you. From the book, Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson, about happiness. When we analyze that which everyone is seeking, it turns out to be happiness. And when we find God, our true self, that turns out to be the ultimate happiness. When we seek and find the full truth, the absolute truth, again, that turns out to be the ultimate happiness, and also the greatest good. The greatest good turns out to be the ultimate happiness. Every being is seeking freedom, and the complete freedom or liberation is also the ultimate happiness. So in the end, the words, god, good, truth, liberation, freedom, and self turn out to be the ultimate happiness. And everyone is seeking this good, happiness, liberation, truth, God, and self. There isn't anyone who's not seeking it. The only difference between some of us and others is that some of us are consciously seeking it and are becoming happier, And others are seeking it blindly in the world and are becoming more frustrated. Yet only when we go within, do we discover that all happiness is there? The only place where we can feel happiness is right within ourselves. That is exactly where it is. Every time we attribute this happiness to something external, to a person or a thing external. We get more pain with it than we do pleasure. You have had experienced enough. You have lived long enough. And if you have examined it carefully enough, you have discovered it. The happiness that we are seeking and thinking is out there and external to us is not there. The happiness with no sorrow can only be found by going within. Excerpts from the book. Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson. The final question. The final question that everyone must answer is simple. What am I? So my question to you is, why not begin with the final question? If you could, it would be all good, all wonderful. But there are very few of us who are capable of just holding on to what am I? We have gotten ourselves so habituated with subconscious thoughts and feelings that we cannot let go of them. And therefore, we need other methods, other aids. Like other major methods from the East are called dana yoga, raja or kriya yoga, bhakti yoga, karma yoga. The path that is best for you is the one that you like best. Each path includes all the other paths. The only difference is the emphasis. If we're intellectual, we emphasize the inner path, the path of intellect and wisdom. If we are of devotional nature, we emphasize the bhakti path of love and devotion to God. If we like to be of service to mankind, we use the karma yoga path. Each path leads to the quieting of the mind and also that we may see the infinite being that we are. Since all of the above path aim to achieve the quieting of the mind, yet why not go directly to the mind itself? It is more direct and practical and the most efficient of all methods. In fact, if we go directly to the mind, we will discover that it is simply the totality of all of our thoughts, conscious and subconscious, and that all of these past thoughts on particular things have culminated into feelings. These feelings in turn now motivate additional thoughts. So if our thoughts are motivated by our feelings, all we need to do to remember our infinite beings is to release our feelings, the motivators of the thoughts. Then our mind will be quiet. And when the mind is quieted, the infinite being that we are becomes self obvious. Simple, isn't it? Excerpts from the book, keys to the ultimate freedom by Lester Levenson. The world we create. Let us now take a look at this apparent sea called the world. As we have discussed, the world is only our mental creation. It is not external, but it's the reality within us, within our mind. Someday, you will discover this. Creation begins by first creating what we call a mind, which is a composite of all of our thoughts and feelings, conscious and subconscious, then through this mind, we create our world. In fact, every little thing that happened to each and every one of us, we create first in our minds. We mentally create this thing called time, which makes it even more difficult to see the creation process because we think now, and the effect of that thought happens much later. But the only creator there is is mind, your mind. Is god a creator? Yes. Because you are. Thou art that. You set up a mind, and through the mind, create. It is necessary and good to discover that everything happening to us is caused by our feelings and thinking. Everything that happened to us is created first in our thought. And when you discover this, you discover that you create

your troubles as well. And then you realize that if it is so, then you can create anything you desire, and you will begin to create only good things. Still, even when you discover that there is nothing that you cannot create, you're still not satisfied. The reason is that you have separated yourself from your infinite beingness, your oneness. And only on recognizing and being your infinite beingness, are you perfectly satisfied? So if there are any problems that remain, they they only remain because you're holding on to them and your thought. The moment you let go of them, they are gone. If you tell me that isn't so for you, I tell you it is. The truth is you are still holding on to the problem and telling me that it doesn't work. You see, trying to get rid of a problem is holding on to it. Anything we try to get rid of, we're holding in mind and thereby sustaining it. So the only way to correct a problem is to let go of it. Don't focus on the problem. Focus only on what you want. From this moment on, you would only see what you want. That is all that you will get. But you hold in mind the things you don't want. You struggle to eliminate these things you don't want and thereby sustain them. This means that it is necessary to let go of the negative and focus on the positive if you want a positive, happy life. Excerpts of the book, Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson. The world as a dream. The world as you now see it is really a product of your imagination. And when you see the truth, the world turns out to be a dream, a fiction created in your mind. First, you will see it as a dream. Then you will see it as a dream that never really was. In fact, you will experience it exactly as you do a night dream. What you are in the night dream, You have a body. There are other bodies. There is action, interaction. There is good and there is bad. And so long as you remain in that night dream, everything there seems real to you. But when you awaken from the night dream, you say, my gosh. It was just a dream. It never really happened. It was all a dream. This is exactly the same manner in which you will awaken from this dream call, the waking state. You will come to see that it was only a creation of your imagination, only a dream, and then you will go of it completely. And what you will be left with is the infinite ill, then you will call yourself fully realized, totally free. Actually, we're fully realized all the time. That is part of the irony. We are fully realized beings saying that we are not. So all we have to do is let go of we are not. And what is left of her is the fully realized and free being that we are. Excerpts from the book, Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson. Real love. Human love is limited, and yet it is that which most people define as love. Real love, however, is a constant, persistent acceptance of all beings in the universe, fully, wholly, totally. It is acceptance of another as they are. In fact, it is loving them because they are the way they are. Human love is controlling and restrictive. Divine love is wanting and allowing another to be the way another wants to be. Human love is judgmental and relative. Divine love is seeing and accepting everyone equally. In fact, this is the best of how divine our love is. Is it the same for every person we meet? Is our love for those who are opposing us as strong as for those who are supporting us? Real divine love is unconditional and is for everyone alike. Welcome. If you find yourself listening, it's because perhaps within you is the sense of opening up to the truth of what you are. And the beauty of this truth is that you already are all that is to be. That you are what you are already. There is no choice about that. The only choice there is is ignoring it. So when we find ourselves seeking for truth, seeking for clarification, It's because we are opening to be more and more what we are, and less and less ignoring this truth. So a good question it could be, how do I open to what I am and stop ignoring this truth? One could say that there are many ways, but from my experience, the most direct way is releasing. And releasing helps you to understand how the natural letting go occurs. How the natural letting go is as natural as breathing. And what is the way letting go? What is that is needed to let go of? What's been letting go of is desire. The desire to ignore what we are and to direct that desire to what we are. So at every moment, even though it may be appearing in the shape of thoughts, in the shape

of emotions, in the shape of tensions, contractions, fears. All that is being let go of is the desire to be separate from what we are. And the more and more this desire is let go of naturally and effortlessly, You start to experience the sweetness and the joy that is already right within you. Happiness itself. The happiness of just being what you are. Because that's the discovery that all the happiness we're looking for out there in the shape of a diploma, in the shape of a home, in the shape of a relationship, fame, recognition is right within us. So the difference is that instead of looking for happiness where it's not, Instead of acting from needing happiness, You start to act from what you are. Happiness itself. And when you start to act from happiness itself, then you enjoy celebrating the idea of having a diploma, a home, a relationship, But then it come from fullness, from joy. And we no longer needs to postpone happiness because you're starting from what you are. Happiness itself. Most of the people on the call, many of the people on the call, have been doing some form of Lester style releasing, and, I've gotten to know a a good number of them over the, I guess, seven years now I've been releasing. And, you know, given the overall world situation now, many people, they can acknowledge intellectually. Okay. Fine. I'm whole, complete, and perfect as I am, but that's not my default reality. My default reality is I'm a flesh and blood, you know, biologic entity that moves around the surface of the earth, and I have all these needs and wants having to do with, you know, basic necessities like food, health, clothing, shelter. And it seems that I need to engage in some type of structured focused action to produce that result. And many people are meeting with difficulty in, performing those kind of activities to generate the things they think they need and want, I'll say, in the awake dream. So I say that's the discrepancy that many people I talk to are up against. Okay. Fine. I got it about what I really am as being as your presence. Fine. That's not gonna put food on my table. That's not gonna give my car a big deal. That's very good. So you know what? Just let tell them to make advantages and disadvantages of holding to that point of view. So advantages and disadvantages of thinking that there are biological unit in the awake stream? Holding on to that point of view. And that point of view you're saying is that they're a biological entity in the awake dream? Yes. And that they Okay. Things are difficult and that they have to work very hard and that all those things. And that is something that, in this case, I'm glad I did. I'm glad it happened that way. I did advantages or disadvantages of everything that will come up. Okay. Because, in this case, I took literally the experience that Lester says. That Lester said, get everything only by releasing and by releasing only. And it takes jumping into the void. It really takes letting go all your support. Oh, okay. Everything. Because it's you see everything. As long as you're saying, okay, I'm understanding intellectually and that's the way it is, fine. That's what they want to hold on to. That's fine. That's their freedom. Oh. We're not here to change the world. At all. If you'll permit me, I'll I'll play devil's advocate. Absolutely. I thought it came to mind when you were talking. Because I I kind of imagined myself explaining this to someone else who can say. So but the thing is, you see, the important thing is not to, explaining. They if they already know how to release, just really to sit down and do the work. As long as they don't want to do the work, it's because they are not willing to experience it. Alright. And what would you say to someone who says, I've done the work. I've read the book. I've listened to CDs. I've done retreats. I have a releasing buddy. I have a coach, and my my life in the awake dream is not what I seek. I'm intentionally avoiding the word want. But my intention for the circumstances of my experience or the alleged experience in the wake dream is nowhere near what I want. And I see other people who've never heard of releasing, and they're living a lavish life. What's wrong? What am I doing wrong? That that's very common. Right now, what you're starting to do wrong is what you're starting what you're starting to do

wrong is comparing. Okay. Comparing yourself. You're busy, very busy comparing instead of being being busy consciously to the world that what you want is freedom. And then what would you say to someone who said, okay. I can realize my freedom. I'd still be poor. I'd still be sick. It's still Let's see. If you want to do that, yes. I mean, it's and that's what Lester will say. Yes. If you want to be miserable, hey. That's your freedom. What if someone says I don't wanna be miserable? I I seem to be realizing my freedom progressively, but I don't wanna be miserable in the awake dream, but I seem to be miserable in the awake dream. I'm exaggerating a little bit. No. I know. Of course. Yes. To make to bring the point home, I understand. Yes. Make advantages and disadvantages of wanting to stay miserable. Okay. Okay. You see that opens up your discrimination. And advantages and disadvantages of resisting freedom. Oh, okay. You see, as long as we're looking for an answer, you see what you we are not here to accommodate our points of view. We're not here to make them feel better. We're here to be free from them. Okay. Free from the lie that is free from that which maintains the lie that you are a separate being, and and that you're separate, and that you're miserable because you're separate. Okay. Well, as long as you brought up that point, could we start a different thread of conversation? Absolutely. Is each of us subject to a script that was created, let's say, at our birth? And if so, do we have any ability to alter the script? Of course. Otherwise, you wouldn't be freedom. I'm sorry. Otherwise, what? You wouldn't be what you are. Oh, okay. Infinite freedom. Okay. You see, we have the tendency to solidify things. Nothing is solid. You are pure substance. Now going back to what the that you have to you you see, it's because we're trying you're we're very interested in that which is appearing. We're not interested in that in in which is appearing. Okay. You see that at every instance, we're interested in that which is appearing. Mhmm. And we become and we and we become experts. So can you we become experts about objects, that which appears. Yes. So see that you're because we're see, do you rather be an expert in that which appears, or do you rather be happy? How about balance? I see some people who seem to me to be fairly well evolved, maybe even enlightened. I don't know. Or maybe realize the freedom they've always been, whatever expression you like to use, and they have material comfort. Because there's nothing nothing wrong with it. No. Nothing wrong with it. But the people who are, let's say, progressing spiritually but don't have the material comfort seek material comfort along the way. And it see I could be completely wrong, but it seems to be denied those people. Not at all. And I can tell you exactly from this experience. Once upon a time Yeah. So we put we put the things into context because it's just a story to describe what you're speaking about. It's, this in this case here, has been up and down, what they say broke, in with the flow of the flow of well-beingness. And, and and I remember once having everything and said, now let me go of every I remember hearing Lester saying the following, you have to let go of everything. And I was in Phoenix, in in Sedona at that time in a hotel Okay. Doing the meeting. I remember I couldn't wait to get into the plane, go to New York, open my apartment, invite all my friends, and said, welcome. Your take everything. And I just wrote a check-in my checkbook every single money that I had in the bank account because he would say, don't make freedom dependent upon anything upon anything, not even upon your bank account. And I just went for it. Everything was done. I was clean out, nothing else. And there I was in an empty apartment saying,

okay, here we are. What is freedom? And And in that moment, which I didn't understand, and I'm glad now I know the value because I can use it as an example, is that I started to investigate what was lack. I was not investigating what was fullness. And that's what we are. We're investigating what is lack. That's right. We have the word I can't. And Lester used to say freedom is going from I can't to I can. Mhmm. And when I say to you this this experience that happened years later when I heard again Lester said you have to let go of the attachment to everything. I said, oh, I didn't hear the word attachment. I thought I still have to let go of everything. And it's beautiful to see that there was no regrets whatsoever. Even if I did go through a moment that I have to ask to a friend for a car so I couldn't sleep that evening. Can I use your car so I can sleep? See, I really put myself in the in the position of having nothing. Okay. Alright. And being have health problems and everything. Okay. And then I understood. I remember going back once to Sedona, and, Lester opening the door for me. As I walk in, I said, what are you working on? And I said, I'm investigating luck. And he didn't say the word, but it was not necessary. When I sat down in the table, I all of a sudden, I heard what I said, and I said, enough of this investigation. I allow the sensation of lack to be what is only a sensation, and let's investigate the fullness in what in where that lack seems to appear. Okay. Great. We've certainly given us all, good things to think about. Thank you very much for being here today. Please come back soon. I think someone else is waiting to ask a question. I think I'll just, step aside here. Thank you very much, Laura. Oh, thank you, Chuck. I hope I I answered your question. It was very good. Thank you. That's fascinating to listen to, actually. That's that's quite a turnaround, isn't it, from focusing even investigating lack is focusing on it. Yes. You you see? Because it doesn't exist, Lisa. It's only perception. Yeah. I've been reading, Lester's book in the power of love, and he seems to repeat himself again over and over again about love, and I really understand that. And then he talks about his I believe it's his release technique. Yes. Is that a specific technique? Or is Let's put it this way because you're talking a technique. A technique is a is a way it's a word. Remember, everything has to be marketed to the mind. Right. And the mind love techniques. Loves it. You see, with nothing that's the world. That's the mind. You see that the mind and the world, they are hand in hand. It sounded to the listeners, to the people that were approaching him because that was an interesting phenomena. The people that were approaching Lester were not really interested in being enlightened or anything like that, or they were interested in being successful, happy, having the perfect relationship. You know? The as he was said he would say, you are still looking for happiness, what is not. You see? But it's a very good first step to master the world. So he offered this sort of technique how to undo the the the the the feelings and and thought mechanism that stop you or or feel it was, stopping you from experiencing what you would like to experience. So what happened in my experience directly being eighteen years, nineteen almost nineteen years until he passed away with the same group of beings, who were very few, how we were all there. We all have conquered the world, so to speak. We were accomplished everything we wanted to and more. And now finally, we were ready to say, okay. I think we'll just put it now. You're ready to listen to the truth. Which is the first step was to call to to to to master the dream. Now the second step is to liberate yourself from the dream. See? So this technique is is not a technique. It's only what is the dynamics that I'm inviting you to see. And the the principle of the dynamic is that every single feeling or thought is generated by wanting. Desire. So it is very helpful for some of us at the beginning, and as I said also to

Anne, that when you have a thought, to take it to the source. And and and this source is always wanting. Now this wanting what has different intensities, so to speak. For some of us, one thing is enough. We don't need to go through the the the intensity, but the the one thing feels like a pushy. You know? It's like controlling. You want to push. You want to make sure that it goes faster. You want to make sure that they understand. You say you you you're pushing, and we feel that kind of an a impatientness. So that is, the wanting to control, wanting things to go in a specific way. So we have a thought, and you will say, what is that? Oh my god. Yeah. I wanted to control. Okay. And sometimes you you laugh right away just because you see it. You see it because but but that sister is you. The seer is you. That's right. The natural love come up. And sometimes you're just seeing it, oh, you're really seeing the dynamic of it. And, of course, it the thought collapses and the mind goes quiet. And in that moment, you're experiencing what you are. But immediately the mind comes with something else. It work because we're more interested in mind. Because the mind immediately that's why it's very easy. The moment you decide to be free, it's very easy to eat because the mind keeps giving you all the stuff until it becomes, so to speak, kind of empty or interesting for you. So the first layer that is controlled, this the the second intensity is wanting recognition, wanting to be considered, wanting to be, recognized, to be appreciated, in in in other words, to to get approval. And not only from others, but your own approval. You find yourself that you're doing things because you want your own approval or doing things because you want their See, that is the second energy to the wanting, ever wanting. You see, wanting my approval and their approval. And that's a little more, intense, so to speak, because wanting approval were really actually for the first time experiencing the sense of lack. Because when when we are when we are wanting your own approval, you're really experiencing that what you really is wanting because you actually want your own approval. You you actually want to get the love that you are. The thing is that you were approval is when we're looking for love outside of our ourselves through others. So you see, the one thing is always pushing you towards the world, wanting to control the world, wanting approval from the world. Then the the the the also kind of wanting is wanting security. In that moment, we feel insecure about something. Like, for instance, you need to ask something from someone, and that's one of those moment that you really feel insecure. And your mind justify will be okay. He's your friend. He will say yes. Or who knows? Maybe you see? The mind comes you can see how the mind immediately comes with a lot of so when you noted that all that agitation is coming from wanting security. Oh, so what happened is it's not a technique. It's just that he calls the need that to express to the world, but when you see it directly from what you are, those are the dynamics of thinking. That is the loop, thought, feeling that keep the imaginary idea of being separate. So if you bring if you feel like to bring the thoughts, oh, to to oh, I must be wanting. That is enough. But if you feel oh oh, yeah. If you resonate with control, approval, or security, use it. See? Because they're all tools, and tools are good to be at your disposal if they are necessary. But they be sometimes we we need all different tools. And, again, of course, the tools are there, but then you may not need them any longer. But here, what we're doing, sometimes we use those tools, but, also, we are being because being that which sees the mind. Therefore, you see the thought, which that sees the sensations. And and in that seeing, you are opening to that in which arises because the a good a good question will be if that feeling, let's say, you're if that sensation wouldn't be there, what is actually there? You see? If thinking wouldn't be there, what is actually there? His feelings wouldn't be there. What is actually there? That sounds like a good question. You see? You resonated with that. That is a tool. You see? Let's see. And that is a very good tool.

When something said, okay, that wouldn't be there. What is actually here? That's very powerful. Because you see, now you don't need to get into you you you are step four. You see what I mean? Yes. It's even simpler. But and that is the basic principle of what is called technique in that book that you read. I have a question. I started reading, The Keys to the Ultimate Freedom recently and last night I was on section three, spiritual growth and it is a list of aphorisms and it says it suggested that the below aphorisms be absorbed one at a time. Try to understand one before going on to the next. But, two that gave me pause to be sure I was understanding was, being read, from the perspective of knowing being as one. And so they were in our desire to attain liberation or realization, we are helped to the degree that we help all others. And then the next one is grow to the point where your whole attention is off you and on others. So just go one by one. Read the first one again. Your your help to the degree. Yes? Yeah. In our desire to attain liberation or realization, we are helped to the degree that we help all others. I have the the sweetness experience to be with Lester for nineteen years until he passed away. And, and it wasn't the last, let's say, ten years or eight years that he said, now we can really talk from the top. Because often till then, he we were not ready to hear that. So he was giving you guidelines like this one. If you are interested in deliberation, you will be helped to the degree that you help others. Now let me give you an idea about this help others. This help others is when you see them for what they truly are, when you when you grant their consciousness, when you grant their beingness. You see? I hope. The the mind thing that is help, that you have to do something physically to help. Yes. That will that may appear in some of us in our lives, you know, that we dedicate our lives to help. There's nothing wrong with that. That is it's it's compelled within you, but here to help the others is to truly see them for what they are. Also, you're helping others. You're to the degree that you wanted your own freedom to that degree by helping others is you're not disapproving of of others. You are not judging the others. Mhmm. So you are not you are not practicing disapproval. You are not practicing separation. You see? You are not practicing unlovingness. So you see that to the degree that you are not any longer doing that, to that degree you'll be helped to fulfill the desire for what you are. So that is what what at the time when he said that, it was giving us a guideline for us that we were in the world very active and dealing with others, all this, and we're just brand new in this in this way of radical way of seeing the world that is that they are not others. Thank you. It's it's because they are not. You have to you have to the moment you don't see them for what they are, they are others. The moment you see them for what they are, they have never been an an other. You see? And and again, our experience is that we see the others the way you see yourself. You can only see them the way you see yourself, isn't it? So the moment you open to the beingness, the consciousness, the oneness that you are, and you're starting to granted in yourself more and more, then anytime that you enter in contact with anyone, whether it's in any activity, in the in when we go shopping at the grocery store, the cashier, or or when or anything, you immediately, by granting them their beingness. In that moment the separation is not any longer present. You see? And that is what a very effective way to experience that is only one single being. So you see, that that is the the depth of what Lester was saying there. I thought that I, you know, understood that and was perceiving as such, but I think there was some residual melting, releasing around that. Yes. Yes. That's that's why we're here. You see? So, yes, as I as I can see that you as as you were hearing, something was getting looser within you. You all say? Yes. Yes. Yes. And lighter. Yes. Yes. Yes. And still is there. You see? And and through the day, it will you will feel some loosening up more and more. More and more. We are helping others the moment we see them for what they are, and we're not being gossipy, or we're not

being judgmental, or we're not being disapproving. You see? And that doesn't mean, by the way, that then within the clarity, you can act very firmly if that is what is required by the by by the situation. Because the moment you start to be more and more what you are, what you are is very intelligent. And it will give you the clarity that is needed. If that is what the the situation is requiring. And and what helps for this experiencing to be experienced is to keep it very simple. That are you acting from wanting, or are you acting from the from spontaneity? And and then if you feel the wanting, oh, okay. Now you know what it is. Only energy. And unravels the moment you, consciousness, recognizes for what it is, it unravels. Because it's not real. What you are is real. So the moment you reality is not interested in it, it unravel. And when gravels actually is the tendency to hold on. So congratulations that you you are in very good company. This book, you can open it anywhere. It's a book actually that I never read. I just started to I all I only opened because one sentence was enough to work like the peak of the day or the peak of the moment. You see? And, and and it would just during the day or during my activity that was the background of this status doing its work. So for the second one then, grow to the point where your whole attention is off you and on others. That is just being the wholeness is what that's saying. Exactly. Being ourself. Yes. Thank you. Yes. And the beauty for some of us that are hearing that, right, it's not like an imposition. And you could say, you know what? I don't feel like to do that. Wonderful. Is that what is arising? Look at it. Are you that? Or are you that? We just aware of it, you see? Because that is the thing, it's not a right or wrong. We have to be very honest because what we only what is only consciousness is honest. What we imagine to be is not honest because it's not real. It's a lie. And as a lie, it's always dishonest. So it's very it's very good. I don't and then in your case, it was a natural openness to do that, to feel like that. But if some of us said, I don't feel to do that. Good. Just notice that reaction, and it's for you to hold on to that or not. You see? Many things that you may read from Lester, most of it will if you read it, it will generate a reaction on you. So what I will recommend is, oh, to allow the reaction to be what is, to get released, and then read it again. Just to see see what happens. Lester was a very he had an art how to generate releasing. How to generate the relaxation of the mastering of holding on for their life. You see? Because that's what we do. We hold on to what is not real for dear life. We hold on to the idea of being someone for dear life. We think that the the whole your whole life would collapse around if you are not any longer if you stop being the way that you have been being up until now, so to speak. And it does. And by the way, what collapses is the point of view. And what you are is ever the same. So point of view, like, opinions and mental things as opposed to perspective? Yes. Interpretations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And that's why you will find out and and that's what's the main it starts the night when we start to find out that the mind tells you this is like this, this is like that, and then you find out that it couldn't be further from the truth. And that's what is wonderful when you start to see that the mind is 99 comma 9% wrong. It's very yes. It it gives me it gives me it gives you confident not to have not to go along with the mind. You know? For some of us, like you said, well, I don't know. You know? That is still going along with my mind. When you start to realize that, wow, it couldn't be so op in the contrary, it's the opposite. Quite. Yes. Yes.

Yes. So some of us have had that experience. Yes. After thinking I knew a lot of things for quite some time. Yeah. Except we all we all have been in the same boat. We're actually we're in the same boat. Yeah. Excerpts from the book. Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson. Realization. A better way. Most knowledge is intellectual. It is acquired from reading books and from traditional cognitive forms of education. Most of us have a lot of this intellectual knowledge and yet we're still not realized. Must follow then that to achieve realization, we need a different kind of knowledge, a knowledge that can be experienced, felt, and integrated. We can call this knowledge experiential. Experiential knowledge is the only useful kind for growth. For through it, we can finally realize our inner side. This kind of knowledge also fits with our feelings. It feels right and integrates with our whole beingness. Through spiritual knowledge, we know. And even more importantly, we know that we know. Realization is seeing something, really seeing it for the first time. Realization is like an electric light bulb turning on in the mind and it allows you to say, oh, now I see. It allows to hear something that we might have heard a hundred times before, but this time, upon hearing it and seeing it, we experience it as real. This is realization. This experiential knowledge is the only knowledge that does us any good. But this does not mean we do not use the mind. We do. The difference is that rather than using the mind to make up the answers, we direct the mind towards the place where the answer is. And when we do, we discover that the answer does not come from the mind. It comes from a place behind and beyond the mind. It comes from the realm of knowingness, the realm of omniscience. By quieting the mind, through stealing our thoughts, each of us has access to it, to this realm of knowingness. Then and there, we realize. We know, and we know that we know. Excerpts from the book, Keys to the Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levinson. The world as a dream. The world as you now see it is really a product of your imagination. And when you see the truth, the world turns out to be a dream, a fiction created in your mind. First, you will see it as a dream, then you will see it as a dream that never really was. In fact, you will experience it exactly as you do in night dream. While you are in the night dream, you have a body. There are other bodies There is action, interaction. There is good and there is bad. And so long as you remain in that night dream, everything there seems real to you. But when you awaken from the night dream, you say, my gosh. It was just a dream. It never really happened. It was all a dream. This is exactly the same manner in which you will awaken from this dream called the waking state. You will come to see that it was only a creation of your imagination, only a dream. And then you will let go of it, lock, stock, and barrel. And what you will be left with is the infinite you, then you will call yourself fully realized, totally free. Actually, we're fully realized all the time. That is the part of the irony. We're fully realized beings saying that we are not. So all we have to do is let go of we are not. And what's left over is the fully realized and free being that you are. He was giving you guidelines like this one. If you are interested in liberation, you will be helped to the degree that you help others. This help others is when you see them for what they truly are, when you grant their consciousness, when you grant their beingness. The mind thinks there is help that you have to do something physically to help. Yes. That may appear in some of us in our lives that we dedicate our lives to help. But here to help others is to truly see them for what they are. Also, to the degree that you wanted your own freedom, to that degree by helping others is you're not disapproving of others. You are not judging others. Mhmm. So you are not practicing disapproval. You're not practicing separation. You are not practicing unlovingness. Laura, it's Stacy. Can I Yes, Stacy? I have it wasn't even a pivot. I have just expanded and opened up so much since the retreat two weeks ago. And on Friday, I had the big epiphany of, like, I don't think I wanna live here anymore. And, I'm I'm renting two rooms in this beautiful home with two other people who are great, but it's also the discomfort of, feeling like that sense of being boxed in and ready to to take off and to bloom. And do you have any my intention also is to leave here with love, you know, to

leave love here to go to the next place. So I don't have to the old pattern was to leave with discomfort or not on good terms, but just to I'm only responsible for my part. I can't, you know, be responsible for theirs. But to put out to the universe, you know, the dream home, what I'm looking for, the next best place, and just the the beingness. But do you have any suggestions besides putting out, you know, the the list, the dream home to the universe of how that will look? Yes. Yes. First of all, you touch two two things. One is that, open to a new living space, and the second is that we have the tendency that in order to move on, we need behind we create an excuse how to have the the the courage to say, I am leaving. I'm out of here. You see? Yeah. That is, the the the behavior of ignorance. When when we feel when we feel we need to to to recur to anger in order to to to take action. Because, yes, when we when one usually, when you you're in apathy, grief, fear, anger is a is a high. You see? But in this case, you see you are you are experiencing the peace, the fullness, the completeness of what you are, and it's this completeness that is inviting you to have your own place. You see? And and that is you see, that is natural. Notice notice that that is natural. Maybe it took you by surprise, actually, to experience that. You know? Or maybe it was there, but somehow, no. No. Not yet. You had a a a you have a you were being accommodating it, perhaps how to postpone it or perhaps not. All that disappeared, collapsed naturally. So two things. Yes. I will I will you don't need to, but, if you like to to write that action, that option or that intention in a piece of paper, which is I allow myself to have the perfect perfect new place under the perfect circumstances. You see? In other words, the perfect prize, the perfect place is perfect. You see? Now, the mind doesn't know perfection, but what you are is perfection. So when when we are set allow it to be perfect, you're allowing perfection to shine. So for instance, Stacy, let's do it right here, right now. So you then you are in your own. Okay? So the intention is, you can set in your own allowing yourself to have the perfect new living space. Right? Yes. Yes. Or whatever the perfect place or the perfect home or the perfect house, whatever you want to. So with us so what do you feel is in the way for that to be sold right now? Finances. Very good. So welcome that sense of finances. Right? So check and see how that finances arises in the shape of images and also in the shape of reactions. Tightness in my chest for sure. Very good. So notice that. And now that that is arising, I will invite you to notice the choice, which is to stay narrow narrow your attention into that or to simply liberate the attention into that which is allowing for sensations and images and sounds to arise, yet uninvolved. Because the involvement is just like, do I live by myself? Can I afford to live by myself? Can I rent a room again? Yes. All of that is the sounds. Yeah. So, yes, notice that you're that which is aware is hearing it is not that is not denying it, is not avoiding it. But the the difference thing is that you're letting it be what they actually are, only sounds. And I will ask you, can you welcome the sense of wanting to believe it? Who's? Almost like suffocating. So just breathing back into the chest as well as the throat. Yeah. Welcome welcome yeah. All those sensations. All these are the unconscious sensations that we are that are designing our experience. So welcome all those unconscious sensations. And the moment you're making them conscious, you see you are liberating them. You are not any longer suppressing them. So naturally, unraveling, dissipating, and the unlimited openness that is here. That whatever it is, again, naturally aware yet uninvolved. So the un uninvolved, like, a surrendering kind of thing. Right? Or Well, this the thing is that what what is uninvolved is allowing the surrendering to happen by itself. What you're

surrendering is what you used to think it was true. Because it's crazy. I feel like my lower belly, my chest is opening, but my head's like, but wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I need my bathing suit first before I jump into the Right. To the pool of the unknown. And so just, like, even laughing about it's, like, stuck energy, but it's opening, and then I'm feeling tingles, like, of excitement, of even like, I my my favorite words are, like, magic and miracles. Like, letting the magic and miracles. Yes. Yes. But but what is is that what we call magical is because when when we let be what is, what is is timeless. It's a spaceless. Everything is possible. Mhmm. You see? That's what we call magic. Mhmm. So yes. So just allow yourself to be as you are, that openness that is already timeless, spaceless, free. That is the address of god. You have unlimited freedom of thinking whatever it is that you like to think because that's that is what is natural. Or whatever you are thinking, voila. Yes. It doesn't happen that way because we have unconscious thinking that says, no. Well, remember this, you have a debt to pay, you haven't paid for that tab, you know, all that kind of, remember you're not so good, first you need to be loved by your daddy, your mother. I mean, we have all these stories that make us drunk. Mhmm. So, yes, Stacy, at your own freedom, again, allow yourself to to think what is that you want, the perfect living space. And notice that just by hearing that, it triggers releasing Mhmm. Naturally. And what is and it's not a mystery. What is releasing is the energy that used to maintain all the nose. And, like, a relief of those old patterns or, like, you had mentioned the beginning too of having to leave because of anger or, well, quote, unquote, protection, leaving on, you know, bad terms and or heart, you know, heartaches or whatever. So the Beautiful. What needing to do that. You see, welcome that said that was needed to do that. Because what happened is from the point we are from the point of view of ignorance, we always need an excuse. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The excuse or the reason. It could just be that the time has come and He said, I love you guys so much, but, you know, somehow life is inviting me to different different fields and different ways. That was my next question is how, and that's perfect. That was just the loving everybody where they're at as well as myself. Yes. Who knows? You might be the perfect example for them. I had a little bit of a guttural, like, I was like, ugh. But it's true. You see? Mhmm. So notice all of that that is arising. You see? Mhmm. All of those, little bubbles that we don't need to walk on them. We're walking on this that case discomfort. You see? Walking on all these pebbles. And it's wild because even as it's releasing and just, observing the past and even when I moved out at 18 or whatever, it's just all of that. Again, it's just the train of thoughts and train and are the patterns and beliefs are just, like, leaving. Just the relief. Yeah. Collapsing. Collapsing. Simply because in this moment, you're honoring more what you are. Oh. The moment we were we all know what is real, what is true, that which is not true and is not real naturally collapses. Now I feel excitement. Yes. So that is so welcome that as well because excitement is the highest energy of the sense of limitation. Oh. Exciting about you see excitement is excitement about the future, excitement about so many things. So welcome. There is still agitation. You see? Wow. So that doesn't mean that you're denying yourself of that moment, but welcome that as well. That is still a limitation. And simply notice that which is a way of the excitement. Simply present and changing, ever available, yet unemposing and evolve. And as I was witnessing that excitement, it felt like it was almost like getting out of my body. And then when you were talking about just the awareness, it almost like I came back in my body to a degree, but just it was more, I guess, the expansion of it, the awareness of it. I don't know how to say that right.

Yeah. No. You're right. Yes. Yes. The awareness. You see? And you are aware of all of that now. All of that that you mentioned, we're not denying it, but you seem to notice that you're naturally aware of it. What I've noticed too even in this moment, but at the retreat is, like, of me, always taking care of things and people and animals and Yes. Welcome that. Because that nothing changes. What changes, Stacy, is the sense of duty, the sense I have to, the sense I must, the sense I should, the sense of obligation. Instead of doing it out of enthusiasm, spontaneity, love. What is the difference? You see, it's same action. It's only that one is a free action, and the other one is not free. So liberating. And just when you say things or I have those little moments at the retreat or even, listening to your meditation or, from last week, this week, it's almost like I could feel, like, in my my gut gut or my belly, my second chakra just it's like things bubbling up for the relief where it's it makes me emotional because it's dissolving or it's so freeing where I know that there was, like, years I didn't cry. I mean, just the safety or the the freedom to be able to do that Yes. And not judge myself for it. Yes. Beautiful. Mhmm. That's why we're here. You see, as a group, it's helping each other, supporting each other. We are this beautiful unlimited being, and we're simply releasing, liberating ourselves of this imagined limitations that has been designing our experience. Mhmm. Yeah. And definitely letting go of the judgment off of myself around the emotions or the judgment of what I would perceive that people would or my fear of people judging me for being emotional or I cry too much or whatever and just Whatever. But welcome welcome, Stacy. Wanting to control how you're being perceived. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. Welcome that. Wanting to control that. Wanting to make sure that they are you're being perceived in the right way. You see? Notice how it is what what is wanting safety. Yeah. So welcome that sense of needing safety. So it's almost like the as it's releasing, it's in my mind, it's almost like if I feel safe controlling it, so then I can be free of it, but it's just the individualized. Yes. Exactly. You saw it. Yeah. That isn't it. You are you are not that. You used to believe you were those sounds, those sensations. You see? Now now what you are is not which is aware of it. Perfectly aware. Perfectly unchanging. Mhmm. Well, it's almost like a hot flash, and there's, like, the movement of it, and then it just the releasing in my throat. That was a long that was a big one. That was a doozy. Yes. Because when we're releasing, after releasing, we are releasing all the memories that we have created in the throat or in the in the chest. Usually, that's why we are afraid to voice what we really think. Mhmm. We have all those filters in the throat, but the beauty about the throat somehow differently from the sensation at the chest area is that the sensations in the throat, once they are released, they are gone. You don't feel that area any longer. I can't even feel it releasing in my neck all the way back there. Yes. Oof. Yes. You see? The releasing is happening at the cellular level. Mhmm. Because because what is releasing is not the body mind called Stacy. Mhmm. Releasing releasing is happening in the freedom of what you are, Whatever that is, that is conscious and is conscious of the ability of awareness. Wow. It's like the releasing. It's the mind blown. It's just done. Wild. Oh my goodness. Thank you. Yes, Stacy. Let Lester used to say laugh all the way to freedom. Yes. Laugh instead of cry, not judging, just laughing. Laughing cry. When laughing cry is okay. You see? It's, it's it's it's happening. You see? Yes. But you see what what we're letting go about hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of thought.

Hundreds and hundreds of thousands. Only that what you are unlimitedness is able to experience that. And, again, it's not the body's releasing. The reason that you're feeling those sensations leaving the body is because you see? But you are is liberating all of that. And it's like I wanna dance, move my hips. Yeah. The body couldn't release itself from that. It couldn't. Otherwise, it would have done it already. I'm ready. That's the whole thing I've And is ready I am ready, is that a judgment, or is that just awareness? No. Yes. You are ready. That's a judge. It's being voiced. I am ready. But the beauty is I am ready. Okay. What am I? What am I? That which is ready or that which is aware of it? I am that I am. Oh, goodness. Wow. Just had a hot flash. Like, I'm just sweating over here. Like, whoo. Yeah. It's all that liberating of energy. Yes. You see? Because that's the beauty of releasing. It's immediate. It's immediate. That's right when you see it. You don't know how it's it's happened. You only notice that things are different. You're experiencing about things are different, but it's so natural because what we are is natural. What is natural is what we call discomfort and pleasantness, effort. Effort. That is the reason it feels the way it feels is because it's natural. Thank you. Thank you. Supporting you all the way, Tracy. Oh, I appreciate it. Whatever it is that you are like that you are like to enjoy. Thank you. Happy to be here with you. I welcome everyone. Sweet of you to be here. May I ask a quick question, please? Of course. Here we are. Let's have doesn't need to be quick. Thank you for the meditation. It was very sweet. I feel like for me, and you touched on wanting to be a person as well in today's meditation. I feel like for me when the physical discomfort or some kind of a health issue comes up. I quickly fall into wanting to be a person, and all of these thoughts come up about what's gonna happen with the body. And I quickly lose awareness of me being awareness and kinda fall into being a person. Well, not really. You're describing how it happens. And you said at the beginning, you quickly want to become a person. So just notice that you are more aware than you think. You see? Can you notice that, when something is coming in your body, you say, uh-oh, I'm going to be a person now. So but but keep going. It's just to see to invite you to see that you are very aware when this when the decision making of being a person arises because it is about a decision, Amish. It's it's always about a decision. That is a way to use our infinite power. We're using our infinite power in the shape of a decision. And in that moment, and when you decide, only when health issues come, I it's gonna choose to go and be a person. Notice how you're making that decision. Can you look into it and see it? How it happens? Yeah. I I I and and you touched on this point as well in the meditation today that every time you let go, you you you you let God do her job. They charge. Yes. And and I feel like I'm able to see that as well. I I I see pain arising, and I notice I'm trying to be a person again, but I try to let go. And every time I let go, it seems like, you know, a bit of that pain dissolves. It's kind of a game between awareness and the pain rising. When it becomes too much, I I seem to I seem to then collapse into it. Yeah. No. But look what you're saying. It's awareness and the pain. Right? And you did this you showed this to me, didn't you? Okay.

So this is awareness and this is the pain. What is the person? If this is awareness and this is the pain, where is the person? I think it's created in the moment and the pain is identified with the person. So so what you're saying is the moment you identify with pain, the idea of a person arises? I think so. Yes. It's just to see because what is the person? Not knowing that the idea of a person arises only when you identify. So when you identify with the pain, you're choosing in that moment to identify with unconsciousness. Because being a person is only a sense of identification is is not conscious. Right? So the pain is unconsciousness. Right? What you are awareness is conscious. So the moment you identify with unconsciousness, you are playing the idea of being a person. I'm glad you came up with this example. This is the word this is the pain. You see? To see to find out how the idea of a person arises. So now we know that arises due to identifying with that which is being perceived. Right? In this case, a sensation of pain. Now the sensation of pain, what makes it more painful is when you are when you add psychological pain to it, and you are adding psychological pain to it when you identify with it. Because you wouldn't identify with the pain. We're not saying that the pain disappears, but what is what disappears, the anguish, the psychological part of it disappears. Because sometimes the pain is more like it's a stronger because it's psychological. Because when you allow the pain to be only a perception, appear in the shape of sensation of a pain, somehow the the pain is not any longer in in the in the front. What keeps the pain in front or in the center of your interest, of your attention is identifying with it. But in order for you to have the pain or to be free from the pain, you don't need to identify with it. It's not necessary. And I see how that pain also brings a lot of thoughts, like you said, kind of reinforcing the person and me grabbing onto those thoughts as well, right, that this pain will never go or the bad things will happen. Exactly. Because when you're identifying with this with a sensation. Because if you wouldn't identify with that sensation, if those thoughts come, let them be what they are. Because if you don't identify with that this the sensation pain, you will not identify with the thoughts either. And you let the thoughts be what they are, like waves appearing on you, a movement appearing on you. It moves because it's appearing in the stillness of your being. So if it moves, it's not it's not you. If it moves, will arise and collapse, will come and go. And and that invites you to be more aware of what you are, the canvas that is allowing for this ever changing landscaping that we call the inner the withinness. So you see, there is not a problem. Harmish, it's not. It has been like that so far. So open to this new way of standing, standing as that what you are, that to which this the the sensation of pain arises. And see all those thoughts as the story of the sensation of pain because the sensation comes up with all that story, you see? So allow yourself not to be fascinated by playing in the story of it. And if you like to be fascinated, then you have made a decision to be so. So notice that you're always in charge. Well, you are consciousness is always in charge. Charge to be perturbed in charge in in in the in the choice to be unperturbed. When you are unperturbed, the sensations come and go. The thoughts come and go, and the mind gets quiet. I also feel like sometimes I'm not truly honest, meaning I try to not identify with it, but I have this hidden agenda that it will go away. And then I come back and keep checking it again and again. So it's like Yes. Intervals of That's very good. That's what the mind does. The mind want to make sure that the object is still there. Oh, wait a minute. It's still oh, yes. It is there. The mind always goes and look for objects. Always. That's right. You know, we hear about, I haven't had a cold yet. You know, in the winter, we're always looking for those objects. You see? So that is the tendency of the mind because the mind is is always seeking. It's always looking for objects. So that's why when we identify with the mind, we would be seeking for peace and truth forever. But the mind is a seeker. It's not a finder. I mean, it's a finder of objects, doesn't know how to find that in which appears. Peace.

Consciousness. So all of that that you're saying, you're describing the the doings of mind. The mind is always in movement, seeking. And I think I'm somehow just really be interested in the stillness. It's because we we we are so fascinated by the movement that we think that the stillness is dull, boring. So it's okay, but at least you're conscious. Be conscious that you are more interested in the movement. Because the moment you will be interested in that to which the movement appears, that which allows for the movement to be a movement because it's so naturally peaceful, naturally still, then your experience will be different. So right now, what is happening? I'm not in pain right now, which is which is great, but I think it's a good time to do the introspection. Right? Because when it arises, I seem to lack clarity. So it's So, Anish, so right here, right now is when you talk the pain is not here right now. So so when you first spoke about the pain, it was not there either, was it? It wasn't. It was from memory. It was just from mental notes. Yes. Very good. Just notice that. Because the reason that you brought it in is because since you're holding it on mind, it's because you're planning it to experience it again. I see that here. So what I would invite you, Amish, Amish, is to welcome the memory and the stillness of what you are. And notice for everyone that may might be here for the first time what a memory is, a set of pictures, a set of sensations, a set of sounds, and also have the sense of feeling personal, have the sense of being a you and me, and mine belongs to me. So welcome all of that. Welcome wanting to own it, wanting to use it to identify with it, wanting to hold on to it, wanting to reinforce it. In other words, welcome the sense of wanting to play with it by doing or not doing anything with it or about it. And to see and notice what you are, that which is welcoming this memory. Yet is unperturbed, is conscious of the memory, but yet is not dependent upon the memory. I will do this one one towards sometimes three times is enough or maybe once is enough Because open to the possibility that when you're letting go of this memory, you're letting go of a seeming problem that seems to appear again and again. That's how problems maintain themselves. Health problems, financial problems, relationship problems. Social problems, appearing in that which is free already, free from any problem. So, yes, that's very good that you're recognizing there is a memory in that you're gonna welcome the memory. You're consciously welcoming. You see that the content of mind, that content that you're not any longer interested in holding on to. Interested in living through again and again. Thank you, Laura. You're welcome. So are my thoughts creating the feelings? Or vice versa. The the feelings are generated. Yeah. It goes goes both ways. Okay. I will feel that it goes both ways. But also it could be that the unconscious feelings generates the thinking. You see? Because we don't need to think in order to experience life fully and completely and to function effectively. We don't need to think. You see? So then how do we create? You you are right now creating effortlessly because the mind is the only creative tool in the universe, and I'm using the words of Lester exactly as the words he used to use. It's the only creative tool of the universe. Is the mind. Is the mind. So the mind is like an oven, so to speak. It will bake whatever you put in it. The reason that is we said, wait a minute. This I like or this I don't like. Yes. Because we have unconscious, unconscious thought. But most of the experiencing is designed by unconscious thoughts. Those thoughts that we chose not to see because we don't want to see them. But, nevertheless, they are still operating without us paying needing to pay attention to it. We thought it was fun to put them in automatic. It's like a right now, oh, it's so much fun, the Internet. Oh my gosh. So same thing. We were we thought it was fun putting all those activities, in automatic. The activities like the circulation of the blood, the the replacing of the cells, digestion. All of that, we used to be very aware of, and we put it in automatic. In the other hand, we did notations like, oh, men with white hair, they are nice, they are kind. People that that that don't smile, they are not good. I mean, all these kind of concept that we got along the way, we're shopping.

You know, we were shopping for all these concepts. We thought it was fun. Now the reason that somehow it seems so difficult to let them go, as we said, is because we choose not to see them, and also because they give us the idea that they're keeping us safe. Like letting us know, don't go there. It's not a good thing to do. I will think about twice. But it's always about a no. It's also about a danger that if you are too daring, you could lose something. You see? Yes. You will lose fear. You see? Well, that's what you create. Is be very clear what is that you would like to experience. So we can say that what you like to experience will be a yes. Right? So what happened when you say a yes consciously? A conscious yes? The unconscious no arises. Oh. Beware of the unconscious no. So what happened is that people usually get deflated. Yes. I wanted that, but, you know, I mean, it's too difficult. It's too hard. It's too late. It's too much. Maybe for others, but not for me. All of that starts to arise. Mhmm. You see? And it may sound like, oh my god. So much to do. No. No. No. You see, the moment you don't make them personal, the moment that you're really clear that what you want is that yes. You see? You're not any longer interested in making whatever is arising about you or what you are. Like I said, it's too late, too early. They are just sounds. Sound that up until now, you never challenged them. Mhmm. But this time, you're not even challenging them. And this time, you chose not to be interested. So what happens? They collapse because they are not real. The moment you unlimited effortless attention is not interested in them, they collapse. Okay. So just so I get this. So whatever I get whatever I focus on, like you said, get clear on the I'll say the intention, right, of something I want. So I'm creating a course, and I'm doing this video too. As soon as I create, you know, I'm gonna do this video, the unconscious knows will come up. Oh, it's not time to do that. Oh, wait and see. Oh, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Right. Okay. And then when you say I'm not interested, it's kind of like, okay. That's automatic. That's coming up, and I don't have to pay attention to it. I'm still going to do the video. Is that what you mean? Yes. But in other words, you are not like a get out of here. No. No. They come, and if you don't give attention Mhmm. They collapse because they are not real. And the reason that they are repetitive is because they need continuously attention in order to maintain itself. Unbelievable. Yep. Continuous in attention to maintain. Because as you may have noticed, when in when you have fresh new thoughts, new idea, when an instinct about something, oh, I got it. I know what to do. Those those thoughts only comes once. They're not repetitive. Oh, this is so good. Yes. They're not repetitive. That insight is immediate. It comes up from infinite being. Is that where? Intelligence itself. Intelligence. Okay. What you are is intelligence. Pure intelligence. So in order for these these the inner critic or this busy mind to The chatter. The chatter to maintain, it's because, it needs attention. It needs validation. It's validation. When you get validation by effortlessly giving attention because you are so powerful. It's effortless power in the in the shape of attention. Because mind is about movement, ever changing. It's repetitive, but it's ever ever changing. Yeah. And everything is moving. Right? Like, all of creation is constant.

Because all because it's all mind. Okay. Mhmm. You only see, hear, and sense in the mind. So you see is and to to to really be very clear what is that you truly want. Write it down. Get a therapist because that way you're letting know the mind is a conscious decision. So that the unconscious decisions that the unconscious stop writing the script. Because the problem with the unconscious is that we have concept that says yes, concept that says no, so they neutralize. Say that again. I'm sorry. Concept that that says yes and no and They neutralize. And then we have concept that are doubt. What if it's not? I don't know. It's risky. Like, I don't know. I can't you see? We have concept about suspicions. You see? All the concepts are more or less about fear because all of them are are limitations. So the emotional charge of any concept or any feeling is more or less fear. And so for me to become well, there's a part of me that is fearless already. Right? If I'm an infinite being. Yes. I'm already there. Okay. You're already that. You're already that. It's the thoughts to the contrary that up until now, you used to go along with. You used to believe it. You never challenged them. And and you see, the main the main lie is that there is someone somewhere That is a you that is separate. So in order to maintain that lie, you have to have many, many lies. But it's that's why they are all the thoughts and feelings are lies. We're talking about not pragmatic thinking, you know, about technicality, engineering, chemistry. All of that are, like, applications. The good applications engineer. The good application that is a lawyer. The good application that is a therapist. You see you have Yeah. You have techniques. Yes. The good application for driving, for dressing, for swimming. Mhmm. So you see the mind is like a the the the perfect computer, so to speak. That's what the computer is modeled after. Mhmm. When you start to see it from what you are, you will see how simple it is. Because what you are is so intelligent, but we need to honor what we are. You are honoring what we are when at least anytime you feel invited, you take a minute to notice the silence. Notice the immediacy of the silence. Yes. And I can see that you're very honest. Yeah. Because you see, you can I'm honest because I see that you can only give what you give to yourself. So it's this giving is within you that is inviting you to discover more and more what you are. Mhmm. And then awareness is just what is now. Yeah. Awareness is that which is alive. That which hears, that which sees, that which is a way of seeing, a way of hearing, a way of sensing. Is aware, is alert, is an alertness, effortless alertness. You see? We don't know what we are, but we know the characteristics of it. Some of not all of them, but some of them, quite a bit. One of them being that is alive, alert, aware. Mhmm. So the struggle for me personally to wake up is the thought of I'm not there yet. Yeah. But as you said, it's only a thought. Mhmm. So it's up to you to challenge the thought or to believe it? Challenge it or To believe it. Oh, okay. See, when I hear the word challenge, it's like, do I go into inquiry, or do I just allow Challenge is see it for what it truly is. Only sounds. Only sounds. Yeah. And see what happens. Mhmm. So we walk basically like two paths, the human being and also infinite being. Yes? Yes. Yes. Simultaneously. Mhmm. I mean, what we are doesn't belong to this dimension. This dimension appears in the dimensionlessness of what we are.

But more and more what we are, we allow it to be, then it shines through in our experiencing. Okay. So could I set an intention for me to be more awake, to be more To be more and more where you are. In less and less what you think you are. You see? Less and less what you think Yes. You are. Less and less what you feel you are. Mhmm. And that way naturally you will feel that natural loosening up in the chest area, naturally. Because when since you are timeless, timelessness has no time for that which is made out of time. So since what is made out of time is only energy, energy that taking the shape of a sound, taking the shape of an image, and the timelessness doesn't need doesn't have the time to take shape, so it it releases itself. The timelessness doesn't have the time to take shape. Oh, that's hard for me to get around. So it releases itself. Because it's perfection. Perfection is perfect. Doesn't need any improvement, and you already are perfection itself. And what you're saying is we're infinite beings. We are love Yeah. What we already are. Yeah. We already are. And I and that becomes obvious when you shift your attention a bit. Instead of directing it only to objects, to direct it to that in which the sounds and images and sensations arises. To direct it to that stillness in which the movement is ever changing, coming and going experiencing. Because the moment you notice at the level of inner landscaping, you will notice that is that is very obvious from moment to moment in the totality of your experience. So you see, it's not about becoming. Mhmm. Yeah. It's about letting it be. Mhmm. Already what is. But I think well, this is a comparison. I think your idea of silence and mine, I don't know if it's the same thing. Well, there is such a thing as physical silence. The silence is that without which you couldn't hear the inner sounds in the mind, the inner voices in the mind. And you can do that, not hear the inner voices in the mind? Oh, you hear them, but I'm more interested in the silence. Yeah. It's kinda flipped. Is that what I'm hearing? Yes. Your your your attention is now more open, more including. Before, you were only exclusive towards the thought, the sounds. I call them sounds because I I I I'm not giving them any value. No interest in their message. So, yes, the mind goes naturally quiet. So you don't think because you don't need to think. What is there to think? You're all knowing. Wow. The real knowing is being. In being, there is no time to think. There is nothing to think. The the the thinking come from the relative knowledge. Yeah. This is powerful because it's more of a letting go. There's no adding on. Right? It's more like letting go. You're you're whole complete. Perfect. Just and the contact, you start to get light. All of a sudden, you know, you are as you are walking, you're well, hey. Do I need this weight? No. I I can do without this weight. You get lighter and lighter. Lighter and lighter. Less density. Yes. Not really. It's very dense. It's dense, And it's just about your intention. You you have integrity. You see? You are very honest. Because only what you are can be honest. That would be a lie is dishonest. Mhmm. By nature. So when you're being honest, you're invoking the truth of what you are. In your honesty, okay. I open to be and be more and more, whatever that is that I am. Yes. I love that. And have fun. Alright. Nice. Yes. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Yes. Welcome. And from the bottom of my heart, which is endless, thank you for coming. And just continue allowing to be what you truly

are, which is the self. This invisible, transparent self, yet, is all there is. One can say that it's invisible because Has no color, has no shape. Yet, we experience it as being life itself. So right now, allow yourself to consciously accept the eternal invitation that is right here, right now. The eternal invitation to be and be and be. MB, Yes. Just be. And welcome the totality of your experiencing. Now, since we have some new friends, let's see what is that, whatever it is that it seems that is this ex what we call experiencing, that is arising in this open, invisible, shapeless being that is. So, simply for the moment, you can continue to have your eyes open or closed. It's not it's irrelevant really because these are only body focus. But if that is not your experiencing, then check and see if there is any experience, separation or limitation or border between what you label the inner experiencing and the outer experiencing. In another word, see where this inner experiencing ends that you may call thoughts, feelings, imagination. And the outer experiencing begins what you call the world, the external. Or the other way around where the external ends and the inner experiencing begins. So if you cannot find any physical limitation or border between that what you call the inner and the outer, would you simply notice the wholeness of it? This function of it, which allows for the idea of inner and outer to be sense, to be experienced. So while resting as that to which the idea of it inner and outer appears, At this moment, simply notice that which hears. Notice whatever you might be hearing, whatever, like, the sound of this voice, any other sophisticated sound, Or the inner sounds the body makes. Or the sounds of the surroundings. And also the sounds that you call inner voices or thoughts. And as you do, could you notice the silence? Which is surrounding and interpenetrating the sounds? And, again, notice whatever that is, This openness, which is effortlessly aware of the sounds and the silence. Yet is untouched, unaffected. And while resting the best you can of this undivided or whole sense of silence, That which is effortlessly aware of the physical silence. Could you bring your attention to whatever that is that sees? That which is free in the sense that can see either with the eyes open or with the eyes closed. And could you simply notice whatever you are seeing at this moment? Whether it's a picture of your imagination, or simply The light reflecting in your eyelids, Or any other image. And could you notice the space which is allowing for this seeing And, again, simply notice that which is effortlessly aware of the image or the of the space, yet is untouched and affected either by the space or the images. And as resting, the best you can is this expanded silence that is effortlessly allowing for hearing, seeing? Could you allow it to to to expand. Allow yourself to be generous and allow this spaciousness to expand in all directions and include the experiencing of that that you call the body. And, just for this moment, as you're allowing to experience that that you call the body, just for a second and only the best you can, simply sense it the best again, the best you can, free from memory. That is free from images. Yes. That was good. It was more than a second, but we cheated a little bit. So, yes, again, the best you can in this openness and this expansion. Just try it again for one second. Whatever you're experiencing to be memory free. That's fine. And while resting as the best you can as this openness and allowing yourself to take a little vacation from thinking, taking a little break from thinking that is from reinforcing and inviting again and again the memory sense of things. Simply without focusing while keeping your attention open, notice the sensation of the back of the body. But only the sensation of contact between that what you call the back and whatever is holding it. And, again, let it be the best you can memory free. And notice how the space is effortlessly and naturally surrounding and interpenetrating this that we label sensation. Yes. Notice the tendency how the mind wants to come in complete with an image, whatever you're sensing. It's alright. You don't have to fight it. Just simply notice it. And the best you can, just notice this contact, the sensation of contact. And then could just welcome all other sensations that we might notice. Like, for instance, the clothing against the skin. Or bring your attention to whatever your food is touching. And, again, notice that contact between whatever you call the food and whatever is touching. And, again, could you sense the sensation memory free? Let it be story free, image free. And simply notice the space which is naturally surrounding and allowing for this sensation of contact. And see how this space, although it's aware, is

untouched and affected. It's aware of the sensations, aware of the space. Yes. Oblivious. So let's make a little experiment very softly without effort or free from effort. Very softly move what you call the sensation of contact between the food and whatever is touching. You can move the position of the food to a different point. They are simply noticed that the perception has changed in the sense that it's the same sensation of contact, but it has a different shape, whatever you're experiencing. Now, if you let it be what is memory free, actually, it's irrelevant, whatever you're sensing. And notice in this moment what is more alive. Is more alive the sensation of contact between the food and whatever is touching, or is more alive that which is sensing it? It's for you to see. And, again, you can change the position of the food, not by much, doesn't matter, but just different position. So notice how that sensation changes position, but that where that changes is noticed doesn't change. Something noticed that, that it notices that has a different place, but that which allows for the different places, those sensations, it doesn't change. Yeah. For some of you that are doing the best they can, memory free, the body doesn't feel very objective. But for those who still has a find it difficult to allow it to be to be in this moment, whatever you're experiencing, memory free or story free, the body may feel still very objective, very physical, very present, If that is the case, just for a second, would you stop efforting, wanting to make it physical, wanting to maintain it physical, objective. And allow whatever you are experiencing to be in whatever shape is appearing, and how they are just a bunch of sensations here and there. That makes them feel as if they are together because they are appearing in the because not only because they are appearing because they are sense. By the same thing, whatever that is, that is effortlessly aware. Would you open to the possibility that what makes all the sensations of the body being one body is because that which senses is one single being. One single awareness. Yes. And while allowing this, whatever that is, this what fillers the space in surrounding and interpenetrating whatever you're sensing, allow yourself to notice the sensation that we call the the heartbeat. Like, notice how this awareness could can be simultaneously aware of the heartbeat and whatever extra noise or other noises seems to come and go. Now in this area where we experience the heartbeat, we also experience another sensation that we call breathing. So allow the breathing, just the pair of them to be very relaxed, free from effort, to make it long, deep, yet relaxed. And, again, just for this moment whatever you're experiencing could you let it be memory free? And you're allowing it to be memory free if you're not focusing into anything. You're keeping your attention open. You know, when you notice that when you keep your attention open, you may feel some movement of energy in the chest area. And, again, if you are not, it's because without noticing you're focusing into the chest and to the heartbeat. So remember that you can't you don't need to focus to be effortlessly aware. Notice that this attention notices everything effortlessly without the need of focusing into anything. And let's open to the possibility that that is so because that which is aware is so naturally intelligent. So while resting as this openness in and on which experiencing of sensations arises and is constantly ever changing. Let's allow ourselves to invite our favorite hobby that some of us like to still practice. The hobby of pretending being a person. Now, in order to pretend to be a person, we have to then to pretend that this person has a story. And in order to have a story, you have to to pretend or imagine that there is such a thing called the past. So, just for now allow yourself to imagine a past And notice whatever memories arises of this imagined person or this person that you're pretending to be, Just for fun. And and notice that whatever is arising is a memory. So, first of all, notice what it feels looking at a memory. And notice how this memory is only images, sounds, or thoughts, or sensations. And can you notice as well whatever emotions or feelings, likes or dislikes, attractions or aversions may invoke at this moment. You don't have to manufacture, but just in case anything arises. And, also, welcome as well the sense of wanting to identify with that memory from time to time. The sense of wanting to share that memory, to make it valid, real, anytime you find possible. Just for fun. Like that you can bond with the apparent others. Apparent others' stories, of course. So whatever arises, simply while keeping your attention open, allow the self to be what is. Self cleaning. And you allow it

to be self cleaning the moment you are not interested in getting involved in anything that is arising. When you're not interested in any longer in holding or not holding on to whatever is is arising. So choose for the moment, allow yourself to experience a new self cleaning accessory that is being presented to you. Of course, the self cleaning application, is better to say, only works when it's open. We have to open the applications in order to use them. Right? So in this case we just have to keep our attention open in order for the self cleaning to happen. And notice how it's naturally and effortlessly you may feel a sense of dissolving, a sense of evaporating, a sense of discarding, a sense of movement, a sense of discharging. So while resting as this openness, let's keep pretending that there is such a thing pretending being a person. So, if we're pretending to be a person, we need to imagine that there is such a thing called the future. So, notice whatever it is that you might be projecting for this idea of being a person. Whatever intentions and goals, so welcome just one for the time being. It doesn't have to be long reaching, can be also something about doing it an hour or this evening, or tomorrow, or maybe some time in the future. Whatever that might be, simply notice what is effortlessly arising to your attention. And notice if there is any sense, any sense of somehow wanting for that to be in a certain way. What whether somehow you're wanting to help it, wanting to push it, wanting to make it happen or not to happen. Or any sense of wishing it to be in a certain way. Or any sense of expectation about results, wanting specific results. Notice that if there is any of that. And as we become aware of it, Again, notice the openness, which is naturally aware of all that is arising, yet is untouched and affected. And whatever is arising, let it be let it Be what is. A projected energy. And notice how the spaciousness is naturally self cleaning, is naturally absorbing whatever is arising. So let's do just one more imaginary trip to the so called past, the idea of a past. Let's imagine that there is such a that we do time traveling because that's what the imagined person does often, to imagine that there is time and this eternal moment right here, right now. So right here, right now, imagine that there is such a thing as the past. And welcome the same memory or any other memory that somehow you feel that defines you, speaks loudly about what you are, that you feel you need to share it, explain it in order for others to truly understand the type of person you are. The type of person you are pretending to be. And welcome whatever arises, whatever images, whatever sounds, whatever sensations, even whatever comments about what we are doing or appearing in your experiencing at this moment. And you have the choice to let it be, to make it interesting, attractive, Well, you have the choice to let it be what truly is, only imagined energy. So if you let it be what truly is imagined energy, notice how the self is naturally self cleaning. Naturally welcoming, absorbing whatever you're not any longer interested in holding to or not to hold, whatever you're interested in pulling or pushing towards you. So whatever you're sensing, can you well, welcome as well the sense of wanting to make it about you, about what you are? Just for this moment. And could you let it all be absorbed by the sweetness of where you are, this openness? This depth that projects and absorbs all things. See? So now in our pretending to be a person, let's imagine that this person has a future. And there are two things about the future. There are good news and bad news. The the good news is that the future seems to be so bright. And the bad news is that there isn't any future. But if you're still wanting to pretend that there is a future, go ahead. Let's see what whatever the mind, the good is that the mind would like to project in this so called future. And see whatever arises. And maybe it could arise that you don't like what you just heard or that you have some comments about it. Notice that as well because it's arising in your experiencing, so it's part of whatever you're sensing. It's no different. So, whatever is arising see, just for the fun of it, if you have any intention, any financial intention, any social intention, any, political intention, any, artistic intention, and see whatever arises. Like for instance the intention of being an illuminated person. Being illuminated by holding while holding on to all your beliefs. Like the belief of being someone, a person, a citizen, a son, a father, a mother, a sister, a cousin, a pet owner, An Internet provider. Whatever it is, just Yes. Because that's we have that that's very When we're pretending we are very pretentious. So the person is very pretentious, likes to be illuminated, we are holding on to all his access accessories. That is the belief, the roles that

plays. So, right now just simply, just for this moment, whatever this has imbibed within you at this in this moment, whatever reaction you are sensing, Just notice it and be romantic. Offer it to the space. Be generous. Just for this second. Later on, who knows? But right this moment, allow the openness to be what is. Self cleaning. Remember that you're allowing it to be so when you're not concentrating or focusing into a thought or into an image, that mean an image or a thought or a sensation, but just this spaciousness that is so unconditionally open, unconditionally inviting. That even invites for the idea of a bit of a pretentious person. Pretentious because he's pretending. And it's in the word pretension. That's what pretension is. You are ahead of time tense. So, whatever tension you're sensing anywhere in your chest area or anywhere else, notice the relaxation. That is aware of the tension, of the contraction. In whatever tension or contraction you might be sensing, Remember, there is nothing to do. Simply remember to open your attention. Yes, and simply, let's stop pretending. Pretending that there is a past, there is a future, and just simply to be for the time being just here, just now, which is absolutely memory free. And at your own rhythm, if it hasn't already, open your eyes And notice how this whatever that is that is self cleaning is naturally opening and seeing through those eyes. Allow this sense of memory free to be. And, it is normal if some of you are everly sensing how it's just energy moving. Naturally, that is nothing to do. Just let it be. Welcome. For those of you that were meditating, could you simply stop meditating and just relax? What I mean by that is stop the tension of the sense of meditator. Stop contracting. The idea of a meditator. Contracting, projecting. Projecting the idea that a meditator is necessary in order to be what you already are. Happy meditation. If he doesn't experience as happy, as peaceful, open, inviting meditation. And simply allow yourself to do two or three times a conscious breathing. The breathing being natural, but just as slow, long, lengthy, and slow. Simply conscious of breathing. Conscious of the breathing activity. Allow it to be as effortless and as soft and lengthy as you can. Let it be. Yes. That's enough. The reason that I invited you to breathe consciously is because this activity point of stores, that area in and on which through listening, happens. The area that we call the chest, the gut. So simply notice this area. But while you are noticing, allow yourself to keep, the best you can, your attention open. And simply notice that you can be effortlessly aware of this area without the need of focusing the attention into it. In the contrary, the most the more you allow the attention to stay open, the more alive it becomes, this listening. And this listening listening is not only about sounds. Listening the in the true listening is listening up sensations. But this listening is effortlessly sees, effortless effortlessly senses. So in this openness, simply notice whatever might be that is arising in your experiencing. Might be pictures or sounds from the night before, from earlier this morning, or anything you may have seen via Internet, via TV, Or even a longer past, whatever might be arising at this moment. When it does, it will naturally dissolve, naturally evaporate, disappear the moment you are not interested in going along with it. That doesn't mean that maybe something that arises evoke within you the sense of needing to do something, needing the sensing the the sense of wanting to do the right thing or wanting to finish it, wanting to complete it. Notice those as well. The desire to do something with it or about it. Notice that as well. And when you're just simply noticing it without focusing into it, but while staying staying as the openness in and on which comes, arises, and collapses. You will note that that in the area of the listening, it's naturally happening a movement, a discharge. This discharge, one could be said, that is when you stop efforting. When you stop wanting to maintain or wanting to hold on to whatever arises on it, pictures, sounds, feelings, sensations. Simply notice how this openness It's naturally here. It's that which without which, we couldn't experience what we are experiencing at this moment. And, notice that whatever you're experiencing at this moment is naturally arising, is naturally happening. It doesn't need help. So, again, allow see if there is any thing about last night or any other time that somehow still is demanding for your attention, something that you said put on hold, a phone call, a message, something to say to someone that you're planning to do

afterwards. And simply notice whatever is arising in this open attention. And notice that you have the choice to go, to stay interested in it, or simply stay as the openness in and on which is arising. And notice as well if there is a sense of wanting to hold on or not to hold on to it. If you feel there is a sense that you cannot let it go because it's important, you need to do that afterwards. In other words, see if whatever is arising is feeling important, is feeling serious? And if so, could you stop wanting it to make it important, wanting to make it serious, just for this moment? You can make it serious as much as you want any other time, but just as this instant, can you stop wanting to make it serious, important, meaningful? Significant, And, again, before starting a con our conscious investigation and the true nature of our experiencing, See if there is anything else still that is hanging about the so called past last night or earlier this morning or any other time. See see if there is anything arising, and notice that whatever is arising is ever pictures, sounds, or comments about it. And in other words, more sounds. And see if it broke within you any sensations. And just for this moment, simply remember to open your attention. And if you do, it will naturally and effortlessly unravel, dissolve, disappear from your attention. To be what you are, whatever that is, which is simply just here. To be where you are. My teacher used to say, it's very, very simple. It's not easy, but very simple. It's simple because you already are. It is not easy because in order to be, we need to stop ignoring it. And the object we use to ignore it is an object that we call the memory me or the me memory. And it's an object that we find fascinating. And because we do find it fascinated, we're all day long lost in our heads, telling us our self a story. Telling our self the story of what was or the story about what it might be. Completely ignoring the beginning when we start telling the story and the end when we end the story. Because we are constantly telling ourselves the story. Constantly. We don't realize it because it's an automatic, and sometimes we are very, very aware of it. We're so aware of it that we are writing the story as if we're writing a report to give to someone afterwards. Some of all that been coming here is writing the reports now smaller and less specific, but used to be very specific. So, yes, that's how we ignore what is actually here, By recycling the me memory, by telling ourselves the story. So, in this moment, simply allow yourself to remember something about this me memory or a story. Check and see if there is anything about it at all that you wish it was different. You don't have to dig very deeply. Just whatever arises. And if nothing arises, that's good too. But simply notice again that whatever may arise is only only images, sounds, or sensations to it. Sensations called feelings, like nostalgia, frustration, sadness, or even, oh, oh, happiness. And also welcome how you feel about those memories. Welcome the sense of like and dislike about whatever is arising. Notice that as well. And, again, remember that you have the choice to go along with it. There is making it personal, making it important, or to rest out the openness. Just simply notice that that choice to focus into whatever is arising or to open your attention. Notice that when you open your attention, it's because you are not interested in holding on in whatever is arising. And if that is so, you will notice some movement, some discharge of energy. That means discharge of efforting. So, again, while resting has this openness, which is effortlessly allowing for the projection of memories. Allow yourself to remember something, the same memory, or something else about this me memory with story that you wouldn't mind if it would have been if it would have been different. That if you were all over to do it again, you will do it differently. And see whatever this invites into your the openness. And notice that whatever is arising is ever images, sounds, perhaps, or other sensations can be a smells, feelings. And notice right now your reaction to it, Whether it feels unpleasant or unpleasant or unpleasant. And, again, simply notice whatever is arising. Notice the effortlessness of the of the happening because it's happening naturally. And, again, remember that you can exercise the freedom to focus into that or to simply open your attention. That is, you relax the sense of wanting to hold on or not to hold on. But if you fear any sense of wanting to hold on or not to hold on, notice that as well, And go back to your open attention. And, again, simply notice the naturalness, how things just get discharged, how they just naturally arises and collapses.

As long you are not interested in holding on to it or using it to ignore what is actually here. Openness. And allowing yourself to rest and feel comfortable the best you can as this openness, as this open attention that is all including. It's including the experiencing of the body, the experiencing of the surroundings. Allow yourself to remember anything about this so called me memory or a story that you feel very proud of, that you feel it defines you, that you use from time to time to get to feel confident about what what you think you are. And welcome whatever arises. And, again, simply notice that what arises is ever pictures, ever sounds, ever sensations. Can you welcome the sense of wanting to use that to make it personal? Welcome the sense that you need that in order to to feel security or confidence. That you need that in order to function, to be appreciated. So just for this moment, can you welcome the sense of needing to be appreciated, of needing to be considered, of needing to be recognized, of needing to be validated, either by yourself or the idea of others. And, again, remember that you have the choice to stay focused into that or to simply open your attention. And allow it whatever that is, whatever it is, and simply see if this is true or just a projection of your imagination. And, again, let's do just one more. Some may like and dislike. So simply allow yourself to remember something that you dislike about this so called exercise being a me, a memory me, simply arises whatever dislike is invited into your openness, into the openness of where you are. The reason we feel dislike is because it come from the idea of judgment. So welcome the sense of being practicing being judgmental. Along with whatever is arising, which is nothing else that pictures sounds, or sensations. And remember that you can use it to be focused into it, to ignore that what is actually here, the openness. So if you want to honor the openness, allow your attention to expand, to open. If you're feeling some of you a contraction in the chest area, it's because without realizing it, you're focusing into it. So simply notice it and stop wanting to do anything with it or about it, Like wishing it felt different, of wishing it wasn't there. Because the moment you truly open your attention, that which is not real collapses. It stops being objective. It loses the sense of solidity. So whatever it was we did last time, whether it was a like or dislike, just welcome the opposite. A dislike, I guess. I don't remember if it was a like or dislike. So whatever it is, welcome the opposite. The dislike or like about this projection call the me memory. And now you know, try to do it by yourself, without the guidance, but by using by being just what you've been experiencing. Yes. Let's do just one per more of that what you label attachment and aversion. So let's do just one attachment and one aversion. Attachment is usually something that we like, so we hold on to it. That's what we call attachment. It's a like that we like to hold on to it. So allow yourself to remember a like that you really love to hold on to it because there are parts of the me memory that we really like and parts that we don't like very much. So with the like the parts that we like, we try to edit it constantly to maintain the story alive, to make it nicer, sweeter. That's why we're constantly writing the story because we're constantly editing it and so on. So allow yourself to remember a liking that you like to hold on to or an attachment. Give yourself permission to really say yes. I just love that. I want to hold on for a little longer. Again, simply notice whatever this invites into the openness of where you are. And simply welcome all the sensations and same paraphernalia, pictures and sounds. And, again, remember that you have the choice to hold on to it by focusing into it, by using it to ignore the openness in which it appears. So you have the choice to stay there or to open your attention. And while resting as this openness, which is ever a clean slate, remember this so called me memory in aversion. In aversion can be when we're denying certain denying to see certain people, denying to see certain things, or not denying or avoiding, whatever it is make you avoid, postpone. Procrastinate. So work on whatever attachment that is whatever arises as attachment in this moment in your openness. It can be as simple actually as, going to the dentist every four months or so. You don't have to make it too spiritual, you know. Yes, whatever arises. Simply notice it for what it is. And if you're not interested in going along with it, Allow yourself to rest as the openness. That which is naturally all allowing. Allows for all projections, allow for the idea of a me, allow for the idea of others. It's

an extraordinary laboratory. That is all allowing. So rest of this openness that allows for memories, yet is memory less. Yes. One last thing. Sorry. Just stay as just we're going to do it twice. It's a polarity. So could you allow yourself to be the me or the story of me as much as you do? Could you allow yourself to rest of the openness as much as you can? Yes. Could you now could you allow yourself to be or to the me memory as much as you do? Could you allow yourself to rest as the openness as much as you are? Just once more, will you allow yourself to rest as the me memory, the me sense as much as you do? And could you allow yourself to resist the openness as much as you can? Thank you. Only for this moment could you simply allow your experience into be a sea of awareness, an ocean where the waves of awareness in the shape of thoughts and feelings arises and collapses naturally. So simply be this ocean that allows for all these waves to come and go, yet unperturbed. Just allow the body to relax into that which is holding it. Could you direct your attention to the field where thinking Seems to appear Seems to come and go Seem to notice the openness the space, the emptiness. Yes, Christa. You mentioned that the answers are there, for the questions that we have and that we simply need to release in order for them to show up. Can you just briefly, summarize what that process is of releasing? Yes. Like, for instance, if you happen to have a question you don't have to manufacture them, but if you happen to have a question, you know, like Ron, for instance. Ron had a question. Said, you know, I wonder why if Lester he had all this. Like, I was just explaining when when I actually, it was I heard that from Robert when he said how everything is pedestrian. I I I felt very flustered. I didn't like it. I was actually, I felt experienced anger. And, and so all of that came up, and I let all of that go. And, and I just opened to have the answer, to have to have the clarity. And, and that's all I did. I I did go of all the emotions that I had about that that was generated by that question, and, and I opened to the clarity. And, the beauty is that you you become calm, relaxed, and, actually, you even feel because what you are is so complete, you don't even feel that you need the answer. And in that completeness, the answer arises. And it's and you're like, oh, I and you I mean, it's it's just it's just so intimate because it comes so complete. You see? So So in the process of coming up against a particular emotion that is surfacing, when you say I let go, that that's a little easier said than done for me. It's been in that process. So because, you know, doing it first, the, because it's I don't I let go. It happens, actually. That is I'm so glad you pointed out because it is not an I that let it go. It's what I like, what we did the meditation today, aware of being aware. Just now, Krista, when you are just aware of being aware and aware of that which is aware of movement, aware of sensations yet transparent. Naturally, when you are aware of being aware, Any sensation, if it's unconscious, that might be that you might be sensing, which is the contraction of separation, for instance, that we don't feel it. Feel it. We feel it on and on. Immediately, you feel some loosening up. Just notice how it's immediate, and it's already loosening up, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And because what you are is timeless, and the sensations are made out of time. And when timeless when you choose to be timeless, that which is made out of time dissolves naturally. So all all mind is made out of time. That is thoughts, feelings. They are made out of time. So anytime, and that's the beauty, anytime you choose aware of being aware, no matter what, immediately, there will be a loosening up. An unconscious holding on for dear life that we have in the area of the chest and the gut, which is the sense of separation. So the beauty is that whether you release for a question, whether you release for for a what we call issues, whether we release for let go of tendency, whatever. At what you're truly, at any moment, being released is the energy that is needed to stay separate. At every moment. Because and it's the and it's the desire to be separate, and the desire to be one is the same energy. So you're wanting to be one as much as you're wanting to be separate. Because it is about the wanting, the intensity of the wanting. And what what is being released again is the wanting to be separate.

So wanting to be separate from the answer. You see? The moment you because if you have a question, Krista, you will that question wouldn't arise if it wasn't because you already the answer is within you. I don't understand. The question wouldn't arise if it wasn't because the answer is already within you. But since we have the tendency that we need to go outside in the world to get the answer, so we go to gurus, so to speak, or we go to the doctor, so to speak, for answers. But in in in the the teaching from Lester was go where the happiness where where everything is right within you. And within you then includes everything. I love how simple it is. Simple and direct. Yes. I I divine simplicity. You saw it's it's so simple. It's really, really simple. I mean, when we look at it, I mean, we're talking about one single beingness. That's right. Even Jesus said so beautifully, I is the way. You know, it was misinterpreted by mind, the way they was by they saw him as a person, so they they they end they saw that it was I Jesus, the body mind is the way. No. He was talking about the I that we all have in common. So is that is that is this in that I, which I love, and that's, like the Roman number, the number one. So, yes, if you start to see the simplicity, it's it's it's it's, it's it's is very inviting and is very beautiful because it takes you well it takes you away from complexity. So as far as you want complexity, you will never see the simplicity. Yeah. So it's about it is about simplicity. Yes. Thank you. You're welcome. Yes. Welcome. Just for this moment, simply stop practicing anything, like practicing thinking, practicing feeling. Just be. And notice whether you're even practicing that, practicing on being. Just simply notice. Otherwise, simply be. And you're letting what you are be when you're allowing what is, when you're allowing when you're open to allowing the presence of what is. Yes. And while allowing what you are be, See if you can sense the effortlessness of the moment. This ever being moment. See if you can sense the soft effortlessness or the soft presence of the moment. And could you, whatever you might be sensing about the moment, Could you surrender it to the moment itself? Remember, just only the best you can. Could you whatever you might be sensing about the moment, to surrender it to the moment itself. And you're allowing you're allowing the moment to be when you are sensing expectations, sensing experiencing, but without being interested in whatever is being sensed. So again, whatever is being sensed, could you simply Stay as that, of the moment itself to which all of this coming and going up and down, appearing and disappearing, arises. And it will be natural for some of us to feel some kind of movement happening in the chest area. What that what is happening is that it's naturally and effortlessly unraveling all the energy we used to use to ignore the moment. And if some of us are sensing a tension, a contraction, a nod, or an ominous. It's because out of habit, we are using it to ignore the moment. So now, if that is the case, simply just for this moment, could you just relax the sense of holding on, the sense of gripping or grasping. And simply notice what is beyond that. The openness. The effortless presence of the moment. And see how you will notice that something gets loosen. Something loosens up. Something the the the the sensation of contraction relaxes, unravels by itself. You get a break from the exercising of holding on, holding on for dear life. So simply remember that you have this choice. To keep holding or to notice what is beyond this holding. So, yes, while allowing the best you can to stay as what you are, this ever present moment. Again, if you're noticing any sensing that is distracting you from simply just simultaneously be and sense. So notice it, and remember that you can throw it. You can liberate it like you will liberate. All this sensing. You will liberate it like you can liberate a little bird that you've been holding in your hands Into the openness. Without caring which way it goes. Without caring about which direction the bird takes. In the contrary, open to the openness itself. So if it's not too much to ask, just for this moment, Could you be the moment itself? Yes. And if some of you are sensing some effort, simply notice the effortlessness presence of the moment. And could you

open to the possibility that each time you feel invited is spontaneous to honor this the presence of the moment. Again, if it's repetitious, I'm sorry, but could you open to the possibility that you are opening to remember what you truly are? Yes. Each time you open to dive into the moment, You're opening to the remembrance of where you are. And you will notice that what you are is the fountain of happiness, because it's naturally happy. Swish time. You open to what is actually here, this effortless presence of the moment. You stop begging for happiness. By the way, a parenthesis is normal if you're feeling, some of you, a lot of energy or your heart beating fast. If it is, you're noticing it, it's because, again, out of habit. You are focusing into an object. You're allowing the object to point you away from happiness. Simply notice the happiness, notice the object, whatever you're sensing. And just for this moment, don't use it to look away from that in which arises. This happy moment. So, yes, as I was saying, the moment you are open to stay as the, what it is, this effortless moment, just stop begging for happiness. And we stop begging for happiness in two different ways. One way is when we want to absorb Happiness from a place, a person, a situation, or a thing, a thing, an object. The second way we do is when we think that we have to be, do, or have something in order to be. So, yes, we could call those practices unhappiness practices or practice of unhappiness that we use to look away from what is actually here. This ever effortless moment of happiness. So just for now and only the best you can, could you open to the possibility that resting as what you are, the moment, is where the ever lasting experience of happiness is from moment to moment. So, while resting as what you are, this lasting, ever present happiness. Could you allow yourself to remember A way that you used to absorb or squeeze happiness from a place, a hobby, a person, an activity, or a thing, like eating. Yes. Sweets or drinking beer or champagne. And simply remember whatever it is that you from where you used to squeeze and beg happiness. And simply notice whatever sensations are arising. Notice how your effortless sensing whatever is arising. And whatever is being sensed, Could you surrender it to the moment itself? Or notice what is beyond whatever is being sensed. This effortless presence of being from moment to moment. Yes. And allow yourself to remember of the same thing or any other memory because at this moment they are memory, aren't they? A a memory that you use to recycle in order to squeeze or beg for happiness out of from this external, what you call the world. And, in other words, looking for happiness away from happiness. Looking for happiness while ignoring happiness. And just simply notice whatever might be arising in the here right now. And remember that you have the choice to get involved with it or to simply surrender it to the moment itself. And, actually, surrender sounds like a lot of activity. A good word will be notice it. And use and notice the sense of indifference, the sense of neutrality about it. It collapses anything that arises on you collapses by itself when you open to just be neutral. Neutral and non nuclear. Nuclear is when you're reactive. And it's because we are so reactive that we created something like nuclear energy. We we didn't wanted to hold it all within our bodies. We wanted to put it out outside of ourselves because it was too much to handle. So, yes, So just while resting at this openness, Yes. That is already reaction free, suffering free, problem free, therefore memory free. Allow yourself to remember about the same memory or any other memory when you felt that you needed to do, to be, or to have something in order to be what to experience happiness. And, yes, simply notice whatever arises. Whatever sensing you might be experiencing, Simply notice the freedom of the moment, how it welcomes effortlessly everything, all sensing. Yet, he doesn't need to hold on to it, doesn't need to do anything to it. It doesn't need to use it to ignore itself. So, yes, simply, each time you're willing to rest as this effortless presence of the moment, You're allowing sensing to be free, to come and go naturally as you enjoy a beautiful tree going through the four seasons. Naturally, without any attachment. So just lastly, the same memory or any memory that you used to recycle when you thought that you needed to do, to be or have something in order to be happy. Like, for instance, expect what we expect of ourselves or what we feel others are expecting from us. Yes. Simply notice whatever this invites into your experiencing. And in the same way as you breathe, in and out, allow

this sensing to appear in and effortlessly to be to collapse out. Yes. Allow sensing to be free, flowing, like the waves in the sea, that when they arrive to the shore of where you are, they dissipate naturally, effortlessly without leaving any, what do you call fingerprints or footprints, without leaving any prints. Yes. Thank you. Is this all thought you're talking about though, Laura? I shouldn't be interested in the message. Like you said, these are just sounds. And once you First of all, you see, it's nothing wrong with thinking. What the thinking we're talking about is that something needs to change in order for you to be what you are, already perfectly realized. Those are the thinking we're talking about. What you are will never become realized. You already are infinitely realized. What you are letting go or liberating yourself from is the concepts to the contrary. The idea they're telling you you are not. You are far away from it. You need to work. You are not getting it. How long more? On and on and on. That that is what disappear, collapses by itself The moment you open to the possibility that what you are right now, that which is hearing, that which before hearing doesn't need a thought in order for hearing to happen, That which is already silent, that without which you couldn't hear the inner voices apparently in the mind. And he said also which is hearing through the physical ears, this voice. What you are is that which hears. Hears directly what we call thoughts and hear directly what we call sounds through the ears. That is already perfectly realized. That is already conscious because we are not honoring it. We are more interested in the noise, the activity, and the movement, which is okay. That's what we have been exercising. We thought it was fun, but now somehow we have gotten dizzy. Yes. You know? All of a sudden, I said, wait a minute. I like to have some some peace, some quietness, at least at least I wouldn't mind half an hour a day fully and completely. You see? So when you start to open to honor what is real, that which is not real naturally collapses. And how do I honor it then? Yes. That I can point you towards because it is the easiest thing because you already are. You see? Like, for instance, let's do it right now. I mean, you right now, the reason that you can hear is because it's appearing in silence. Otherwise, you couldn't experience hearing. And this silence is ever present, is untouched, unaffected, uninterrupted, unlimited, boundless. All of that, it becomes obvious very quickly. The moment that at least the inner voices when they appear, when you let them be just sounds and you are open to to see that in which arises, this openness, this silent openness, what it will do is that at the beginning, the thoughts appear like this, very close to you. It's you. You know? But what happen is, immediately, there is a space. The moment you honor the silence, immediately, there is a space. You don't have to make it happen. It happens by itself because you already are. You don't need to work for it. That's the beauty. Maybe you have heard the saying that says when you when you take one step towards what you are, what you are take seven steps towards you. You see? Yes. So the moment taking a step is honoring that which is real. This the natural silence ever present. That is ever present. That is a proof that perhaps you are completely realized, perfectly realized. You see? And that applies to the images that we miss that we see in our imagination, what we call imagination. In order to see those images, notice that you don't need to close your eyes. You can see the image inside your mind without closing your eyes. Why? Because you're not seeing with the physical eyes. You are seeing it with that which sees you. But in order for that for that scene to happen, it's because there is a space. Otherwise, you couldn't see the image. But we ignore that space as much as we ignore what we call the physical space. The physical space without which we couldn't have what we call tables, lamps, chairs, all that content Yes. That is there only because there is physical space. Same thing with the thinking or with the sensations. You see? So when you start to see more and more, when you start to honor more and more how available is this silent,

spacious, emptiness, immediately something gets loosened up in your chest area. And what loosens up is because when you honor what you are, that which is not real, it starts to unravel, it starts to dissolve naturally because there is no such a thing I need to do, I need to accomplish. It has to be done. All of that is effort. And what I'm inviting is to let be what you are, effortlessness itself. Already, it's been a lot of effort to maintain that which is not real. It's exhausted. Exhausting. Exhausting. I can see that already somehow you could do without it. It's starting to stink, so to speak. Mhmm. So that is a privilege. That is a blessing to be interested in what is what you truly are, what is actually real. So what what is real is that we see, hear, and senses directly. That first doesn't need a thought in order to hear. First doesn't need a thought in order to see. First doesn't need a thought in order to feel. It's immediate. It's the immediacy of it because it's timeless. So, the timelessness that you are has no time for that which is made out of time. And everything the mind offers, sounds, images and sensations are made out of time. So, when you are timelessness, you don't need to focus on the sound because that will be effort. In the contrary, relax the focusing. In the same way that when you go to a big landscape of the sea, a landscape, ah, look at that, that you really feel like you want to open and embrace it. Same thing. The reason that you already have that sense is because that's what you are, openness itself. Yes, Renee. Hi. I I feel like I've reached a plateau. It's just like the last week or two. There's been no little insights. I'm not unhappy. I'm not I'm just sort of in I feel like I'm in limbo, and I'd like to move on to the next level. Is there any next level? Oh, no. Yeah. I'm thinking I I no. I can't be done yet. You know? So but isn't that perhaps a point of view that there is seems like levels? Like, there's something more coming. Like, I, you know, I just feel like my my mind is quieter. That's for sure. And I I I just feel like I'm sort of treading water right now. So would you yes. So you're explaining the the the experiencing. Right? That is what the thought is bringing, and that's what the feeling is bringing. The feeling is unsatisfaction. There is more. There is something more. This is this is not enough. Yes. And it's not enough because when you say it feels like limbo, it's because you are identifying with still, there is a numbness, a sense of numbness. And that is natural. That arises because it's been like a defense mechanism that it's better not to feel than to feel. So that's what you might be feeling, that sense of numbness. Yeah. I mean, that's enough It's not good or not good. It's it's just Yeah. No perfume of happiness. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm still reeling a little bit from the election, and I've sort of blocked out the news and all that. And I think just being aware and going, those are just thoughts and letting them pass. You know, nothing's happening right here, right now has helped. And I wonder if that's sort of contributing to this feeling of, like, just limbo. Just Yeah. Even though to feel. Yeah. Exactly. So that is a is a the limbo sense is we have it when, oh, well, that's life. You know? That is is apathy, actually. That is that is the sense of apathy. But it, whether you do or don't do is irrelevant. It's just ease. You know? It's okay, it's just disorder. I will do my best. It's it come from the sense of apathy. Yeah. And it's just it's and it's that is is that is if you wanted to put at the level, their level, the the but the levels of energy. Yeah. And that's the lowest one. Right? The lowest, the opposite. I'm at the bottom. So good. You are no way to go lower to go. Uh-huh. From here, it's all up. Yeah. Yes.

From here, it's all up. You see? So there is the grief. Oh my god. What am I going to do? You know? And then it's a fear. Oh, gosh. It's you know? So that is at less level, you see, the fear. And and that is why we're afraid to to sense the fear. But every feeling and every thought actually is fear. You know? Fear to to be what you are, actually. Fear to be happy. Fear to be happy. Fear to be what you truly are. That's why we we'd rather get engaged with thoughts and feelings. So in this moment, for instance, Renee, just keep it very simple. Right now, there may be a feeling that you would like to change you would like things to be different. I mean, no. At any at every level, whether it's worldly, in your home, in the way you're feeling. You want for everything to be different. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's wonderful. In it, a big event of some kind because since everything is your creation, in order to really awaken you up because that is the only purpose of life, actually, to be where you are, happy. Happiness that is independent from anything else. So we are we are controlled by the by the the the this what we call, whatever it is, light, illusion, all those name that we have given. We're controlled, in this case, by delusion because we're making ourselves dependent upon what seems to be happening. Yeah. You see? So right now, just notice this and all that is within you, we could say the dependency to be dependent upon the world, dependent upon an ideology. Because if you're speaking about only because you said, you know, the the the the the elections of precedent. So you're dependent upon ideology. And that is one of the biggest belief that we have as humans. We have died for it. We have killed for it. Yeah. So that's why I feel so, intense. Yeah. And I'm trying to stay detached from it all. I you know, trying to to You don't want to be detached. You want to be free from it. Right. Because that's resisting. Right? If I'm trying to Exactly. I'm yeah. I'm trying to not care. But, you know, I see a headline and I wanna I I just wanna come out of my step. You're trying to not care. That can go on for eons because trying to not care is a mindset. And and and what you are is that which is you're not the mind. You're that which is aware of this all this idea that the mind is giving you. This, in this case, it's giving you the this mindset. So to maintain that mindset is is a job. Can you see that? Trying to be aloof, not to care. Everything is fine. I mean, like, let me let's put cement on it. Let's just suppress it. It's only maybe in a certain amount of time. After that, I will feel good again. Who knows? You see all of this inner monologue? Yeah. Yeah. So that's the freedom. And do we identify with that or not? Yeah. And, you know, I know we we talked about this one on one at one point where it's like, if and this is for all of us. If this is our movie and you said, you know, like, we're the writer, the director, the actors, Like, why am I not making a happier story out of this? That's that's a good that's a good question. That's that you you that question is a rise or something. Is it what is within me that is creating this story? You know? It's not that I'm unhappy. I'm just sort of You see, Lester used to put it this way. The world appears according to your concepts. So what design our experiencing is our the concepts. I mean, experience we can say is you are pure light pure light. And they say that this is the mind. Right? So when you're pure light, this image is reflected in the canvas. So the world is appearing according to those concepts. So when you let go of a concept, the image changes, isn't it? No differently.

Each time you're letting go of concepts or points of views, the image just has changed it. Out there, the image is changing. And they're no longer you're seeing through mind, you're seeing directly free. You're not any longer seeing your thinking. Because as long as we identify with thoughts, we're only seeing our thinking. I don't know if I I want to to to that if that can be seen, that's why when we the reason that we are in places like this is because we have experimented how life changes, gets transformed, that things really can be different. We have all experienced that because it is. So the good question is if what do I have a happy life? Because right now, you're making life dependent upon an event in the world. And and to release, like, the I kinda anticipate what you're gonna say on this. But the first step is to be conscious of the thought that you're having, then make a choice. Do you wanna buy into it, or do you wanna be free of it? And then is being free just when you say open your awareness, don't focus on anything. Can you do that with your eyes closed, with your eyes open? Like, you you know, just being open, is that just being conscious of being conscious and it just automatically dissipates? You see, Right now, you want right now, you want to create a map, but why not why right now making as it is experiential in the only moment there is right now? You see, whatever you want to release or experience, let's do it right now. You don't have to say it. You can say, yes. I have something that I would like to be free from. You see? So it's right now. It's better to experience it right now because when you you only know that what you can experience. Yeah. Isn't it? And I'm just a jumble of a jumble of things right now. Like, I can't even articulate one little thing that would be arising. Perfect. And that is the thought. The thought is I don't well, you you said that is the thought. You just voice the thought. Yeah. If that is the thought. So just notice that you have that thought. You don't even know how to where to start. Yeah. Right? We're very busy. Very busy up here. Okay. Yes. So just notice that at the at the just notice. Are you that thought, or you're that which is aware of it? That's right. You can explain it, describe it. So where are you? You see that. Where are you? I'm aware of it. And just notice the sensations. You know? We don't want to feel it because we want to so you don't need to look for it. Just be aware. Be open to whatever is being is there, whether it's numbness or doesn't need to have a it's just, you see, to take a step back and see thinking and feeling and so where are you? You see? Just notice the choice to be interested in thoughts or feelings or to be interested in that which is, at least for a second, in that which is aware of the experience, but also aware of being aware. Eating me for a second. So it's sort of just being on to it. Like, I know what you're up to is sort of enough to Simply being aware. What you are is is doesn't have any plans. But your art is perfect. It's whole. It's complete, and we are not allowing it to to shine because we'd rather put all this it's like a what you are is like the sun, so we'd rather cover it with all these clouds. Clouds of sinking clouds, feelings. Yeah. But these are only clouds. They're vapor made out of vapor. They all pass ever changing. So it's just for you to be. Do you rather be the open bluer sky? Would you rather be entertained by this to have clouds ever appearing, ever changing, ever passing. But what inspiring us to to to release is is because you want to feel happiness more than anything else. You want to feel what you are and what you are is completeness. There is no suffering. And and just and let it you start to see actually what is what life truly is. Because everything that we're talking about is just everything. Every thought, every feeling is only fear to die. Fear existential fear. So what we are is is eternal. So that's really when we're open to the truth, when we have the privilege, you know, about 8,000,000,000 body minds in the planet, so to speak, that only very few are interested in in in having transfection and said, where is all comes from?

What is happiness? And and it's ongoing. Right? I mean, it's just you just take it minute by minute, second by second. Not even that. Not even that. That's the concept. Already. Can you see the job? I'm sorry. What? Can you see? It's a job. Yeah. Yeah. And I want I want you to tell me that I'm doing it right, that I'm on the right path, and and there is no path. Right? I mean, it's just Unless you imagine one. Yes. And I guess I'm the proof for myself when I feel better. Well, that could be the good thing for a while. Yeah. The good thing is that you're yeah. You you the good thing is that you know that that that you can feel good and happy and complete. You know that. So once we have a taste of that, that's all we want. Yeah. Yeah. I've had a couple burst of that. It's it's pretty pretty special. Yes. Yes. And and sometimes happen just by itself. Oh my goodness. This is great. Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. Because yeah. Yeah. Yes. I would like some more of that. Well, you are all of that. Well Open that you are all of it. Right now, believing that it's not. That is that is right now, that is somehow separate from you. Yeah. It's still some place I have to get to. Yes. Exact you see? It's separate. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're what was experiencing is a sense of separation. Yeah. It's like if I do a, then b will happen. And And my god, what it happened to c. Yeah. So, yes, Renee. So you see, just just truly start to be aware of it. So right now, whatever is happening, you see, we don't need to analyze it, understand it, own it. Yeah. What for? You want to be free from it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm tired of looking at it. Yeah. And the thing is that we are we we realize that we're attached to letting go is because we feel that if we let it go, we're letting we're letting go of something. You're losing something, and you're losing. Yes. You're losing a point of view. You're losing an idea that you used to have about things. Then my picture changes. My movie changes or what? It just yes. It's as I said, it's just perspective changes. You see that that is the image. When it's gone, the image the image changes. Yeah. Yeah. The projection changes. So so so but but what I Renee, what is good is to really not to postpone anything, to really you see, it's not it's not a later. There is no such a thing as later. It's a famous it's famous later, but it's never here. Good point. Okay. You know? And to and to keep it really you see, it's it's not because if you like to think, which is nothing wrong with it, it's it's a hobby that you once of us, some people, we like to think, at least to be aware that you're giving yourself the freedom to be playful with the thought. Mhmm. But not to be controlled by the thought. You see the difference? Yeah. Because it's it's it's only freedom. It's so much freedom. Hi, Laura. Oh, hello, Renee. How are you? Very good, and thank you for sending me the email. It was very, it was, timely to say the least. So I've been wrestling with something. If Yes. Everything about us comes out of consciousness, if that's our true self, like, we couldn't hear without it, you know, none of our senses would would be available to us, then where does thinking come from? Where does the mind come from? Where do all those bad thoughts come from? Does that also come from awareness?

Is there is only one you see, you just said it and let's we don't know what we are. That is the beauty. It's very intriguing, but we don't know what we are because you are. You are that at that in this moment is conscious. And if you're not conscious of it, does it exist? In order for anything to have existence, it's because conscious is aware of it, isn't it? But if that's the source of everything, then it would also be the source of our thoughts. Is the yes. Yes. It's the source of everything. So I'm not But the source of the thoughts the source of the thoughts. Yes. Actually, Robert Adams used to say, look for the source of the source of the thoughts and be there. Stay there. And that is a very valid way. But also, the what is deeper somehow is that the thoughts, we're talking about repetitive thoughts, psychological thoughts, no artistic thoughts. Artistic thoughts, they're ideas. They come once. Yeah. And we're all Must have experienced that. Right? But we're talking about the repetitive thoughts, thoughts that come from nowhere. Wait a minute. How am I having those awful thoughts? Yeah. Those compulsive, obsessive Exactly. That's it doesn't make any sense. Medieval kind of thoughts even It's engrapsic. All of those thoughts. Now all of those thoughts originate from the sense of separation. And the sense of separation is experienced as what we call emotions. So what happened is that we don't feel the feeling because we are not aware of it, but somehow we're very aware of the realm of thinking. So that's why when you have a thought, if you take it to the source, you will find out that that thought is coming from some kind of wanting. So we could say that all thoughts, the origins of all thoughts is desire. Because I have a question for you, Rene. You wouldn't have any desire. Zero desire. Will you have any thoughts? If I if I didn't have any desires Yeah. Just be. Allow yourself to be. Have no desires. Yeah. Then then I'm I'm blank. Yeah. They are not thoughts. Yeah. Because everything kinda, I guess, goes back to desire whether it's for approval, love, recognition. So the origin of all thoughts are from desire. So just notice that when you would will that will there be any thoughts? You have no desire? No. So how do I wipe out desire? So the good thing is that here, you're you're hearing the desire is only energy. The energy to wanting to control, the energy to wanting approval, the energy of wanting to to feel safe in order to stay separate. So the beauty is that at every moment you become aware of attention in your in your gut area, and just let it be what is actually, only energy. In that moment, you are releasing desire itself. The desire to be separate from what you truly are. I'm I'm nodding. I know you can't see me because my camera's not on. I'm nodding along. What what if the same what if it keeps coming up again and again? Like, is that just the at one point, you said when you release it, it's gone. But what if it keeps resurfacing? No. If it keeps resurfacing, it's not being let go of truly. K. Because the beauty is that what you are releasing is imagined. It's not real. So when your reality itself releases, it's gone because what you are releasing is not real. It's imagined. And the reason that it keeps ripping it's repetitive is because because since it's not real, it needs to be endowed with reality. You're endowing it with reality when making it personal. With thinking that that you that that thought is a you. Yeah. Because you will see the thought no differently than the clouds in the sky. That would be it. You see? Mhmm. When you see a cloud, you are not staying out there making sure that the shape doesn't change, that it doesn't go anywhere without asking you first. You see? You couldn't care less. Right? Yeah. Unless you are going to get a party and looks gray color and you wouldn't like to rain.

You see, you're spending you start you start to get engaged with the with the with the with the cloud. You see? But that's the thing the same thing with the thoughts. We get engaged with the thoughts. We allow this we allow the thoughts to be in charge. And somehow now, we don't want to go along with them, so we are resisting them. So what I mean what I'm inviting you to notice is notice that you think that if you know where the source of the thoughts are coming from, you say, voila. Got it. Okay. Free from thoughts. Next. Yeah. I I might be trying to make a project out of releasing because I I don't think I'm doing it correctly. Yes. It's okay. The reason that you are is because you are we all we all start there. You are trying it to figure it out. Yeah. And the thing is that the reason that the mind cannot be of help is because what you're releasing is the mind itself. And let me clarify that. You're releasing the thinking mind, the personal mind Because that the mind that is the the the that is, the servant, that has all the abilities to serve, that is actually it gets better. It gets clear, more efficient. So what you're letting go is the thinking mind, the personal mind. To sort it to certain extent because we don't really like to let go all of it. We don't have, you know, we don't have to be that exaggerated. I love freedom, but, you know, it's what is the rush? But meanwhile, we like to have a peace of mind. Right? Yeah. Yes. So it is not at the level of thought. It is at the level of the heart. It's at the level of the heart. So when you have any thought, if you take it to the source, the source is from desire. Right. And and and his desire and and and it feel that that recognition is enough. That is enough. Because in order for you to recognize it, you can only recognize it because you are being conscious. Because it is con in order to release for release to happen, you need to be conscious. Yeah. I I guess I thought I've been doing that, but some of the same stuff keeps surfacing again and again. Yes. So let's let's let's invite instead of speaking about them. You don't need to say it, but can you invite one of those? Those things that seems to be keep repeating again and again. Can you pick one? Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Okay. Pick one. So it's here. Right? Mhmm. So now now the now notice how the mind is presenting it to you, and notice the openness that is allowing for that to be seen. Right? Because it's been seen, it's been heard, it's been sensed. And now welcome wanting to do anything with it or about it, like perhaps wanting to annihilate it or wanting it not to be there. Welcome that as well. And now relax the attention. Relax the tension of the attention, And allow yourself to be more interested in the openness than anything else, at least for this moment and only the best you can. Yes. You don't need to follow your any sensation that you might be sensing. Leave it alone. Let go expecting how we should feel or not. K. Okay. Yes. Thank you for trying your best. So let's check again. Allow yourself to think of the same thing or anything else that somehow is appearing as repetitive. And simply notice whatever the mind is offering. Again, simply notice that whatever data the mind is downloading is in the shape of images, inner voices, or recordings, and has somehow emotions do we have attained? It has a sense of sensations. What what I find fighting with myself is the doubts coupled with what I would like to see happen. Like, they're both jumbled up in there. Very good. So that is what is arising. Right? The doubt. Mhmm. That's excellent. That's wonderful. So welcome that doubt, and check and see if that doubt is arising from insecurity. Yep.

And check and see that insecurity fee is feeling right now as either wanting to control, wanting approval, or wanting security? Think all of the above. Very good. So as you resonate with all of them, just for this moment, welcome the sense of wanting or wishing to control. Remember, what you're letting go is the wanting, the wanting to guide it, wanting to direct it, wanting to make sure. Welcome that sense of wanting to control the best you can and only for this moment. And could you welcome as well wanting approval? Or disapproval? Can you welcome that as well? Wanting approval or disapproval? And could you welcome as well wanting security? Yes. And check and see because usually doubt comes from the lack lack because what you're releasing is lack. Wanting is feeling you don't have it. So you're releasing, needing to control, needing, to be approved, loved, received, needing to be feel saved, safe, secure. Right? So the the doubt, it comes directly from the lack of conviction. So welcome. That sense, wanting, feeling that you have not that it that you don't feel you don't feel conviction. Welcome wanting to resist conviction. Now conviction is what you are. What you are not is doubt. So what we're letting go here is what you're not. Doubt. So let's check again, Renee, because it looks like you're this is the beauty that when you're truly interested in one thing and it is inspiring you to to release, that is so that is wonderful. It's a blessing. So, again, welcome that sense of doubt if it is there still. Let it all be here. Okay. Yes. Let it all be here. The doubtful moment has arrived. Yeah. Yes. All of up until now, you've been trying to keep it away, you know, dealing with it. No. You see, doing the best you can with it. Meanwhile yeah. Let go wanting to deal with it. Let it just be here. And let go wanting to make wanting to own it, wanting to make it about you. Welcome that. Wanting to make it personal. And can you let it be what actually is? Only a perception. Only a thought. And what are thoughts? Those are things to let go of. If you are not serving your purpose. So feel all this doubt, and now notice that without which you couldn't perceive this idea that we call doubt. And the only reason that you can experience doubt is because it's appearing in what you are. Conviction itself. Sanctitude itself. Just let it do what it does. Let it loosen up. Let it be energy. Don't nothing to do. Just be that whatever that is that is peacefully aware. Renee, we're going to do, if you don't mind, a little exercise about the doubt. Okay? K. Can you be as doubtful as you do? You mean let it all come up? Oh, yeah. There's a whole lot. Wow. Could you be as doubtful as you do? I can get into it. Okay. No. Yes. Whatever it arises, we we're not whatever arises. Okay. So so could you? Could you be as doubtful as you do? Yeah. And can you be as certain as you truly are? That part's harder. Okay. That's why we're doing it. So can you be as doubtful as you do? And can you be as certain as you can? A certain part a certainty is harder to get at. Yes. That's why we're doing it. I I feel like the only way I can get there is to tell myself that I'm consciousness. I'm No. Again. But that doesn't that that has not worked. Yeah. Yeah. And you see that? So what you're doing is recurring to a tool that has not worked. Right. Right. At at at a beautiful Einstein used to say, pretend are expecting by doing the same thing to have different results. Right. Right? So how do I be? Here we are.

Okay. Here we are doing you see, still, look how you went again, going to the mind Mhmm. Thinking that the mind has the answers. The mind has never the answers. If they had the answer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Right. And you see that? Yeah. So just notice that perhaps this time around, the mind has no answer. K. So you're recurring to a different say, well, what is the answer? You see, the answer is that to which the mind appears. And in this case, the mind is appearing as doubt. So just notice that how much you have practiced being that full, that it seems to be difficult to be as certain as you truly are. Right? Mhmm. So in this moment, are you experiencing the doubt? You don't need to look for it, but are you experiencing for the doubt? I don't know what I'm experiencing. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's sort of it's it's not it's nothing. To the mind, it's nothing. To the mind is completely, there is nothing going on here. Yeah. Because you can only see you are just the habit is to see everything's via the mind. Right. So just just if you just notice that is the doubt is not here, at least for this moment. Unless you will recur to mind. You recur to mind. Check and see. There is more doubt. Yeah. I can tap right back into it. Exactly. Just notice how you said you can jump back right into it. So notice there is a choice. That's freedom. The choice to be what you are, certitude itself, or to be what you are not doubt. And then, Laura, does consciousness come in because you can catch it when it's in full flight? Like, you you notice it right away? And then Consciousness, you cannot catch it. Consciousness is just being aware of it. I I guess that's what I mean that we know So in this moment in this moment, Renee, are you conscious? Yes. Okay. Good. Mhmm. So that so can you be conscious of being conscious? Conscious or being conscious. I think I know what you mean. I'm not sure. Okay. You see, that is you see the the the the as that is what we are addressing here. Are you conscious of a thought? Who is the thought conscious of you? Wait a minute. I got to What do you say? I have a question. Are you conscious of the doubt, or is the doubt conscious of you? No. I'm conscious of the doubt. Okay. So that so that is conscious. Right? So because the doubt is now I have a question for you. Is the doubt conscious? Does the doubt knows that is a that is a that is a thought, that is a doubt? I feel like I'm supposed to say no, but I'm not sure. No. No. Don't you're not supposed to say anything. Oh. Just just we are we're in a laboratory. There is no right or wrong answers. You see? It's your the question is very simple. You are in the laboratory, you are consciousness, and there is a thought. So the question is, is that thought conscious of you, or you or are you the one who is conscious of the thought? I am conscious of the thought, but then when I look at when you ask, like, is the doubt conscious? The doubt takes in the data that it sees and

That's how it arrives at the doubt. Okay. So in another words, in order for you to describe it, it's because you are seeing it how it happens. Right? Correct. Okay. So what are you? Are you what you are describing, or you're that which is seeing it? I'm that which is seeing it. Yes. Oh, I've I've okay. Something just clicked. So, again, can you let go wanting to be controlled by that what you're seeing? Oh, that's good. You like that? Yeah. That that just really resonated. Can you say that again? Yeah. So, yes, the question was, are you that with your are you that which is seeing it, or you that which has been seen, that what you're describing? I am that which is seeing it. Yes. So can you let go wanting to be controlled by that which is by that what you're what you're seeing? Yeah. And you let go wanting to be controlled by a thing because at this moment, if you're seeing, it is a thing, isn't it? Right. So can you let go wanting to be manipulated, harassed by a thing? Yeah. And I do that by going to the source? You do that by simply being conscious. Being conscious. Okay. That whatever it is, that is aware of images that you can describe. Right? Aware of sounds, anywhere of sensation, like the sensations of the doubt. Yeah. Or like the thought that, oh my god. Maybe not. You see, when you when you when that arises, not only go along with the sound, notice the reaction of doubt. Mhmm. And notice that doubt couldn't arise if it wasn't because it's arising in something. It's total certitude. Only total certitude can differentiate something called doubt. Okay. That's why it feels so sharp. Right? Doubt feels very sharp. It's very clear. Yeah. Yeah. And, again, it's because perhaps it's arising, and whatever that is, there is total certitude. Okay. I I I think I So notice the choice, Renee. Just to be notice the choice to to go along with the doubt or to stay after with their doubt arises. Thirtitude itself. K. Okay. Thank you, Laura. Thanks. No. In the contrary, thank you, Renee. Thank you for sharing. I'd like some clarity. It feels like, wanting control is suffering, and then realizing control is peace. Like, freedom, peaceful power. It's more of a creative fun. Yes. The thing is it's only one single being, and that is the thing. That is we're open to to experience that, but that's what the theory. The theory is that what you are is one single being. So is there a second that you need to be that you're wanting control of is this only one single being. That's where you are and where you're in total control. That it cannot be comprehend at the level of food. It's impossible. Because wanting to comprehend it is wanting to put in in the ocean into a drop. So what you are when you don't call the one thing, what is resting is what already here, unlimited control. Infinite control. With uncontrolled, yes. Of course, I can. Yeah. That will be nice. And the and the and the reason that when when we're releasing about something that we would like to have, right, what we're releasing is the lack of conviction. But, yes, that will that that is enough to say yes. That's what I would like. Wow. Yes. The lack of conviction. If we just keep it that simple, that's it's very practical because you can apply from in your daily life because it's about letting the truth be where you arrive to the center of what you are. It's your ultimate control. Our ultimate love, imagining that we're not.

So what we're letting go is wanting to imagine that to keep it simple. That's why we have to A thought comes, oh, it doesn't feel like that. I mean, that sounds nice, but it doesn't feel like that. Okay? Good. Look look at that sensation and see where does that come from. From impatientness, angry, and then, what is that? What is that coming from? Wanting to control or needing to wanting approval or wanting security? And is is there there's a difference between, wanting to change and having a preference to create differently? Are those different It it doesn't matter what is preference or not preference. You write your intention. This is what I would like. Okay. Now because that now invites you to challenge the the the the the the time element that only belongs to to the the field of thinking. What we are is timeless. It's in the field of thinking that the the concept of time arises. That's right here because we're open to what we are the best we can. Some of us naturally are sensing that something is loosening up at the chest area, but something is not naturally passing because you are being timeless. You are not giving it a time to take its shape, the shape of unblessingness, the shape of sadness, the shape of angry, the shape of lust. Actually, I feel that everything is wanting to control. You want to control security. I mean and that is what's interesting when Lester when you when you hear from him, we say, oh my goodness. All of a sudden, I realized that I wanted to control the insect. I wanted to control the walls. I wanted to control the country. I wanted to control the plants. I wanted to control nature. I wanted to control everything. Control the weather. Control when you're a freak, a controlled freak, there is not enough things for you to control. I understood this conceptually, but today, it's clicking more like a Okay. Yep. So so here. So just yeah. When in doubt, perhaps you're wanting to control. You know, and just oh, I mean, we won't risk that the Internet is not fast enough. It's like wanting versus realizing Yes. How different they are, the two. Yes. Yes. Really open again to the possibility that they're wanting. You may feel somehow that it's just it's just a sensation. Not real. But it's really sad that I'm consciously identifying with it. So just for this moment, Cassie, can you let go wanting to do that? See? Wanting to practice that. See? That already is okay. Already has its effect. Wow. Thank you. Yes, Kat. So I quit my job. I'm wanting to make it small, the wanting security. It's it's crossed my mind when going over options. I could just move into a tent and abandon my bills, But I'd I'd that's very limiting. I'd rather it would feel better they, like, credit card companies trusted me to pay them back. I would rather not limit I don't know. I'd like to, like, release security, wanting security. Yes. Yes. So it's it's there. It's not what's alive wanting security. Right? Wanting safety. You see? Now that what is wanting safety is just that pure wanting. At least we don't just I'm inviting you to see to sense it, to see it because it's this sense of wanting that is apparently covering the certainty of what you already are. That's where the guaranteed is. Since we spoke about that, in the certitude, that that doesn't change. So all this wanting, is there, so simply open your attention to this to certitude, To that, it doesn't change. Waking, see, that can be natural. Sometimes it takes one minute, two minutes, an hour, and it's it's it's a because you are not any longer going along with the wave of wanting. You are now letting it be what is, the mechanism. And it's this wanting that is blind us to see, that is arising in that which is already the source of everything, even the source of wanting. In the sense of wanting, it just it's a rising force. The sense that we don't have what we would like to have. It feels like that. Not having what you would like to have. So what Now all of that is is not true, is a lie. But somehow it feels like it is true because we have endowed it again and again. Now this time, the difference is you are not any longer voting for it. It's

good for you to listen that what we are is ultimate security, ultimate security. What you're experiencing is a lie, a feeling that says, we don't have it. We need it. We need we want it. As you want, maybe, experience, as you're getting the rising, you want to live experience. Is actually the sense of lack. And that is is an is an unpleasant sensation. But if you really allow it and just open to that, it passes no matter what what it does. It passes. It does. It does. And that is when, you know, in in the those who are familiar with the lesser teachings, we have different levels of energy that in order to release the fear in the sense of light, you need to be encouraged. Courageous. And that's what I'm sensing with the courage because we have whatever is arising, we have believed it for so long. That feels kind of radical. You know? Yes. If it's helpful for you, Keisig, now that you're allowing this, tendency because it's a tendency of wanting to be only that, a tendency to truly have because sometimes it needs to to have very glitzed. You know? What I am is total security. You see? I am life is a case. I'm very taken care of. My safety is perfectly guaranteed. You see, to have this, to let know the the the the mind because the mind is a very good creator. It's the best as let's do use to put it in these words, the perfect the only creative tool of the universe. So to be the north to the mind. You see? So, yes, I allow happiness to shine. You see, but you are not writing it any longer, wanting it. You're writing it, making it clear. Very different. You're not asking. You're ordering. Yes, Casey. Nothing needs to change to be already what you would like to get to be. Nothing. No. Even the sense of wanting because you're not any longer going along that riddle. See? Because the sense of mind feel that, well, first, that needs to be ended in order for that. It needs to happen first for p to follow. Yes. What is being said right now is just for a demonstration of the unlimited freedom that we truly are. You see, guessing, experiencing that is arising on you It's the Buddha experiencing. Because the way I see the beautiful example of the Buddha according to my direct experience is that as long as we keep dreaming that we are a sense of separation, We always feel within us the sense of wanting to improve. Everything wanting to improve, wanting to make it better, wanting to make it more or less, always wanting to improve. And in the case of Buddha, he was such an old soul, such an old soul that he had improved having the perfect body, the perfect parents, the perfect situation in the world, circumstances like the perfect kingdom, therefore, the perfect musicians, the perfect food, the perfect, people that love him, the perfect child, the perfect wife. Everything was perfection. The perfect sunsets, the perfect, equinox, so to speak. Everything. He didn't leave a single detail. And here that he was at a young age, a door magnificent and experiencing yet unsatisfaction. Because that's what we're experiencing. If we let it if we knew that it's only a dream, and it is the way it is, you say, oh, I how interested, but we don't let it be because we are somehow wanting to be different than the way it is, which is fine. That's what is arising. So in this case, for him, it was very easy to let go of everything. That For some people, say, how did he let go of the kingdom, his family, his child, the royalty, everything, and went into to roam the mountains? And as he started to visit the gurus within in the gardens, he started to experience that when we are when while he was with the guru, he felt it felt fine. It felt peaceful. It felt complete. It feels like what is the problem? But then between gurus, so to speak, leaving one guru to go to the next. This time, instead of when they they want sense of wanting a rose, instead of going walking faster to meet the guru and get relief of that sensation. He saw it for what it was. A mechanism, a tendency to desire in order to experience that satisfaction. In this time, you could see there was a sunny day according to the story, that as soon as he saw a tree with a beautiful shade, he sat with a clear intention, I'm not going to get up until the sensation is over. Because in this case, he's he completely saw that it was only a sensation that kept come coming and going. It's interesting because Lester's never

associated it. Lester used to say, if we will sit with the decision, I'm not going to get out into being where I am. It will be so. Somehow, we say, oh, yes. And then we go. But some of us have have whatever it is because it's it's grace. We're feeling very invited. So yes. I I really feel that in for the modern days, this era, the example of the Buddha is a very practical example. Because we have beautiful example. Example of Krishna. This example of Jesus. Example of Buddha. And those three examples have helping us directly and directly in discovering more and more what we are. We'll be more and more open to the openness that we are. What we are, whatever that is, if you try to find the beginning of it, it's beginningless. It's still trying to find the end of it. It's endless. Eternal. Just now simply allow yourself to consciously be. What is releasing? One could say that releasing is relaxing. Relaxing the sense of holding on for dear life. The sense that if we let go to a little too much, everything could fall apart. So we are constantly holding on for dear life, and releasing allows you to loosen up the tension, the contraction that we usually feel in the area of the chest. Aloha. That was beautiful. Thank you. So if there is any comment or any clarification or question or anything that you would like to share? Well, I just I'm on a precipice of a lot of change in my life, and so I'm, yeah, any direction and assistance that I can get from others, I'm always grateful. Is this your first time? Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Well, What is your intention? You say that you're going through changes in your life, but what is your if you if you feel like you are in the ship in the middle of in the middle of the sea, what is the direction that you are giving to that ship? Or what is the direction that you would like that ship to go to go? I I'm not exactly sure what that looks like, you know, as far as direction, but I wanna be embodied. I wanna be past my past. You know what I mean? I I No. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm I'm not assuming anything. You have to tell me. Okay. Past my past meaning for me that I've come from a life of severe abuse and PTSD and, Okay. So that is the story, but I'm not I'm not asking you about the story. I'm asking you about what is that you would like to experience. What is your what is your intention? I guess, to be fully embodied. It's really to be who I am underneath all the story. Okay. But I I I don't not sure who and what that is or, you know what I mean, what direction that is exactly because it's The direction is within. Right. That's it. It's very simple. Open to the possibility that what you are is all there is, that what you are is that which in this moment is hearing, is hearing through the body, but it's also that is hearing the inner voices in your mind. That is what you are. That which is hearing through the ears and also doesn't need the ears in order to hear. That is what you are. It's the most intimate sense of intimacy. Also, what you are is that which is seen through those physical eyes at this moment, and it's also that sees the pictures in the wind. So be interested in that, which is effortlessly hearing, effortlessly seeing, and also effortlessly sensing the body. Effortlessly welcoming the body, the room around the body. So that's what you are. It's it's all there is. It's nothing else. To a stillness, there is no direction. A stillness is omnipresence. And you are the centerless center of this infinite, stillness. Where is free already? Nothing is to change. So simply allow yourself the best you can, only the best you can, to honor it. And you're honoring it when you relax your attention. Thank you. Thank you. Tell me what is that your, can you say in your own words? Because the same thing here. I I I I I grew up in a home that I love. I love and I still love the magnificent example of Jesus.

I love him. I love what he loved. I love what he loved. It's hard because I it was pretty, I grew up in a Christian home and so and I like you, I loved it. It saved my life. It it was my refuge for a not otherwise wonderful childhood. And it's really been in the last couple years that I've been had my mind kind of blown open by all of this, you know, these new spiritual teachers that I'm just thinking, oh my gosh, I've lived in a box my whole life. And yet it's also kind of scary because there are aspects that I still struggle with, wondering if they're evil or dark in some way, and then I'm gonna open a a realm that I can't close or or it's just that that teaching that I've had for fifty years saying that's evil and that's wrong. Run away. Only Jesus. Only Jesus. And I love Jesus. Absolutely. Absolutely. No. But all of that is wonderful. It's wonderful. You are not giving up Jesus. I mean, Jesus is one of the most beautiful masters, examples of the world, Example of pure love. Pure love. And like Jesus, a beautiful example of the Buddha and a beautiful example of Krishna, a beautiful example of the people that you may have come in touch with that have written beautiful messages like Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta. These beautiful beings in so many that we don't know about at all. You see? But they are sitting in silence emanating the magnificence of love to the rest of us. So you see? So what you are, what arose, what yes. What is arising in your becoming aware of is the foundation of the belief systems around the idea of of of a religion. You see? Because Jesus was free. He didn't he didn't create a religion. In the contrary, he was against religion. And then a beautiful example of that fact is what we have heard because I again, I grew up in with nuns all my life until I finish the high school. So is that when he enter into the temple with fury and dismantle all this selling of the animal for sacrifices, etcetera, etcetera, In that moment, what he did is that he declared war to the religious authorities of the time because he didn't believe in religion. He under he understood religion for what we see at a dogma, a dogma to control people. That's right. His meetings were always in nature and the open spaces, or they were in friend's houses. You see, he was never going to an institution to have he never had an institute called Jesus teachings or anything like that. You see? But we as humans, you know, we create all this dogma and religions, you see, for whatever reason. But the beauty is that it when the truth is truth, it's eternal. So when he said, I am the way, that is pure truth. So the difference is when you see it from the point of view of being a Christian, so to speak, you think that Jesus, the body mind Jesus is the way. But what he said is, I am the way. The I there, the I here, the I everywhere. The single I. And it's not to believe. It's to open to the possibility that I is the way. That's right. The master question. The question that as Robert Adam said is protesting to become aware of that question. Is the question, what am I? So what is beautiful, Cherry, is that you're not interrupting the love in your heart for the example of Jesus, What you are not any longer going along with is with all the concepts about what is good and what is bad, what is right and what is wrong, all the rules and guidelines. Because when you are what you are, you don't need rules or guidelines. Because what you are is pure love. And love always acts from integrity, from harmony, from generosity. Yet, intelligence, clarity. So smart. Thank you. Yeah. To be where you are, you don't need to learn anything. In the contrary, Keep it simple. And the simplicity is I am the way that I that intimacy of the I, and invite Jesus to accompany you in your new in your new opening to the light of love. The intimacy with Jesus is beautiful. He invites you to recognize the omnipresence of what we are. It's a practical guideline. When you're feeling it, any sense of insecurity or, you know, nervousness or intimidation or tension. Think I. Yes. Welcome. And just for this moment, only for this moment, and the best you can. And you're doing the best you can if you allow yourself to be free from memory, free from preconceived ideas, free from everything you think you know. And that's when you're doing the best you can. So, again, only the best you can, and just for this moment, could you open to the possibility that whatever that is that you might be looking for or desiring or

seeking? Is already here. Right here. And that this here is already open. Unlimited, Whole, complete, all knowingness. Infinite. Intelligent, already naked. And it it is in this nakedness. In and on which we experience or arises the experiencing of a mind, a body, a world. And this open, unlimited here becomes obvious. The moment you are not any longer interested or wondering. Into what we call thinking, feeling body sensations. So the moment we're not going alone, we allow ourselves to not to go along with those with the exercise of thinking, feeling, and sensing. Everything becomes what it is. Very light arising in this openness that you are. So this is the fear theory. So let's see, for instance, at this moment, whatever you might be hearing or sensing, Could you let it be story free? In another words, don't go into the wondering of the story about whatever you might be hearing. Like, yeah, the story or whatever, since you're coming from the sense of memory, whatever the memory might be telling you about whatever you're hearing. In this case, whatever sounds are arising in the surroundings. So The invitation that I might that I that I'm trying to convey is that you're allowing yourself to stay as the openness, the moment when perceptions, in this case, sounds, arises, and you allow it to be story free. And when you do that, you are not practicing wandering, wandering in the realm of mind. Because when we are wandering, we are looking away from that in and on which the experiencing of wandering arises. And we have the tendency to make this wandering very personal. We make a personal story out of it. So in this moment, allow yourself let's go away from whatever sounds we're hearing in the surroundings, and allow yourself to remember a place, a person, or a thing. And the thing can be an object, a a project, or something related to the body. That you usually find yourself wondering about. It can be anything. Also, the thing can be a daily activity. So simply notice whatever arises in the openness of your experiencing. Notice that whatever arises are images. It may have some sounds or comments about it, or you might have experienced some, and see whatever feelings or sensations compels is compelling within you, whether it's in a sensation pleasant or unpleasant or neutral. Yes. Whatever is arising, let it be the best you can story free. Simply see those pictures, sensations, or sounds. And notice that in this moment, you have the choice to go along with that. Or to rest as the openness. This openness that is already naked. Unlimited. Receptive yet untouched. And notice that when you exercise, the only choice there is, which which is to be what is actually here or to go alone. Whatever that is that tells you otherwise, See what is experienced. Notice what is experienced. Is it natural natural if for some of us we're feeling an effortless discharge of energy or simply a movement of energy. Doesn't have to be fast, slow. It's irrelevant. For some of us, it's very spontaneous, just gone. For some of us so it's that is irrelevant, as I say. Because the moment we're making relevant, we're getting involved in it, we're wandering within it. We're using it to wander. And wandering is one of the exercises we use to stay in that which is not. To be involved with thoughts, feelings, sensations. So simply notice this activity that we do automatically or subconsciously, the sense of wondering. But even that if sometimes we don't see thoughts or feelings, we still localize at the what at the area that we call the mind, and that it is because we're open to wonder and we're subconsciously wondering. So simply notice it. So again, well, being here in what is actually here, that whatever that is that is already open, allowing for experiencing to arise. Again, allow yourself to think about a place, a person, or a thing that is demanding a lot of your time, is demanding a lot of attention. Like, for instance, this needs it needs to be finished, it needs to be done, I don't like it, it's it's not falling into place, it needs work. Whatever that is that it feels that is demanding. And simply notice whatever arises in your experiencing. Whatever pictures, sounds, or sensations about it. Sensations about I'm patient, liking it, disliking it, wishing it was different, So, yes, welcome all of that as well. And whatever is arising, just for this moment, simply notice the openness. And welcome the sense of wanting to be controlled or manipulated by whatever is arising on you just for this moment. And, again, notice that when you choose to

rest as that which is allowing for all of this to be experienced. Whatever is arising is naturally and effortlessly dissolving, collapsing. Now while resting at this openness. Yes. Let's do just once more before. Just one more, whatever that is that is always demanding for your attention, whether it is impatience. Yes. Something that again, a place, a person, or a thing Can be the same thing or any other things, or person, or places. Some of us are always that we need to make a decision. That could be a thing. Welcome that as well if there is in any of you the sense of that the decision need to be made. So, anyway, welcome whatever arises in your experiencing. And simply notice how this openness is naturally welcoming, naturally inviting, allows for everything to effortlessly arise, effortlessly shows all the accessories for to be seen, to be heard, to be sent. So simply consciously notice whatever you are sensing, hearing, seeing, And remember that you have the choice to stay wandering with it Or to rest, that's the openness. That which is already wandering free. And he's wandering free because he's not doesn't need to be personal or impersonal to be. So just lastly, allow yourself to sense whatever you're experiencing as that's what you call the body. Usually, when one is very open in the chest area, when the front of what we call the body to what we call feelings, thoughts, we become naturally very aware of the back of the body. That becomes natural. And we see whatever we're sensing right now as the contact area between the back of the body and whatever is holding it. We see it as a line or as as a shape of a line between what we call the front of the body and the back of the body. If not, simply notice the con the contact area between the body and whatever is holding it, and notice the surrounding space in all directions. And notice that which is aware of the sensation. And notice that which is aware of being aware. That which is unlimited. The unlimited here. And simply notice if you have the tendency to go back to something small and called thought, called feeling, or location in front of the body. It's alright. Simply notice it, But notice that in and on which arises, and allow the attention to open. And simply notice that you have the choice to reside or to be with the attention in that what you call the body or with the attention in that in and on which the accessory called body arises. Yes. Simply if you notice making any effort, simply notice it. And rest as that which is effortlessly noticing, yet ever open. Ever here. And while directing, perhaps, your attention to whatever new images and new experiencing may arise within you as we continue. Simply open to the possibility that is all arising in this and that, whatever it is, that we experience as openness. Formless, unlimited. And can you open to the possibility that that is where the body focus called eyes appears. And, by the way, it's not that you're losing the sense of openness if you feel now more aware of the body focus the eyes. It's just that without noticing, you focus your attention into it. So simply remember the best you can your attention while you're allowing yourself to experience the eyes, the open eyes. So here we are. Actually, I if I have anything to share, it's quite different. So it may not be to the liking of anybody of everybody as it is. No speaking or helping to the idea of the individual to be or to learn or to know more or to get relaxed or to get high or to get a state or to get more understanding. Somehow, the message here has is different. So to to put in a few words, if it can be put in a few yes. What we really want is we don't what we really want and don't want at the same time is happiness. But that but no happiness momentarily happiness, feeling a high, feeling good about life, feeling someone feeling good about things or not good about things. It is actually what we truly truly want is the emptiness, and the emptiness is already here. Actually, the Emptiness doesn't sound so so parable to the sense of individuality because where the Emptiness is and is seen for what it is, already here, already perfect, already perfectly empty, is because emptiness is the absence of a need, the actions of a individual, the actions of a noir. So that's what we truly want, the actions of a me. And I've been actually exercising how to share this new experience. And, I will try to do my best because in the emptiness the emptiness is very immediate. The emptiness is, actually simple, the simplest thing ever. It is so, so simple that it's practically impossible to explain how simple it is because it is so simple. So I'm going to give you some theory the best I can, and then a brief exploration from the theory. And, the theory is that this emptiness, just perfectly empty, which is actually from what everything's arises, each and every thing

arises, It's apparently happening from moment to moment, and not even a moment. It's just it's apparently happening. That's all that is happening. This apparently happening And the the the the example that I can use to give an idea about how this boundless, unlimited happening is ever happening is using the example of the ocean. Like, there is one ocean, And there's one element to the ocean, water. And within that, we see their waves, their currents, yet storms. There's distance, immensity, emptiness. There's a surface. There's a text, and all of that is like ocean happening. It's this unity of this ocean happening. This underlying unity is the freedom of ocean happening. And if you were to dive in the depths of the ocean, you will experience the ocean happiness with that sense of boundlessness all around you. All around you. I mean, all around the body, includes the body, includes everything. It's just this ever boundlessness naturally, apparently happening. And just like ocean is life. One light, one love, unconditional, boundlessness itself. Like, in this moment, right here, there is the appearance of a conversation online. Is the appearance of you and the now? Is the appearance of it here and there, now and later? And all of this is simply happening. All of these are appearances just happening. So when we see an object, if you have an object around your surroundings that can be the monitor, When you see an object you're actually seeing light itself, unconditional love itself, the boundlessness of what is itself. And this also includes our favorite objects, the me. This me that seems to be separate from everything, that is also unconditional love. That is also boundlessness. There is not a me. There is no other. These are only appearances. These are only appearances, actually. That's all they are. In what right now, there might be an appearance that what is hearing or sounding in this appearance may sound conceptual. But that there is if there is something that resonates with what is being said. And this something that resonates is beyond the sense of the me and the sense of it, you. It's beyond the appearance of me and beyond the appearance of you. In that which resonates, it will shine through more and more when the sense of me naturally dissolve. Although, it is not necessary for that to happen because that is also an appearance that it is and it isn't. So this is this is the theory. Before we do any brief exploration into this non business. I am open to hear if there is any comment about what has been said so far. Well, if it's not, let's do a very brief exploration of what is being said. And the exploration will be to see if we can find boundaries or to experience the absence of boundaries directly. So sit comfortably, Relax your shoulders. Relax your hips. You can keep your eyes closed or open. And check and see. If your body is actually as bound as it appears. There may be an appearance of the body, but is it real? Then you as the skin. So you can see if you're confined when you end and the body begins. Or when your body ends and you begin. Is there even a you and there? Or could that be also in appearance? And then check to see if you can find where the body ends and the world begins. Is there actually a boundary between the body and the world? Or perhaps is it just one single boundlessness appearing of the world. Now direct the attention to thoughts. Now direct your attention to emotions, feelings, sensations. And what if the same thing is true about emotions, feelings? What if emotions is just energy emotion? Boundlessness itself. But just for this moment, check and see if you can actually find this when the emotion ends and the energy begins. Over the energy seems to end and emotion begins? Is there actually a boundary or boundaries? And are all these thoughts or sensations or tensions or contractions, are they appearing to you? Or they are just simply apparently happening to no one. Yes. Relax. Expectations generates tension. So relax the sense of expecting. And let's start to do what we're going to be doing, what looks as if we're going to do it or doing anything. And that is to stop looking for what you're not. And to look into what you are. So relax your shoulders. Relax your neck.

Relax your tongue. Relax your scalp. And simply relax the body into that which is holding it. And let's allow ourselves to experience the art of perceiving. Well, being the welcoming that you already are. And to do this exploration into the into what you are, Because what you are has no inside or outside. You can keep your eyes closed or open as this is only focal points of the body. But if you still are experiencing a division such as an inside, separate from the outside. So just check it out. For some of us, it's not the case. But if it is still for you, then see where the inside ends, and the outside begins. Or the outside begins or ends, And the inside begins. Now we're opening to the indivisible awareness that you are, That to which doesn't in which doesn't exist inside or outside. Allow yourself to sense. Or can you welcome the perception of hearing? Yes. Can you welcome hearing itself? Can you welcome whatever sounds you might be hearing? The sound of this voice, the sounds of the surroundings, the inner voices that you might be hearing, that you interpret as appearing inside the head? And could you welcome as well the silence? And as you do, would you welcome that which is aware? Aware of hearing, aware of sounds, aware of silence, yet, untouched. I'm affected. And while resting at this aware, indivisible, openness, could you welcome what we call seeing? And notice whatever images you might be perceiving, whether your eyes are open or closed. Whatever you might be seeing in this moment, even perhaps for prosommory of you, is the back of the eyelids with the reflection of light. Could just for this moment, could you see that as what it is? An image. And could you notice the space? The space that allows for any image to be seen, whether it is an image in your imagination or an image seen through the physical eyes. And can you welcome the awareness? That awareness that is aware of seeing, aware of pictures, aware of space, Seamlessly, yet untouchable. Now let's allow this indivisible openness, which is effortlessly aware, to include whatever we're perceiving at this moment as a body. Yes. Allow this space to open in all directions, taking the whatever you're experiencing as the body, taking that as an axis and to allow the space to expand. Remember, it's just allowing. It's not doing. What you are allows. And can you welcome that sensation in the body that we call the beating of the heart? And notice that when you see rid of it, yet, untouch. And could you welcome also one more sensation? That's what we call breathing sensation. And could you allow what you are, this openness, to breathe you, to use the pump of your lungs or the pump called lungs? Could you allow it to effortlessly breathe you? Yes. Now in this area where we experience these two sensations simultaneously, we usually experience also what we call emotions. Your body sensations with a sense of, yes, emotional charge, so to speak. So in this moment, simply welcome whatever or notice because you are welcoming already. Can you notice whatever you might be sensing in that area? Whether it is pleasantness or unpleasantness or discomfort. Or tightness? Tension? And whatever you might be experiencing, will you simply allow it as it is there? Can you also welcome the emptiness? The emptiness of the openness that you are. Some of us may be experiencing a loosening up. While some of us may be experiencing the opposite, tension, and not, whatever that might be, leave it alone. Open your attention. Be where you are. At least for this moment, the openness. That which doesn't need to focus into anything, to just be. Some of us might be perceiving what we label as fear. Yes. Now, if you're noticing that, leave it alone and open your attention. If some of us are perceiving movement of energies through the body, Fine, now that you notice it, but you also notice the stillness. And allow whatever you're perceiving as a body in this moment. To relax into that stillness, into the stillness. And just for this moment and only the best you can, Could you allow whatever you're perceiving as a body to be simply a very little part? Of the indivisible openness that you are. In other words, allow what you are, that which is aware, to be what is. Immense.

Actually, potential. Because what we are is so free. But if we will be only immense, you wouldn't have the freedom to shrink into the smallest little thing. So what we are is actually potential. And you are open to experience that potentiality When you start to see the dynamics of perceiving. Actually, to see the beautiful art that perceiving is. So resting as where you are. That which is aware of all perceiving. Could you welcome perceiving itself? And now resting as that to which all perceiving arises, let's ask ourselves a question. Actually, a question that Lester used to say, the final question that gets answer is, what am I? So he would say, why not to start with the last question? You you're in your chest area that is generating some kind of movement, yes, it's natural. Whatever you're releasing is only energy. The energy that is used to maintain that which is not real. The idea of separation. So let's ask let's continue with our quest. Which is in reference to that question. The question of what am I. So you could ask, what do we really know? What are we certain of? What are we really, really certain of? And what you're certain of is I exist. I may not know anything else, but I know for sure that I exist. Because here I am. So could you, softly and slowly, with a space in between for a minute or so. Repeat what you know for certain. I exist. Yes. To yourself. And while doing it, Allow whatever expectation arises to drop off while resting. In intimacy of the openness that you are. That which experiences experiencing is experienced. Yes. If you are doing it correctly, you can stop now. You can cease from the exercise. You do if you do it correctly, you will notice that I and exist are two different words. Two different sounds. Which the meaning brings you to the conclusion That I exist as I. So what is this I? What is this I that if I have a dream at night, I say I had a dream. And when I am awake, I say I am awake. This I is ever here. So what is this I? That is at all times. That is at all time existing, existing. Exist when I dream at night. And exist when I'm awake. So what is this I? This I is only a word. Therefore, a man made. And as man made this, it was what the purest sound that could find, to express, the intimacy. In and on which All experiencing is experienced. So I is the purest sound. To express the intimacy of the infinity that you truly are. You don't need to believe anything, because you already are. But simply open to the full discovery of this truth. And you are each time that effortlessly have the remembrance of what that sound, I, represents. So just for a minute, could you, without using the lips or using the vocal cords, could you slowly and softly repeat the sound I? Yes. You can stop now. And at your own rhythm, as effortlessly as you can. Allow the intimacy of your being that is right now effortlessly perceiving the body. And through the body. Allow it to open those eyelids if I has not already done so. And notice how seamlessly welcome the physical image sees seen through the physical eyes, naturally arises in the openness of where you are. Yes. If you're sensing that you're meditating or someone is meditating, I will suggest to stop the effort and simply relax. Simply sense if if you feel the need for meditating. If there is a need for meditating, could you see it for what it is? Efforting. So, one could say that meditating is stop to stop practicing effort. One could say that there is such a thing as conscious effort and unconscious effort. Unconscious effort we perceive it as what we label tension. So usually, we unconsciously hold on to tension in the area that we call the shoulders. So could you allow that sense of effort to stop just for this moment? And notice, whatever that is that is so relaxed that allow you that is allowing you to practice effort, to experience effort, or to experience tension. There are other areas that we practice unconscious effort, like the jaw, The eyes, around the eyes, The fingers in our hands. As well as our what you call the toes. So simply notice that in and on which this thing called effort seems to appear.

That whatever that is, that we unlocalize, and for free. That is luminous. Otherwise, we couldn't see or sense the effortless the efforting called tensions. So just for this moment, can you welcome the sense of wanting to hold on or not to hold on to to efforting, or to hold on or not to hold on to tensions. Also, in another unconscious effort is what we call thinking. So can you sense that effort that you call the thinker? And notice that the moment that you remember of that what you call the thinker, it feels like it's localized, like some kind of tension. So notice it as what it is, unconscious effort, and simply open to see that in and on which that seems to appear. Whatever that is that we're experiencing as effortless openness, spaciousness, Shape free or formless. Now it is natural natural that the moment you stop the best you can as you are, when you stop practicing efforting, you may feel some movement, effortless movement that you might be experiencing what you call around the chest area. That is natural. And what that is is that that energy that you were using to effort then releases itself. Now in the chest area, some of us more than others, We seem to be more to be more aware of it. And that is in this area we sense, we effort, we practice the sense of effort by holding on to a contraction that feels very localized, like, I feel I am here. But it feels as a very as a localized here. So simply notice that sense of effort that you call tension in your chest. And notice that in and on which is arising, that which is surrounding it, penetrating it. Yet is effort free. Yeah. While allowing yourself the best you can the best you can to stop from practicing effort, simply notice what is actually here, that which can be aware of effort, if any, and be effort free simultaneously. Now simply notice if by any chance you're sensing the sense of boredom. If you are, could you see it for what truly is, effort? Boredom is when a when you when there is when there is when you're exercising the sense of a person wanting to meditate. That's right. It's you experience that what you call boredom. So, only if you are, allow all of that to be what truly is, only energy. Look through it and notice what is actually here. Now, the best you can, could you allow that, whatever it is that is actually here, to be all including. So allow yourself to consciously notice whatever you're experiencing as you what you call the body, the physical body. Whatever sensations you're sensing as that what you call the body, And could you allow this sense of effortlessness to penetrate, to interpenetrate the sensations and between the sensations? And could you allow all these physical sensations to be free from effort just for this moment? Could you allow all the sensation that you're sensing to melt into the effortlessness in and on which are being perceived, are being sensed? And can you notice that whatever you are sensing is simply happening? It doesn't require any effort. And could you allow whatever you're sensing to be like a a baby in the womb of the universe? This unlimited universe. And, again, just for this moment, the best you can while resting as this open effortlessness. Allow yourself to be, just for this moment, memory free. And while resting as this memory free, Let's consciously visit the imagined realm of memories. This series of memories that we call the story of my life. And see if there is anything at all about this series of memories that you call the story, if there is anything at all that somehow you would like it to be different, that you would like to change, that if you will do it all over again, You will do it very differently. And, simply notice whatever arises. Notice that whatever may arise are always either images, voices, inner voices, perhaps inner voice about what is arising, or reactions to it at the level of feeling. Maybe we feel more contracted or more tension. Whatever you might be sensing, just for this moment, let it be here and simply notice that in and on which all of that is naturally happening. And would you notice that you have the choice to be involved in with it or not? If you choose to not, then will naturally dissolve. Somehow it feels glowy or sticky. That is because you are unconsciously wanting to hold on to it. So can you welcome that sense of effort? And let it be what is, only energy. Yes. And while resting as this effortless memory free that is naturally inviting, allow yourself to remember anything about this series of memories that somehow still you want to you're holding on to because you want recognition, You want love. You want appreciation. And, see whatever this invites into your experiencing. And can you welcome the sense of wanting love, wanting recognition, wanting consideration, attention through this

memory. And, again, whatever is arising, simply allow yourself to look through it and notice what is actually here. That which have the freedom to imagine memories, yet is untouched and affected. Doesn't need memories to be. And just once more, allow yourself to remember those series of memories that you call the story of my life And see if there is any memory that you're either the same memory or any other memory that you might be holding because you feel that it defines your life, that it reminds you who that, yeah, that it defines you, that you feel that that is what you are. In another word, that you're making it very personal, very intimate, very special, including spiritual memories. And whatever is arising, could you just for now, can you welcome wanting to make it intimate, wanting to make it special, We need to make it personal. We need to make it about what you are. And again, simply while resting the best you can as this effortless, whatever that is. Would you let all that to just be what is, only energy? Notice the sense of effort of wanting to project what you call memories. We didn't realize it was an effort because it's an unconscious effort. Simply the best you can allow yourself to rest as that which is already effort free. Yes. And whatever that is that is arising and you're experiencing, sensations, sounds, or images, whatever that is, Again, simply look through it and notice what is actually here. And ask yourself the question, if I'm not that story. What is that in and on which arises? Just for the moment, could you simply rest? As that, whatever that is, which is simply here? Effortlessly, just here.